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New Noob Questions
« on: August 04, 2017, 01:56:52 AM »
So this is my first post and first questions . :Scratch-Head:
I acquired a Double Blackjack machine built in 95 or 96.I believe it is a S+?
It was jammed up when I got it with quarters .I cleaned it up and discovered the battery on board looks like it did a melt down and dripped stuff all down the board and onto the bottom board .White acid residue all the way down .
I have bought  new boards and noticed there were 2 chips on old board that were not on new one,so I transferred them to new board.
I have the 2 chips coming to do reset with ..
My question is how do I know the 2 chips on my old board are still good ?
How do I tell if I have a 10 mb or a 16 mb board and/or chip set. The board I bought was a 10 ,then I read somewhere it could be a 16 .

I have serial number but cant find anywhere I can check it with

And last but not least ,Thanks for the add  :wave:

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Re: New Noob Questions
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2017, 04:49:22 AM »
Pictures of both boards would help us identify if you have a 10 or 16.

A 10 will have a blue round dial close to the chips .. 16 does not have the dial.

If both boards are the same then both chips are okay ... if one is a 10 and the other a 16 then only the game prom would need to be changed.

Usually acid damage does not damage chips. They should be good but visually there isn't anyway to check them. There is a certain direction the chips need to go into the socket holder. Notch on end of chip to the notch in the socket that the chips goes into. If the game prom is in wrong and power applied it will blow the chip.

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Re: New Noob Questions
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2017, 07:16:35 AM »
Here is a photo of a 10 mhz S+ mpu board. Circled in white is the volume adjust, as Ken said it is a round blue knob located on the edge of the circuit board.

A 16 mhz mpu board does not have this manual volume adjust, the volume adjustment is built into the software and you set it by going into the setup preferences menu system. Because of this difference (and probably other things) you can't take the game software eprom (chip) from a 10mhz board and use it on a 16mhz board, or vice-versa.

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Re: New Noob Questions
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2017, 08:43:09 AM »
Thanks ,looks like I do have the 10 and that's what I did buy ,
I installed them but machine is still not working .I wont get clear and set chips in till Monday .
Is the game and reel prom the only ones I need to swap out. OR do I swap cmos chip also

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Re: New Noob Questions
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2017, 09:46:00 AM »
You just have to swap the 2 chips, REEL and GAME. Make sure you put each chip in the correct socket. And that the notch on the end of the chip is oriented correctly. The socket on the board has an indication of where the notch should be, plus you can see it in the photo above of the example mpu board. Also make sure you didn't bend any of the ic legs over when inserting them into the socket. I assume the seller of the replacement mpu board said it was tested and working good?

Also, you have to plug in the power transformer down in the corner of the metal tray, it connects to the mpu board.

Post a photo of your mpu board, maybe we can see something amiss.

The mpu board plugs into another smaller circuit board below it, that board is called the "motherboard" and it is mounted horizontally on the bottom of the machine. Did any of the battery leakage drip down to it? You should take a good look at the motherboard for battery leakage damage. And while you do that look at the white plastic Molex connector connected to the front of the motherboard. It is notorious for getting dark spots which indicate over heated contacts in the connector. Pull this Molex connector upward to disconnect it, look carefully at the front and back of it. See example photo below.

You say the machine is not working. What is it doing and not doing? Are there any error codes on the front display? Are any lights coming on?  Have you checked any fuses? We aren't there so can't see what you see. The more info you give us the more help you will get.

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Re: New Noob Questions
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2017, 07:44:14 AM »
ok so its working now after going thru reset article .The only thing I don't like is it will not hold credits .It will only let you insert 3 quarters (max bet) at a time all others just pass thru to collection bin .I can see paying out that way but if I have a hand full of quarters I cant load up credits then play .Also the bill validator is not working, chip reset is not here yet either hopefully that will take care of that  .

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Re: New Noob Questions
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2017, 08:03:00 AM »
I think that is normal for the machine to not let you insert any more quarters than the max coin per spin (3 in this case). You can't sit there and stick in 100 quarters to add credits, machine is not made that way. If you've gone to a casino and tried that it doesn't work there either. Some arcade game machines (including pachislo) might work that way, but not true casino slot machines. That's why you used to see all those players in the casino with those large plastic cups loaded with coins, so they could easily and quickly insert coins for each spin. Then Ticket In-Ticket Out came along and all that changed.

When you get the bill validator working you will be able to add more credits faster by inserting $20 bills or whatever. Have you confirmed that your bill validator has up to date software so it will work with the bills in circulation now?




