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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2016, 01:29:36 PM »
Where do you live?
I think your board converted in factory to use non rechargeable lithium battery.
It doesn't charge battery.
Yo can put the small llithium battery  like in  PC.
I put my bally cr2032 lithium battery 5+ yers ago, an it's good now.

Did you checked powersupply otput voltage?
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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2016, 02:25:05 PM »
I think I found the problem.
The CPU is faulty.  2 Data lines are dead.  I will try to find a replacement.

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2016, 02:42:09 PM »
Try to cut the dead signals leg databus driver IC, this way can you check this is wrong or other IC.
Try replace data bus driver IC this is 74ls244 or 74ls255 , (if I remember good).

Its cheap.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2016, 10:34:49 AM by jancsi »
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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2016, 10:21:41 AM »
I've removed the CPU and did a check on the data lines.
I found a problem in one HC245.
I've replaced this and the CPU and now I have a different flash code.

Now it flashes 6 times.  Anybody with the list of what the flash codes mean?

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2016, 10:28:02 AM »
What type battery in your CPU?
NiCd NiMh  or lithium?
Battery voltage checked?
Did you make RAM clear?
It maybe flash display without RAM clear.
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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2016, 01:29:17 AM »
Battery is new Ni-Mh, fully charged at 3.7V.
I've also checked that I have 3.7V at the RAM chips when power is off.
Which chip checks the voltage level?  Maybe I have another chip faulty.


What might also be bad in my case is the location and setting of the jumpers.  What is the most usual jumper settings for these machines?
For example, in my case (see picture in me previous posts) there is no jumper in J7.  Perhaps during cleaning some fell off and / or placed in the wrong position.

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2016, 11:24:41 AM »
It's a foto of my Bally 5000+ spare CPU board.
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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2016, 07:43:56 PM »
Remove U23.... forever.

The jumper just south of the battery should be removed.
Let them that don't want any, have memories of not getting any.

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2016, 06:06:00 AM »
What about J7?

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2016, 06:17:23 AM »
my board:
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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2016, 12:05:27 PM »
OK, I'm getting somewhere ...

I found the list of flash codes which seems correct (I've tested the responces by removing the relevant chips):

1 Main EPROM Checksum error
2 Supplement EPROM checksum error
3 Personality EPROM checksum error
4 Volatile RAM read/write failure
5 NON-Volatile RAM read/write failure
6 NON-Volatile RAM error , Battery removed , ect.

My first problem was 4 flashes.  I've replaced CPU and U6 because D11 and D15 data lines were dead and inserted J7 which was missing and got 6 flashes.

Since my RAM chips are OK, the problem is related to RTC.  /CS line of U30 is stuck high.  If I force this low, the machine boots and I have now a proper error code "80" and 3 flashes.


Now off to find what blocks my RTC chip.

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2016, 05:55:12 PM »
The board will work without a RTC chip in it.
Let them that don't want any, have memories of not getting any.

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #32 on: June 26, 2016, 01:53:46 PM »
I could not work for long time on this project.
I've revisited a few days ago and made few more observations.


- Even if I remove the RTC chip I have the same error. 6 flashes and error 83.
- If I ground pin 1 of RTC chip (to enable it) I get different error: 3 flashes and error 80 -> which I read is personality EPROM checksum error.


Any idea if these EPROMs have a specific checksum?
I see
U3 has 00
U4 has B9
U12 has 00
U15 has AC
U18 has 40
U20 has C5


Now I believe there is a serious fault, either on the PCB or in one of the PAL chips.


Anyhow, a friend is visiting the states (UTAH) and I can give him the board.  Any suggestions on who might be able to check and fix it at a resonable price?


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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #33 on: June 26, 2016, 02:04:04 PM »
Your board does NOT use a rechargeable battery. It has been modified to use a Li Ion battery. If you put in a rechargeable battery it will never charge.

You must clear the board after a battery replacement.
Let them that don't want any, have memories of not getting any.

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2016, 12:55:36 AM »
I have installed a CR2032, but still can't pass the POST (flash) errors to get to a working state.
I get either 82, 83 or 80 as described in above posts.  And these numbers come on the "credit" display.
Unfortunately original battery has corroded the PCB and this could be one of the problems despite the careful cleaning and check.



And I've cleared the RAM chips manually using an external programmer.

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2016, 08:50:02 AM »
You have to do the jumper option to clear the whole board, not just the RAM.
Let them that don't want any, have memories of not getting any.

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2016, 11:37:11 PM »
Can you suggest somebody to look at my main board?


I tried to contact K-Lar - which is mentioned a few times in this forum but his email seems disabled.


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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2016, 11:48:03 PM »
Ha! Larry doesn't even own a computer. Call him, he doesn't use emails. If one needs to be received or sent he uses my email addy. His number is 702-363-9998.
Let them that don't want any, have memories of not getting any.

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2016, 08:14:04 AM »
I'm not in US and have no option for calling.

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2016, 04:51:36 PM »
I have instructed Larry to change the email on his website to my email address. His daughter, the IT expert, will make the change in the next couple of days.
Let them that don't want any, have memories of not getting any.

 

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