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Reef Tank
« on: January 06, 2015, 08:06:44 PM »
This past year i finally got around to setting up a mini reef tank.  I used to have a large 75gal saltwater tank but lost it all to a overnight die out.  Always want to get into corals.  I decided to start with a 14gallon Biocube, like slots, you start with one and keep expanding.  The good thing  with a 14 gallon is its self limiting. 


Heres some pics of the tank, corals and fish.  The clowns have hosted with the xenia coral.  They both sit in the middle of it all day long. 
I also have a variety of snails, crabs, mini stars and one peppermint shrimp to help keep it clean and healthy.


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Re: Reef Tank
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2015, 08:08:22 PM »
In this shot you can see the arms of a tiny brittle star behind the coral

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Re: Reef Tank
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2015, 08:16:41 PM »
White anemone crab i picked up a few weeks ago. 

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Re: Reef Tank
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2015, 08:22:39 PM »
The crab is very cool..... :cool_thumb_up:  Nice tank .... :yes: :yes:

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Re: Reef Tank
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2015, 08:35:02 PM »
Thanks,  yes he is cool looking.  He's a filter feeder,  and sits in the currents waiving his mouth parts, they look like fans. 

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Re: Reef Tank
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2015, 08:38:13 PM »
Crabs are very entertaining to watch in tanks!  :yes:  Same with shrimp! I haven't had a tank set up for years now, but still miss it. A salt tank is just no comparison to a freshwater tank. After a saltwater tank, a freshwater tank just seems so dirty and stinky (to me at least, but that could just be stemming from memories of neglected fishtanks as a kid though!).


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Re: Reef Tank
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2015, 10:43:42 PM »
I liked the Jelly fish in the will smith movie 7 pounds.
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Re: Reef Tank
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2015, 11:41:18 AM »
Nice coralline you got growing.  Good to see another marine enthusiast in the forum.  I aquaculture clownfish from time to time to have the hobby be self-sustaining, although sometimes I don't think it actually pays the feeding bill, but I tell my wife that.  :propeller:

I had a nice frag tank going until I went away for a week and came back to a non-functioning pump and all the corals sad and droopy.  Lost most of them, only a few large polyps, a frogspawn and xenias survived.  I'm hoping the remaining xenias colonize a big rock again.  Here's a picture of the surviving frags now in a soon to be growout tank for clownfish.  Also a picture of my 6 year old Emperor angel.  Bought him as a 1.5 inch juvenile and he has matured and still growing.  Now at 8 inches, I hand feed him every morning before I leave for work.  The third photo is my current clownfish growout tank.  All of them are between 2 and 2.5 years old. About 160 or so left.
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Re: Reef Tank
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2015, 12:10:19 PM »
Nice setup for both of you.  I had a saltwater setup for years with 2 disasters.....one time I left for a vacation put my duaghter in charge of feeding.  She turned off the pump to make it easier to feed and forgot to turn it back on.  Lost most of the fish.  Then the second disaster was while I was home, I hear a loud popping noise and rushed in to find the pump on fire.  That was the end for me.  I never thought the pump would catch on fire but I was lucky....if I wasn't home it could have burned the house down.
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Re: Reef Tank
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2015, 02:00:28 PM »
Very nice! Darn you guys!  :hissyfit: :hissyfit:  Now I've got full-blown "tank envy" and want to get another set-up....just a "little" one, lol...It never seems that 1 is ever enough though, for the different purposes and mix of critters! Nothing sweeter than a clown fish wiggle though!



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Re: Reef Tank
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2015, 09:01:50 PM »
Thanks guys for the compliments. 


Losing a tank sucks and costly.  I do love having a reef tank.  I feed at night around 9 and i love sitting in front of it and checking things out.  The best part is finding new things growing and moving about. 


Heres a closeup of a tiny black snail i found yesterday on a frag.  I found that using the camera from my ipad works awsome to zoom in and get a closer look at things.   


Heres a few more shots of coral.  Some of the ones towards the top are very hard to photo with the reflection. 


How do you get the clowns to reproduce?  My pair is very close but i haven't found any eggs.  I did have snails laying eggs for a while and have a few babies crawling around.  It be great to see something develop but idon't  know if they would survive, id have to add a refugium to place them in and my tank just isn't big enough for that.  Do yours keep multiplying in that tank?  Do you sell them to feed the addiction?


I was at my local fish store earlier to see what they have.  Id like to add a Goby and Pistol Shrimp pair to the tank.  After that i am capped for fish.  I like the candy cane pistol, just need to pick a good looking Goby that will stay on the smaller size.   


I tried a sexy shrimp last month, it lasted about an hour before my red hermit killed it and ate it.  Nice $9 meal for crabs. 


