Author Topic: IGT Player's Edge Questions (Read 14216 times)

Ncovington100 · « **Reply #20 on:** May 02, 2016, 07:11:19 PM »

Thanks all, my spring was stretched out. Until I can find a replacement I made one with a heavy band. Great heads up on that spacer. I read something about this in the manual. My nickel us not. Overed ad far as the picture sent. Ok. Going to find and remove spacer, and possibly remove weight knob. Will let you know if it works. It is currently accepting about 2 or 3 out of 5.

rokgpsman · « **Reply #21 on:** May 02, 2016, 07:15:30 PM »

You can probably cut off some of the spring and form a new loop on the end, the tension is not that critical. Just as long as it keeps firm pressure on the nickel it should be ok.

I think you are on your way to a repaired machine, Jim's experienced eye came thru!

Ncovington100 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 03, 2016, 11:24:38 AM »

Ok, I have pulled out my hair on this one and have come to the conclusion that the comparitor is likely not working. I have the spring tension just fine now and did check for a spacer, I was not able to find one on my until and it looks just like the unit on the picture sent. the comparitor is covering a majority of the nickel and I have adjusted the set screw in a bit on the nickle guide (left corner) to allow for nickels being played to come through without jamming. Does anyone know where I could buy a new one and see if it would help me?I am getting at best 1 out of every five nickels to show up.

Additionally I have broken something while trying to resolve. Now none of my hold buttons work, I have ran through the self test and confirmed everything is working aside from the Holds 1-5. It appears I am making it worse here.

Jim · « **Reply #23 on:** May 03, 2016, 12:02:32 PM »

don't panic, you probably knocked off a wire from the switches, they are in series, so either end of loop I would check for a dangling wire. as for the coin comp. are the nickles going into the hopper and not establishing credit or are they being returned to the coin tray? if the hopper, the coin encoder is probably for a quarter and may be missing one of the optics, if the coin tray, try and shim out the rake and see if it improves, if it does then you probably need a different coin comp.

Jim

rokgpsman · « **Reply #24 on:** May 03, 2016, 08:00:46 PM »

Jim's right, the optic boards have spacing for their sensors that is often set for quarters. With the machine using nickels the smaller coin might not always be passing thru the optic boards at the right place so it can be sensed. Just something to check. Sometimes people place a guide made of something non-conducting like plastic or a dry sponge between the optic board pair to force the nickel to fall in the right place. You can inspect the optic boards to see how it is setup.

When you get a machine that is new to you there are sometimes a few problems to run down. Since you've been working with the coin comparitor I'd start on the button problem by carefully looking near the coin comparitor area for a wire that got pressed or pulled out of place. The pushbutton switches have wires for the button switch and other wires for the button lamps.

Ncovington100 · « **Reply #25 on:** May 05, 2016, 08:08:17 AM »

Jim, Rokgpsman,

Well after countless hours I am still at a loss on this comparitor. Unfortunately will working on it some of the wires came out of the plug that goes into the comparitor from the harness. I tried to remove/re-solder but did not have success as the wires are brittle. Is there a source I can go to for a new comparitor and wire lead to the harness? Additionally I have still not found the issue with the hold buttons. I guess I can continue to troubleshoot that issue while trying to hunt down a comparitor.

Any ideas on where I can order parts are greatly appreciated.

jay · « **Reply #26 on:** May 05, 2016, 08:53:48 AM »

Most of the vendors on the home page will have parts.....
You will want a CC16 coin comparator.

The buttons all share a common - ground wire. If you have a working button of any variety follow its ground wire to the next button and so on.... There is a break there some place.
The diagnostics on the first screen should allow you to push buttons and see whats working and whats not.

Ncovington100 · « **Reply #27 on:** May 05, 2016, 09:09:06 AM »

Perfect, thank you. There were a few of the ground wires not connected (which was strange as it was working for quite some time) likely they were touching just enough. They insert over the pin towards the top right of the buttons correct? (assuming your viewing it from the inside of the machine). I have been utilizing the test screen.

Here is the interesting part. It is only the hold buttons that are not working. the first two and last two buttons (bet credit and spin buttons) are still working. Does this seem normal if the hold buttons are not working??

rokgpsman · « **Reply #28 on:** May 05, 2016, 09:53:30 AM »

I haven't shopped for a comparitor but they are available from several places since they are a common part. The NLG homepage has several slot parts vendors listed, and companies like Rudy's, Spin Inc, Central Valley Slots and Ohio Gaming also have them for a range of prices. They can even be found on ebay. When searching for them you'll see that some people spell it as "comparator" instead of "comparitor". Pretty sure that "itor" is the correct way but both are used.

