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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2015, 06:37:51 PM »
Well, DANG!!!  I just saw a screenshot on a website that has nothing to do with us NLG'ers.
It's an alleged screenshot of the 7.6 game arcade game, showing the DoubleUp option!!!
Pic attached.

RPM, you may just be in luck, and I may just be able to add some serious new info about CalOmega software.

Working on a way now  to get you a complete set of clean 7.6 eproms.


Funny thing SolidSilver, I was just typing this message with the information you have also found. I downloaded a new version of mame and the Cal-Omega 7.6 rom. Looks to be the same game burned into my cabinet crt screen lol.
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2015, 06:39:38 PM »
Working on a way now  to get you a complete set of clean 7.6 eproms.


That would be EXCELLENT!
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #42 on: November 17, 2015, 12:23:44 AM »
Well, DANG!!!  I just saw a screenshot on a website that has nothing to do with us NLG'ers.
It's an alleged screenshot of the 7.6 game arcade game, showing the DoubleUp option!!!
Pic attached.

RPM, you may just be in luck, and I may just be able to add some serious new info about CalOmega software.

Working on a way now  to get you a complete set of clean 7.6 eproms.

Funny thing SolidSilver, I was just typing this message with the information you have also found. I downloaded a new version of mame and the Cal-Omega 7.6 rom. Looks to be the same game burned into my cabinet crt screen lol.
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #43 on: November 17, 2015, 06:27:54 AM »
Well, DANG!!!  I just saw a screenshot on a website that has nothing to do with us NLG'ers.
It's an alleged screenshot of the 7.6 game arcade game, showing the DoubleUp option!!!
Pic attached.

RPM, you may just be in luck, and I may just be able to add some serious new info about CalOmega software.

Working on a way now  to get you a complete set of clean 7.6 eproms.

Funny thing SolidSilver, I was just typing this message with the information you have also found. I downloaded a new version of mame and the Cal-Omega 7.6 rom. Looks to be the same game burned into my cabinet crt screen lol.


For whatever reason, I tried to edit that post and it came up with that super micro font size both times.

In any respect, it does appear that the 7.6 arcade version from 1981 of Double Up Poker by Cal Omega is the correct EPROM version for this machine. Although, the MAME dump files/ROM created from original 7.6 files are missing the "low" feature when using double up on a winning hand.

Pretty cool experience going through some vintage arcade history and as a team we are all figuring this and other machines out together!
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #44 on: November 17, 2015, 09:37:16 AM »
Sometimes the text in a comment gets shrunk to a tiny size by the system here. For whatever reason it will embed a font size command and that is what changes it. You can click on Modify in the upper right corner of your message to edit it. Then look for any font size commands, they will be enclosed in square brackets, like this:  [size=xxpt]

Just delete any such commands that are enclosed in square brackets, then save your message and it should go back to normal size.
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #45 on: November 17, 2015, 09:48:37 AM »
Jim would my game chips from my 904 work? I have a chip burner...


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Do you happen to know the eprom revision?

I'll still check on this as well... :yes:   soon as I get home this afternoon.
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #46 on: November 18, 2015, 12:36:23 AM »
OH CRAP!!![size=18pt][/size]
RPM, my sincere apologies. I am putting up my CEI machines, and all parts & boards, for sale;
and I am retiring from the NLG forum, specifically as Moderator of the CEI area.
I shot off my mouth about something I did not really know; and have sent you & everyone else down the wrong path.

I've just looked over all the MAME arcade CalOmega game eprom files, something I've never done as we
are basically gaming-machine folks.

What to my chagrin, virtually every early CalOmega arcade eprom set, including 7.6, contains only FOUR roms;
and they are all numbered U6 (2) through U9 (5). Therefore, RPM's machine has a correct and complete eprom set.

Since these eproms are quite solid and almost impossible to screw up, I would say the problem does not lie in them.

RPM, again, please accept my sincere apologies. I simply made assumptions, from all subsequent CEI gaming software.
It never occurred to me that CalOmega could possibly be so damn obstreperous, let alone plain stupid.

But their stupidity trumps my arrogance.
Sincere apologies to all,

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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #47 on: November 18, 2015, 12:54:24 AM »
Well if you're retiring from NLG then I better just shoot myself since I know WAY LESS about these things than you do !
Should I still check my EPROMs or are we tossing this thread in the sh*tcan?
Or should we all just drink some more wine and press on?
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #48 on: November 18, 2015, 09:15:07 AM »
OH CRAP!!![size=18pt]
RPM, my sincere apologies. I am putting up my CEI machines, and all parts & boards, for sale;
and I am retiring from the NLG forum, specifically as Moderator of the CEI area.
I shot off my mouth about something I did not really know; and have sent you & everyone else down the wrong path.

I've just looked over all the MAME arcade CalOmega game eprom files, something I've never done as we
are basically gaming-machine folks.

What to my chagrin, virtually every early CalOmega arcade eprom set, including 7.6, contains only FOUR roms;
and they are all numbered U6 (2) through U9 (5). Therefore, RPM's machine has a correct and complete eprom set.