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Re: New Noob Questions
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2017, 08:17:29 AM »
No I have not checked the validator for software .Not sure how o do that is there a write up about it ?

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Re: New Noob Questions
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2017, 08:31:52 AM »
The BV (bill validator) usually has a sticker on it, top or bottom, that says what version of software it contains. As you know these machines date back to the 1990's, maybe earlier. And since then the US has changed most of its paper money (except for the $1 bill). So if the BV has old software for the paper money used back then it won't recognize most of the bills we use today, except the $1 bill will always work. So when testing your bill validator you will want to use a $1 bill.

Open the main door of the machine and post a photo of your BV and we can go from there. The most common BV in these machines was the DBV-200 or DBV-145, made by JCM.
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Re: New Noob Questions
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2017, 09:01:50 AM »
 I have the DBV 145

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Re: New Noob Questions
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2017, 11:26:14 AM »
I have the DBV 145


Your four to be very limited to what your bill acceptor will accept for money, if it works at all. The DBV-145 does not offer any new software up grades. Your best best would be to up grade to a DBV-200 bill head, or better yet WBA-12 whole assembly. I believe with the WBA it will be able to be programmed with new software that accepts most if not all the new currency. I believe the WBA assembly's are available by a couple of NLG venders for around $100. That should include the power supply and wiring needed to install in your machine.
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Re: New Noob Questions
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2017, 03:47:58 PM »
The S2000 has the capability to direct all coins to the credit meter if your particular game menu allows. You can then feed in all the coins you want and build credits. Just change your coin-in option to "Coins to Credit". Your particular menu may or may not have this option.

7.1.10.2 Coin-In Option
    Coins to Game Only (limits coin-in to max bet amount) / Coins to Credit (all coins go to credit)

Based on the 10mhz S+ mpu board they bought and that the machine has a DBV-145 bill validator I don't think this is an S2000 machine.
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Re: New Noob Questions
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2017, 04:04:36 PM »
what do I need to do to try to get even this one to work .I got the igt clear and igt set chips in today .Machine is working and already took all the quarters n the house .So I don't think I need to clear it but how do I use the set to get even this old validator to work .I do not have a manual to look at options ,

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Re: New Noob Questions
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2017, 04:10:13 PM »
Hold off on using the SET chip until we hear from someone on how to check to see if your machine already has the bill validator enabled. And don't use the CLEAR chip at all unless someone says you should. You will cause a lot of headaches for yourself if you use the CLEAR chip, it shouldn't be used unless absolutely necessary.

You should have gotten instructions with the SET and CLEAR chips on how to use them. Basically, you remove a specific chip from the mpu board and install the SET chip and put the mpu board back into the machine. When you power up the machine you then go into the setup menus, they are numbered with "Steps", like Step 9.0, or 11.2, etc. The bill validator setting will be a certain step, you press a button on the machine to go from one step to the next. When you get to the step that you want to change you hit a different button to change the setting, like from a "0" to a "1". Whoever walks you thru it will give detailed instructions.


Also - you know that you can get all your quarters back from the machine, you have the key right?   :garfield:
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Re: New Noob Questions
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2017, 04:25:16 PM »
I have the DBV 145

As Amechanic says, the old DBV-145 has limited use. If it works it will only accept the $1 bill, all other bills have had their design changed and the DBV-145 won't recognize them and there is no software update available for it. If it works and you are ok with only using $1 bills then all is good.

The DBV-200 is an easy way to upgrade, it is compatible with the rest of the DBV-145 bill validator stuff in your machine like the transport and cash can and wiring. You just remove the DBV-145 head and install the DBV-200 head. The DBV-200 uses a little more power so sometimes you have to buy a DBV-200 style power supply instead of using the old DBV-145 power supply. This DBV power supply is the black box mounted near and to the left of the DBV-145.

You would need to find a working DBV-200 that has IGT type software. The DBV-200 were used on a variety of different machines such as Bally, IGT and Williams, and each one used different software specs that are not compatible with each other. The good news is that IGT machines were the most popular so it isn't impossible to find a DBV-200 for your machine. And some places even offer software upgrades for the DBV-200 so you can update it if needed so it will accept many of the bills in use today, enough that you will be able to play the machine using bills without a problem.

As mentioned, you can remove the DBV-145 system from the machine and install a more modern bill validator called the WBA. There are slot machine dealers that sell parts here on NLG and you should be able to get a WBA setup if you decide to do that.