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Re: Reef Tank
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2015, 10:31:54 PM »
The clowns reproduce when they feel conditions are right. Typically they need to be around 4 years old, but my pair were in a 125g display tank for over 8 years before they started to breed.  You can't really induce them, but it helps that they are alone in your reef tank.  Once they start laying eggs, they are like machines, every 2 weeks they spawn.  Unfortunately for me, my male jumped out of the tank and I found him dried up the next morning.  They had spawned regularly for about 6 months.  I had well over 11 batches that were good.  On a new pair, you typically don't bother with the first 4 or 5 as the quality of eggs is not all that good, and the survival rate is predictably bad.  I raised 5 of those batches, and ended up with well over 400 mature clowns before I started selling them.  My female died of old age about 3 weeks ago. She had been with me for around 14 years.  When I start to breed them again, I'm going to secure a pair of snowflakes or platinum clowns as they fetch a higher price and it is the same amount of work.  Raising clowns is not easy, and does not happen without much intervention.  Clowns in nature have a pelagic stage right after they hatch.  They basically float up to the surface and live amongst plankton feeding for about 7 days and then they go through a metamorphic phase that lasts about a day.  They go from basically being a transparent looking tadpole about 2 mm in size, to a miniature clown in about 8 days.  This pelagic stage is what takes the most work.  You have to duplicate the planktonic environment by maintaining a culture of zooplankton (typically rotifers) and of course you need to feed your rotifer culture (usually greenwater full of phytoplankton)  so they can reproduce and you can maintain a ready food source, which the clowns will require for the first 5 to 6 days of their lives before you can move them to newly hatched brine shrimp.  A lot of people have clowns in their tank the spawn all the time, but raising them is another story.   I nature the survival rate of clowns that hatch is less than 1% due to predation.  My workflow is able to produce a survival rate of 65% from hatchilings to clowns that pass metamorphosis.  Here are a few photos.

1.  Eggs about to hatch
2.  Newly hatched less than 1 hour old.
3.  6 days old, before metamorphosis.
4.  8 days old, just after metamorphosis, you can see the orange color and some have a headbar (about 1/8 inch)
5.  2 Weeks old (a  bit less than 1/4 inch)
6.  1 Month Old (about 1/2 inch)

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Re: Reef Tank
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2015, 10:25:51 AM »
Wow Rick, I am seriously impressed!  :hail: :hail: :hail:  You have the science nailed on what it takes to breed clowns. Have you ever thought of breeding other fish? And do you have any problems selling them when they are ready? And, if you dont mind me asking, do you sell direct to retail stores or wholesale to distributors?


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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2015, 11:34:27 AM »
I sell them to local petstores, I can get a bit more that way for them, although I can't sell like 100 at a time, most of the time like a dozen or so.  I've bred several other types of freshwater fish during my lifetime, most notably Turquoise Discus, Panda Discus, and  Powder blue discus.  Those are some pretty cool fish to see rear their young, and I got at the time like $20 per about dollar sized fish.  I also bred freshwater angelfish, Siamese Fighting fish (Bettas), pearl scaled gouramis, guppies, mollies, swordtails, platy's.  The later 4 are pretty much self breeding as they are livebearers and you only have to take them out of the fish tank and require no special care other than smaller sized food.  At the time I was breeding most of these tropical fish, they were for the experience, as I was in my late teens and early 20's.  The discus were in my late 20's as they require quite a bit of care and maintenance in order for them to breed and rear, and I didn't have the patience when I was younger.  The clownfish started by accident when my pair began to spawn, then I just learned by fire, my first 2 attempts were utter failures with no babies making it through metamorphosis.  The 3rd batch I was able to raise about 30% and it got better as I refined my workflow.  Clowns are an easy sell, because I sell them below the wholesaler's and have never been exposed to any kind of disease, so they don't even have to be quarantined when sold.  I do tell the aquarium store to place them in an isolated tank that is not plumbed to the rest of their stock, as fish from the wild carry all sorts of parasites and what not.  Discus were not quite an easy sell because most people with freshwater aquariums do not invest $40 retail on a fish, so most of the time I sold to wholesalers.  In fact most freshwater aquarium stores don't carry discus because their water parameters are quite unique as they live in acidic water, while most other tropical are neutral to alkaline, this makes it a bad community fish, even though I consider them to be the most beautiful freshwater fish, not a fish for beginners. 

The pictures below are more or less what they looked like at the size I sold them.  The bars disappear as the fish gets older as in the other photo and in a good mood, when they are stressed, the bars show up.


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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2015, 12:02:51 PM »
That is super interesting! I've never had freshwater (besides childhood tanks), but my grandmother kept a tank (Angels and guppies mostly) for years. I remember the guppies were very prolific breeders, as her tank would become overcrowded, and she would give them to any neighborhood kid who had a tank.