Since these eproms are quite solid and almost impossible to screw up, I would say the problem does not lie in them.

RPM, again, please accept my sincere apologies. I simply made assumptions, from all subsequent CEI gaming software.
It never occurred to me that CalOmega could possibly be so damn obstreperous, let alone plain stupid.

But their stupidity trumps my arrogance.
Sincere apologies to all,

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Well this is a game changer, no pun intended.


Well if you're retiring from NLG then I better just shoot myself since I know WAY LESS about these things than you do !
Should I still check my EPROMs or are we tossing this thread in the sh*tcan?
Or should we all just drink some more wine and press on?


This thread, is NOT fit for the "shi*can" by far... [blink]If nothing else, it has brought clarification to the differences between Cal-Omega Arcade and Casino variation cabinets...[/blink]


SolidSilver, I must insist that you reconsider your decision of retirement as I am almost certain that the valid information you have provided through the years by far outweighs oversights that you and others were not aware of until now.


Although I am new to the forums, we have made some substantial forward moving discoveries not just for my machine, but everyone else who may have encountered the same or similar issues.


IMHO, there should be a sticky thread created stating the differences between Arcade and Casino style games discovered thus far. Something for reference and historical data. Include the MAME dumps as reference.


My primary issue(s) with this machine still persist. That was the original intention of creating this thread and I still require assistance with coming to resolution. Now that we have concluded the game set is complete, it is time to move on to the next steps. I do not give up that easy, and I do not intend for this to be YET ANOTHER DEAD THREAD, sorely sought out on the internet to have no resolution and or follow up by the creator, being me in this instance.


If I find that I am unable to fix, or it is financially not feasible or decide to just sell the machine, I will post a follow up.


SolidSilver, I humbly accept your apologies, but do not drop everything without at least making the sticky You have been most inviting and helpful to your fullest capacity and I and may I be so bold to say others find this approach to be quite refreshing compared to MANY other on-line communities. We all make mistakes, but it is sincerely appreciated that you addressed the misinformation provided.


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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #49 on: November 18, 2015, 09:31:34 AM »
I think, hope he was just kidding! I don't really want to sh*tcan this. Too many people are contributing to it and you ARE MAKING PROGRESS regardless of incorrect information or not.

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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #50 on: November 18, 2015, 09:46:52 AM »
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My primary issue(s) with this machine still persist. That was the original intention of creating this thread and I still require assistance with coming to resolution. Now that we have concluded the game set is complete, it is time to move on to the next steps. I do not give up that easy, and I do not intend for this to be YET ANOTHER DEAD THREAD, sorely sought out on the internet to have no resolution and or follow up by the creator, being me in this instance.
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That's a commendable outlook and I agree with it. There will be setbacks and surprises now and then, that's just life. And there are so many variations of these old machines that no one can be expected to be aware of every single nuance. That's one of the reasons NLG exists, to have ideas from a variety of people that help arrive at a solution. I've made my share of mistakes or goofs, I just had to smile about it and learn from the experience. It is part of the risk just about every time one of us attempts to help someone else, our suggestions or advice can lead down the wrong road.

SolidSilver- don't worry about this, it was just an oversight about something you didn't know existed. No one expects you or anyone else here to have 100% absolute knowledge about all aspects on these things. 

RPM-
So, if your machine mpu board has a complete set of software eproms, and the software in them is correct for the machine, then you try to figure out what other problems there are. Did you verify that the various voltages are correct? From reading other message threads I think there are 4 voltages on the CalOmega that are important. Here is what I read:

   4 voltages have to be present for the game to work, regulated 5 volts, regulated 12 volts (for 905 board measure at ground and left side R74), unregulated 12 volts (measure across C3), and 15VAC (measure across MOV CR25).  Confirm that R56 is full clockwise.  If all 5 things are good your board is bad.  Coinslots manuals are fine but probably don't have what you are looking for like schematics, wiring, or parts info 

There is also a Cal Omega Test rom that can be installed into your mpu board. It is used by techs and others to help determine what is and is not working. It might be something to consider trying.
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2015, 09:53:10 AM »
I think, hope he was just kidding! I don't really want to sh*tcan this. Too many people are contributing to it and you ARE MAKING PROGRESS regardless of incorrect information or not.

THAT'S HOW WE ALL LEARN AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE HELPING EACH OTHER.


Agreed.


Consider this, we are working with technological dinosaurs where information is scarce to say the least. It would be a crying shame to loose one of it's most valuable contributors to something that should be looked at as a learning experience for all rather than a catastrophic failure.
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #52 on: November 18, 2015, 10:46:34 AM »
Should I still check my EPROMs or are we tossing this thread in the sh*tcan?
If your machine is easy to get to and not much trouble to pull the mpu I'd like to see photos of it and the backplane board. There seems to be a lot of variation on these Cal Omega/CEI machines so it could be helpful seeing yours. Do you think your machine is one of the later models? Did you have to do software chip replacement or any board repairs when you got it?


