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Bally 1071-3 Troubleshooting
« on: January 08, 2016, 03:54:04 PM »
Picked up a Bally 1071-3.

Fluro lights come on when i flick the power switch to on.
The RED Pilot light never comes on. I have checked the bank of fuses behind the hopper and none are blown.
I am currently tracing the wiring to try figure out where everything is running. I haven't taken any voltage measurements on the transformer (Not sure which terminals are primary yet). The transformer appears to be in relatively good condition.

Has anyone seen this before? Have I missed something simple?
The reset button on the timer is pushed in.

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Re: Bally 1071-3 Troubleshooting
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2016, 04:51:17 PM »
Check the plug and the wire where it enters the machine underneath. I have seen intermittent problems there. Otherwise, I check the voltage from the bottom of the fuses or just check the continuity of each fuse in the holders. They do become bad from time to time. Then I will go back top the transformer if I dont see a problem there.
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Re: Bally 1071-3 Troubleshooting
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2016, 05:06:11 PM »
OK my mistake. I have traced the circuit further..

When the reset switch is in the off position the red pilot light comes on; the machine is then in shutdown. No line voltage allowed past reset switch.
Hitting the reset switch brings 240v back and the machine turns on again (and the pilot light off)..

 

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Re: Bally 1071-3 Troubleshooting
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2016, 05:35:43 PM »
Can anyone point me towards a pinout for the transformer terminals and what voltages they are meant to be?
It is running on 240v.



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Re: Bally 1071-3 Troubleshooting
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2016, 08:36:22 AM »
a picture of the transformer would be nice and I will tell you what wires are what voltages

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Re: Bally 1071-3 Troubleshooting
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2016, 02:24:52 PM »
Your output voltages should be coming from the secondary of the transformer:
solid blue, and solid yellow 6VAC
solid orange and solid yellow 50VAC
The EM's do not have a Ground, the ground is considered the return or solid yellow wire at the center output of the transformer.  None of your voltages should go to case ground, all circuits should be isolated from case ground.  The only ground you should have to case is the green ground wire from your line voltage coming in.
If your output voltages 6 and 50V are either half that, or double that (12V for blue and 110V for orange), then you will need to change the input wiring to your transformer.  You should find that in the free download EM manual at the bottom of ovenguy10's posts.  Nauseous, Love the name, been there often.  Are you out of country in a 240V environment?
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Re: Bally 1071-3 Troubleshooting
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2016, 09:40:04 AM »
See attached photos of transformer and wiring diagram.
Hope this helps.

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Re: Bally 1071-3 Troubleshooting
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2016, 03:11:16 PM »
That is awesome, thank you all very much for the information!
I am in Australia; so yep 240v is our standard for power transmission.

Will be back with an update soon.

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Re: Bally 1071-3 Troubleshooting
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2016, 03:48:17 PM »
OK I am getting ~59v AC and ~6.9v AC on the secondaries. So that's a good start. I suspect an older machine like this is pretty tolerant so unless someone says otherwise those voltages aren't a major cause for concern.

I think the machine has been setup to not payout; ultimately I want to get it accepting slugs and paying out again. The hopper was included with the machine when i purchased it but it wasn't installed (sitting beside it).

The few things I can see straight away from looking at it:
1 - Slug mechanism removed and slug chute missing.

2 - Plunger removed from coil making in-operative.

3 - Wiring on reel mech...


When powering the machine up it doesn't do anything from what I can see (apart from fluro's) no insert coin lights etc. I have yet to power up with the hopper installed (waiting rebuild).
What do you guys think, has it been setup for free spins without payout perhaps? Or do I need the hopper installed for all the circuits to be completed.
I haven't tried to engage the handle and trigger the reel mechanism as yet. According to the manual I should see the coin input light up, which I'm not getting. But that could be as simple as a blown bulb..

Back with more soon.
 
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Re: Bally 1071-3 Troubleshooting
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2016, 04:01:11 PM »
the voltage is fine and yes you need a new aremature for the handle release the wires on the real machine go to the counter coin counters

would be nice if I knew what to 1071 was post a picture look for the machine

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Re: Bally 1071-3 Troubleshooting
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2016, 04:11:09 PM »
I should be able to scavenge an armature for it from some pinball parts i have here. Could you perhaps post a photo or two of how the armature is held in place so I can replicate something.

As for the machine; I found it on the east coast of Australia by chance. The seller had it for at least 20 years (so he said) - OK condition I guess it didn't see much rain or moisture which is good.
It is plated as being made in Dublin.

Once I get it working internally I will clean up and restore it as best possible.


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Re: Bally 1071-3 Troubleshooting
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2016, 04:21:05 PM »
The manual gives an exploded view. A photo of how it looks would also be handy.



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Re: Bally 1071-3 Troubleshooting
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2016, 04:26:42 PM »
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Re: Bally 1071-3 Troubleshooting
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2016, 04:28:43 PM »
yes the manual is a must have if you don't have one on the bottom of my post is a place to look and they have them for free to download

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Re: Bally 1071-3 Troubleshooting
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2016, 04:31:06 PM »
How about getting parts for one of these guys. Sure would make life a lot easier if i could source an armature + related parts and a coin chute.


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Re: Bally 1071-3 Troubleshooting
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2016, 04:37:16 PM »
I have a lot of all of those parts but I am in the process of moving 2500 miles at everything is boxed up you might try CV slots I know he has a lot of EM parts and there are several other vendors on the vendor list that do carry some Em parts


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Re: Bally 1071-3 Troubleshooting
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2016, 05:13:04 PM »
I went out to the shop I have for 5 more of those here if you need one I don't know how to send it to Europe but I can figure it out

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Re: Bally 1071-3 Troubleshooting
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2016, 05:16:23 PM »
if you look at the diagram you posted on the right side part number 22 with the real machine in the hopper in if you lift up on part number 22 and see if the Insert Coin light comes on

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Re: Bally 1071-3 Troubleshooting
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2016, 06:13:32 PM »
Thanks for the help ovenguy. Certainly interested. I am in Australia; have used USPS in the past without hassle.

I will send you a PM.

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Re: Bally 1071-3 Troubleshooting
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2016, 06:57:43 PM »

I suspect something else has been removed from the handle mechanism because at the moment the handle is not locked by default (I can pull the handle freely with the machine turned off).
What should i be checking for now, a stopper arm or something has been removed perhaps ?

 

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