I *think* but am not positive that the color of the wires going to the rake solenoid is an indication of the voltage of the comparitor within the CC-16 model. When checking on buying one you may want to tell them what machine it is for. From your photos it looks like those wires are gray. I may not be thinking correctly on this wire color idea, others will hopefully say one way or the other.

Jim at MidWest Slots has been helpful on your problem so he is familiar with your machine and situation. You might send him a PM asking if he has a comparitor you could get. Here is his contact info:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=profile;u=39

and here are examples of the various comparitors available. Notice that the color of the wires on the left side of the plug near the center of the comparitor that goes to the circuit board are sometimes gray, green or other color:

http://rudysdeals.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=39

http://www.spininc.com/search?Q=cc-16&As=true&As=false&Cid=0&Isc=true&Isc=false&Mid=0&Pf=&Pt=&Sid=true&Sid=false

The various versions of CC-16 coin comparitors can vary by voltage, and they sometimes have machine-specific traits like an "inhibit" signal, sometimes abbreviated as "INH". So there are several different coin comparitors, you'll have to be careful to get the right one.

rokgpsman · « **Reply #29 on:** May 05, 2016, 10:21:25 AM »

On your player button problem, maybe if you posted a photo or two of the bottom of the buttons and the wiring going from one button to another we can spot something. It is hard to imagine what yours may look like and offer ideas.

The Hold buttons are connected to a different circuit than the Spin and Credit buttons. So whatever has happened to the Hold buttons isn't affecting the other ones.

I think there is an electrical safety ground wire, probably green color, that goes to a post on each button. It is required for the machine to meet UL electrical code but it doesn't affect the buttons working or not. It's just there in case an electrical short were to happen and voltage got on the metal chassis. If those safety ground wires are not connected the buttons still work ok. The wires to worry about are the ones that slip on the flat terminals on the bottom of the pushbutton, they often have pink colored crimped on connectors, sometimes called "spade" terminals, but your machine may have a different color. These buttons are wired together in "series", like the old-style Christmas lights, if just one wire comes loose then several buttons stop working.

As mentioned earlier, each player button has 2 sets of wires. One set is for the button lamp, the other set of wires is for the button switch. On your Hold buttons is it the button lamps that are not working, or the Hold switch itself.

As you are learning about your machine you will need to use caution when working on it, can be frustrating to cause additional problems.

Ncovington100 · « **Reply #30 on:** May 05, 2016, 12:37:37 PM »

Thanks all for the help on both fronts, I have been in touch with Jim and he is going to help regarding a new comparitor. Now I must go attack the hold button issue that I have created. Wish me luck, appreciate the insight on the wiring. It is definitely tight wiring back there. I will likely have to get into it a bit as I have tried the obvious. Thanks for that ground explanation, totally makes sense.

rokgpsman · « **Reply #31 on:** May 05, 2016, 12:47:14 PM »

If you want to post a photo of the player button area wiring someone here can probably point out the wires you need to check.

Ncovington100 · « **Reply #32 on:** May 05, 2016, 12:52:02 PM »

Right on, will do Rokgpsman . Jim did you get my direct message? It is not showing in my sent files so I am wanting to double check.

rokgpsman · « **Reply #33 on:** May 05, 2016, 04:33:27 PM »

To reduce the storage requirements on the NLG server the default setting for Sent messages is to not save a copy in your outbox. When you send a PM there is a little box in the lower left corner you can check if you'd like to save a copy.

Ncovington100 · « **Reply #34 on:** May 05, 2016, 04:36:07 PM »

Got it, thought I was losing my mind. Thank you.

Ncovington100 · « **Reply #35 on:** May 09, 2016, 02:15:53 PM »

Hi Jim, is this a shot of the optics board you were referring to?

Jim · « **Reply #36 on:** May 09, 2016, 05:56:42 PM »

yes it is, for the imonex to work in your machine, clip one lead of CR1 (diode next to the resistor beneath the 555 timer). Also, remove the token laying on the diverter.

Jim

Ncovington100 · « **Reply #37 on:** May 09, 2016, 08:12:46 PM »

Hi Jim, I clipped the bottom of CR1, hard to see in pic bit clipped. They all go directly to the coin return, nothing towards a credit or to the hopper.

Ncovington100 · « **Reply #38 on:** May 09, 2016, 08:30:11 PM »

I am pretty sure it is something elementary I am missing with the imonex unit. Even out of the machine I cannot get it to route to the optic slot. They come out of the right side only

Jim · « **Reply #39 on:** May 10, 2016, 06:54:18 AM »

I know why the unit is not accepting the coins, I sent you a 25 cent accepter, and you are using nickels. I'll see if I can find a nickel accepter. or if I can get yours working.

Jim

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