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video poker sigma need help and wiring diagram.
« on: October 25, 2017, 12:25:42 PM »


Good evening, I need your help. I am looking to connect an uba-10/11-ss on a video poker sigma sg-112 to replace the original dbv-145-sg. Do you realize a wiring diagram? thank you for helping me :thank_you: (my english is bad, I'm french)
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Re: video poker sigma need help and wiring diagram.
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2017, 07:12:38 AM »
I found a drawing of the wiring diagram for the Sigma SG-112 Plus machine, below is the portion pertaining to the bill validator. Unfortunately it does not have detailed information for the 20 pin cable at bill validator connector J3. Perhaps another drawing for the bill validator itself will identify the signal definition for each of the wires in the 20 pin cable.

This wiring diagram is contained in an 84 page owners manual for the SG-112 Plus that is in the NLG download area. Access to the download requires a donation to NLG, can be virtually any amount, one-time or on a continuing basis, to support NLG website operations. But there is only one wiring diagram in this manual, it is for the complete machine, no subassembly internal wiring diagrams are included.
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Re: video poker sigma need help and wiring diagram.
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2017, 07:25:58 AM »
aside from wiring a new bill unit into the machine, keep in mind the important and critical item, SIGMA is out of business, you will have to come up with software for the new unit, sigma IDO was 011,   IGT is 024,  Bally and williams  is 003,   your sigma machine will not recognize any other IDO!

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Re: video poker sigma need help and wiring diagram.
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2017, 03:41:42 AM »
Thank you for your answers, here is a summary what I find for now.






So if I understand correctly, only the protocol ID011 will be reconu by my machine?


 




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Re: video poker sigma need help and wiring diagram.
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2017, 09:05:21 AM »
.....So if I understand correctly, only the protocol ID011 will be reconu by my machine?.....

That's the way I understand it. The software inside the slot machine (usually on the main circuit board) is where the communications software is for talking to the bill validator. Each slot machine manufacturer chooses its own comm method and typically they are not compatible with each other. Bally and Williams (WMS) shared some ID-XXX comm protocols because at one time they were part of the same company. And some companies chose to use a comm method that already existed rather than develop their own, I suppose they may have had to pay a license fee.

When JCM (or some other bv company) builds the bill validator for the slot machine they install compatible software to match whatever the slot machine has. So if your Sigma machine uses ID-011 the bill validator also needs ID-011. JCM made the DBV models of bill validators for years and then later they made the WBA models. On the WBA models it looks like Sigma went to using ID-003. I don't know if the WBA ID-003 is compatible with the DBV ID-011 but I would guess it is not. If it is then that might be a way for you to upgrade your machine. I don't know a lot about Sigma machines and why they changed from using ID-011 to ID-003 but it doesn't seem likely that your machine that uses ID-011 would work with a WBA that has ID-003.

You can make the necessary wiring connections to your UBA bill validator and get that correct, but if the software inside the bill validator isn't compatible with the software inside the slot machine then they won't be able to communicate with each other. There may be what is called a "protocol converter" out there somewhere that would change the Sigma machine's ID-011 to something else that your UBA uses, seems like I saw something about this somewhere. Try searching for "protocol converter" or "slot machine protocol converter". Here is one example:

http://agaslots.com/

You could contact them to see if they have a protocol converter that would help with your project to interface a UBA bill validator to the Sigma machine. In the mean time you could try to locate a good working DBV-145 or DBV-200 from a Sigma machine that is getting parted-out.
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Re: video poker sigma need help and wiring diagram.
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2017, 04:41:28 PM »
As an example, here is a Sigma slant top machine for sale and the seller says the bill validator works (although it is doubtful it takes the latest bill designs). So these things are still out there, possibly not as often in your area. If the bill validator is a model that has the software in eprom then you could make a backup copy of it easily, then you'd have it for other Sigma machines that use the same ID-xxx protocol.

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Re: video poker sigma need help and wiring diagram.
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2017, 10:13:15 AM »
Thank you for your answers.
I already contact "agaslots" and unfortunately it does not support this protocol from what I understood.
Agaslots think that the protocol id003 works directly on my machine (it is agaslot which made me know your forum)

Apparently this user has been successful on this sigma machine.
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=14340.msg76950#msg76950

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Re: video poker sigma need help and wiring diagram.
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2017, 10:36:58 AM »
Thank you for your answers.
I already contact "agaslots" and unfortunately it does not support this protocol from what I understood.
Agaslots think that the protocol id003 works directly on my machine (it is agaslot which made me know your forum)

Apparently this user has been successful on this sigma machine.
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=14340.msg76950#msg76950


If you examine the original DBV-145 from your machine does it have a label or sticker indicating what ID-xxx protocol it uses? From the chart you posted earlier it seems that Sigma used ID-011 on their early-made machines with the DBV-145 bv, and then they used ID-003 on their later-made machines that used the WBA bv. So if your DBV-145 has ID-011 software then your Sigma machine it was installed in will likely also use ID-011 protocol, right?

Perhaps you can contact the NLG user "New2me" and ask about his experience with his Sigma machine and get details about how he installed the WBA bv. His Sigma machine may be new enough that it was built with the ID-003 software, and not the ID-011. But he should be able to give helpful advice.

What communication method does the UBA bv use that you are considering to install?
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Re: video poker sigma need help and wiring diagram.
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2017, 01:46:16 AM »


I do not have the original dbv-145sg on this machine. You're right it's good id011 for my machine.

I do not want to use a dbv145 or dbv200 because I am in France! the only alternative I have left and the protocol conversion!

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