Your DBV-145 bill validator system consists of the "head" where you insert the bill and it gets verified or rejected. If accepted the bill is sent from the head to the "transport" mechanism behind the head. The transport moves the bill to the secure storage area called a "cash can". Often the cash can will have a stacker mechanism so they can squeeze as many bills as possible into the can, instead of just letting the bills fall into the can. The cash can often has a lock on it and a security switch that lets the machine and the casino know if someone gets into the cash can. The WBA system is similar to this, except on the DBV-145/200 system the software is located in the head, on the WBA setup the software is located in the transport (I think).

I'd see if the old DBV-145 will work with $1 bills or not. If it does not work (and the machine has the BV enabled) then you know your choices are to either get a DBV-200 head or an entire WBA system. If the DBV-145 does work ok with $1 you have another choice, to just use it that way.

On the IGT S+ if the bill validator is not enabled then you need to use a SET chip. There is a way to get into the setup menu and see if the bill validator is enabled or disabled, one of the IGT experts can help with that.
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Re: New Noob Questions
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2017, 04:59:39 PM »
I did see on line that Samron Slots has the DBV-200 assemblies for sale for $89.99 + shipping. I would think they might be a little cheaper if you called them.. They are a NLG Vendor listed here on the home page.. It comes with the latest software.. I think The WBA unit is right around $100..

BV was tested and then removed from a working S+ slot machine.  BV is upgraded to the latest software for use in S+ & PE+ (V2.60 ID022/23).  Will accept new bills except colored $5 and $100.

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Re: New Noob Questions
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2017, 05:13:04 PM »
ok I just bought that one .got it for 75 .

Now to hook it up lol when it gets here

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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2017, 09:03:06 PM »
It includes the transport with the head but if you wanted to you could try just installing the DBV-200 head in your machine. It will work fine with your DBV-145 transport. That will be an easier job. If your old transport works ok then you can save the ebay transport in case you need it down the road. Don't forget to have someone show you how to check if your machine has the bill validator enabled by stepping thru the setup menu. If it does that will save you from dealing with the SET chip process.

When you get it if the head is already attached to the transport then just lift the red lever on the left side to disconnect the transport from the head. The head should then come away from the transport. You install it is a similar way. Remove the old DBV-145 head and have its transport lever up, slide the DBV-200 into position and lower the red handle. You may have to wiggle the head a little to get it fully into position. You will see that there are some gears on one side that need to mesh. And there are some small electrical connectors on the side of the DBV-200 head, be careful when plugging them in, the pins in the connectors are small, don't want to bend or break any of them.

Below is an example of a DBV-200 power supply, your machine will have a similar one and it may work ok with your DBV-200, or it may not, won't know until you give it a try. The DBV-145 power supplies were a little lower in power than what the DBV-200 often needs. So sometimes when you upgrade a machine from a DBV-145 to a DBV-200 you also need to replace the DBV power supply to the stronger one.

But don't buy this upgrade power supply until you find out if you need one, these can be found fairly easily. Also, look carefully at the photo in this ebay auction, see the venting slots/openings on the sides of the black cover. That tells you it is the upgraded and stronger DBV-200 power supply. Check your machine to see which DBV power supply it has, someone may have already installed the better one. If it has a black solid cover, no slots, then it is the original style DBV power supply.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BILL-VALIDATOR-POWER-SUPPLY-DBV200/152496094756?_trksid=p2047675.c100012.m1985&_trkparms=aid%3D777003%26algo%3DDISCL.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3Dcac8498d71ab460691f2ed379bc50a43%26pid%3D100012%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D222602837861
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Re: New Noob Questions
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2017, 06:19:56 PM »
Ok so DBV-200 finally came in .I installed it and it powers up but still will not take any bills .How do I get into settings to make sure its activated ????

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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2017, 06:29:06 PM »
There is a white Test pushbutton inside the machine, sometimes near the mpu board assembly, other times it is near the main power switch. You press it and watch the front display on the machine, use the button to step thru the numbered setup menu system. I think menu step 9 is for the bill validator, at step 9 a setting of "0" means the bv is disabled, a "1" means it is enabled. If it is a "0" you will need to temporarily install and use a special purpose chip called a SET chip to enable the bill validator.

If you look on your mpu board at the socketed chips (eproms) one of them is labeled "SPxxxx". If you can tell us your SP chip number (or post a photo of it) we can help with more specific advice.
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