I must have got the commercial Mandarin gobies, as I never had issues with them eating at all. I never fed anything specifically for them, just a commercial blend, with some brine shrimp, spirulina, and feeder goldfish for the others. It's been so long, I forget who/what I was feeding the goldfish to. My main problem was I couldn't commit to one type of tank, and always wanted a mix of occupants who didnt always co-habitate nicely. Then I had a demonic Domino damsel that went berserk when he got about 3" and took over the tank...that little sucker killed my big Yellow Tang! I flushed the Tang down the toilet and it got stuck and plugged the toilet. Toilet had to be removed completely to get the fish out...to this day, I cannot tell you why I flushed the fish and didnt just toss it in the trash?!?  :Scratch-Head:
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Re: Reef Tank
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2015, 12:55:30 PM »
Wow Rick, some amazing stuff.  Ive also never had fresh water, never had any interest in the fish. 
Ive always stuck to saltwater.  I used to have a 200 gallon pool in my basement that was filled with local cold water salt that i would catch off the shores of Mass., RI and Maine.   
I had it setup for about 10 years and had schools of fish, most were killifish or silversides.  I had a few diff variants of gobies, sea-bass, i had a few small dogfish they are small sharks, eels, all types of crabs, even a couple small horseshoe crabs.  Clams, scallops( which are really cool if you see them alive.  They have blue eyes and actually right themselves up and swim around. 
I also had red and yellow anemones, sand dollars and urchins.  This pool was well established and had barnacles flourishing around the sides. 
I have all different types or nets and traps and would go to the shores at different times of the year to try and catch diff stuff.  Up here, if you hit the rocky beaches in mid winter you'll find the urchins, and sand dollars all over. They move to deeper colder water in the summer.  I would rotate out the creatures and fish at different times.  It was a fun project and cool to have a tidal pool in your house. 


I never got into the actually breeding of fish, its a lot of work and with my luck id end up with success and unable to get rid of them.  Maybe at some point my clown pair will mate if it does happen ill put you on speed dial. 


You do have a great slide show of the stages.  How big are your tanks?
Did you frag and sell coral before your tank crashed?


I may get into that since my stuff is growing really well with exception to two hard corals that recently bleached out on me. My alk dropped, over christmas due to my neglect.  Theres a lot of people in my area that sell in craigslist, i have one guy i deal with and his frags are generally in the 10-20 range depending.  I picked up that nice plate coral for $18 from him.  Its doing really well except it inflates and tries to move about. Sometimes its the size of a large orange.   


I had Mandarin gobies in my old larger tank and they are cool to watch but I'm looking to get a burrowing goby paired with a pistol shrimp.  Heres a few pics from the web of what I'm looking at.  I want them to have some good color and variations.  And hope that they choose a location near the front of the tank.  I have a good looking peppermint shrimp however he's always in and under the rocks.  You never see it unless its feeding time.


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Re: Reef Tank
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2015, 01:04:21 PM »
Jeff,
I meant to followup on your comment about the pump catching fire.  You are damn lucky you were home.  Thats a first for me, I've had pumps seize up but never fire. 
If you decide to get back into it, the Biocube like i have is a nice, clean enclosed design. And theres only one pump that cycles the water back into the tank and its submersed so no chance of fire there. 


My only regret is not going with the 29gallon as opposed to the 14G I have.

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« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2015, 05:08:33 PM »
Thanks, not sure I want to get back into it since my slots now take up the space.  For the time being the only tank I am keeping in pictured below.  Problem is I have to keep feeding the little critters coins.  LOL
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Re: Reef Tank
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2015, 06:10:30 PM »
Some pistol shrimps will hunt and kill other things.  You need to get either a candy cane or a tiger pistol, I'm partial to the candy cane ones.  As far as the goby is concerned, I really like Yellow Watchman gobies,
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Re: Reef Tank
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2015, 09:02:05 PM »
Hey guys, thought I add an update on the reef tank.  I lost a couple hard corals a couple weeks ago.   for some reason i had a big drop in calc and alk, the corals bleached out in a few days.  Everything else seemed to bounce back so i guess its better to loose a couple rather than the whole tank.  Oh and i lost my peppermint shrimp as well.  Ill probably choose something a little  different to replace it.  Id love a small arrow crab but they may bother some corals and would certainly kill off any feather dusters and tube worms growing thru out. 


Heres a pic of a mini star; i started with 3 that hitchhiked on some coral frags.  I would notice that they are odd shaped and missing appendages, for the longest time i thought one of the crabs or shrimp where eating them.  Turns out they multiply by separating their bodies and regrowing. 


In the other pic is my plate coral that has been doing amazing well.  That thing when closed up is  a little bigger than a silver dollar, its gotten almost the size of a grapefruit at times.  It inflates itself to grab the current and move around.  As you can see, it can be a challenge keeping it from crowding out the other corals. 


I still only have the two clowns.  They are very compatible    with each other and paired up nicely soI'm  hesitant to add another fish. 


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