Or should we all just drink some more wine and press on?
I'd say that is ALWAYS an option!   :garfield:

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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2015, 11:18:32 AM »
I have problems sometimes remember the wrong info. But I am able to let itgdo, since I fall in the group that is entitled to ...."Senior Moments"
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2015, 04:21:39 PM »
O.K. It's been an eventful day, busy day AND the Poker Machine has been moved into the rec-room located in the basement from the outside workshop, my back is sore... It's starting too get a little cold out there and it was time to get the machine in here for further troubleshooting and diagnostics.


I still feel we made huge progress today finding out the Arcade version only requires 4 game chips and not the five. Cal-Omega labelling their eproms 7.6.2-7.6.5 may have been a clever way of making "us" think there was something missing. As stated in my first post, that was an initial assumption (missing chip). In any respect, this makes me feel pretty good about the present situation as it is now one less thing to consider and one less thing that needs money and time put into the machine (THANKFUL FOR THAT!).


I have not yet tested the power output but am feeling more and more it is a likely issue.


I am exhausted at the moment as I was out running the chainsaw, hauling wood, had a big fire and moved the machine. I'll return either tomorrow or later tonight if I get the ambition to testing and post my results.
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #55 on: November 18, 2015, 06:52:04 PM »
Keep on keepin on .... good luck.
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2015, 10:16:50 AM »
Should I still check my EPROMs or are we tossing this thread in the sh*tcan?
If your machine is easy to get to and not much trouble to pull the mpu I'd like to see photos of it and the backplane board. There seems to be a lot of variation on these Cal Omega/CEI machines so it could be helpful seeing yours. Do you think your machine is one of the later models? Did you have to do software chip replacement or any board repairs when you got it?

Ok well I've lead everyone done the wrong path too! Well not really. I thought I had a 904 board. I sent my original board to member Dormi a few years ago for repair. I have a 906III board - (Version 51.08) But the board isn't not the "turbo" version which was the multiple game (I have two of those that work on my machine, sort of). I'm fairly certain I originally had a 904 board but I may just be losing my mind. OR I may just be human and and not an expert here.
Moving along...here's a shot of my eproms and, soon as I get home from this ridiculously high end mall where I get coffee each morning, I'll shoot a picture of the back panel. 
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #57 on: November 19, 2015, 10:36:41 AM »
Looks like you've got the whole mall to yourself,
or did you just tell everyone to move out of the photo?  And how was that $8 cup of coffee?   :wave:

PS> Thanks! for the photos, I'm accumulating some learnin', one day at a time.

The labels on your game eproms say "2764A" and your mpu board looks much newer than many of the other CEI/Cal Omega machines discussed here.  I guess that is due to being a 906 board. Maybe you have one of the more recently made machines, or it did have a 904 board when you got it and you replaced it with this newer one.
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2015, 12:15:04 PM »
I think I had the 904 board but that was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before I was contributing anything here. I may have the old board somewhere... I'll poke around. The current board was the one Dormi sent me, years back...and it works just as the original.
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #59 on: November 19, 2015, 03:45:51 PM »
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My primary issue(s) with this machine still persist. That was the original intention of creating this thread and I still require assistance with coming to resolution. Now that we have concluded the game set is complete, it is time to move on to the next steps. I do not give up that easy, and I do not intend for this to be YET ANOTHER DEAD THREAD, sorely sought out on the internet to have no resolution and or follow up by the creator, being me in this instance.
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That's a commendable outlook and I agree with it. There will be setbacks and surprises now and then, that's just life. And there are so many variations of these old machines that no one can be expected to be aware of every single nuance. That's one of the reasons NLG exists, to have ideas from a variety of people that help arrive at a solution. I've made my share of mistakes or goofs, I just had to smile about it and learn from the experience. It is part of the risk just about every time one of us attempts to help someone else, our suggestions or advice can lead down the wrong road.

SolidSilver- don't worry about this, it was just an oversight about something you didn't know existed. No one expects you or anyone else here to have 100% absolute knowledge about all aspects on these things. 

RPM-
So, if your machine mpu board has a complete set of software eproms, and the software in them is correct for the machine, then you try to figure out what other problems there are. Did you verify that the various voltages are correct? From reading other message threads I think there are 4 voltages on the CalOmega that are important. Here is what I read:

   4 voltages have to be present for the game to work, regulated 5 volts, regulated 12 volts (for 905 board measure at ground and left side R74), unregulated 12 volts (measure across C3), and 15VAC (measure across MOV CR25).  Confirm that R56 is full clockwise.  If all 5 things are good your board is bad.  Coinslots manuals are fine but probably don't have what you are looking for like schematics, wiring, or parts info 

There is also a Cal Omega Test rom that can be installed into your mpu board. It is used by techs and others to help determine what is and is not working. It might be something to consider trying.


rokgpsman or anyone else out there that can advise where/what points on my 908 motherboard do I test for voltages. If I am not mistaken, black goes on ground then I need to know the test points. If I am correct, I would need to test on the motherboard and not the mpu?


I checked the reference points in the quoted reply that rokgpsman posted from another point on the 903 mpu but I do not believe they are the same as the 905 referred.


I did solder a new 3.7v battery in place of the original 3.6v and hoped that it would be a simple, fix but no dice.
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