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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #60 on: November 19, 2015, 04:17:53 PM »
yes, from reading thru other threads I believe the power supply voltages are measured on the motherboard (backplane) board but can also be done on the mpu. I'll see if I can find some info on where to measure them, in the mean time maybe someone that knows already will chime in with the info.

I'm posting your motherboard photo again here to make it easier for anyone to help point out where to measure the power supply voltages.

EDIT- I found a schematic drawing for a Cal Omega motherboard but it doesn't match yours exactly. It is for the 911 motherboard, which I think is not the same as yours. Which motherboard do you have?

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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #61 on: November 19, 2015, 05:01:02 PM »
yes, I believe the power supply voltages are best measured on the motherboard (backplane) board. I'll see if I can find some info on where to measure them, in the mean time maybe someone that knows already will chime in with the info.

I'm posting your motherboard photo again here to make it easier for anyone to help point out where to measure the power supply voltages.

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The 5 volts dc can be measure across the capacitor C4, the big black body capacitor mounted vertically. The lower end is ground connection. This is a good ground to use for measuring the other DC voltages but for AC voltages you will need to use the AC common. The +5 vdc is used to power most of the ic's.


I tested the ac voltages by grounding to the power cable ground and placed the positive to each fuse with different measurements, I did not write the measurements, butt can do it again if required/requested. Also tested the ac output for the fan, crt and lights with 120vac-130vac.

I have a 908 Motherboard.

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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #62 on: November 19, 2015, 05:11:20 PM »
I saw "908" written on your motherboard in one of your photos. Maybe someone has the wiring drawing for it. The 911 motherboard schematic I have has some similarities but the differences make it harder to know where to measure the essential voltages.

Below are your photos with my notes showing where I think you can measure voltages. Not sure on this, let me know what you get. Be careful about letting the meter probe slip and shorting out something. And remember there is 115vac on that motherboard, watch where you put your hands.

I'll be adding to this post if I figure anything else out that I'm at least somewhat ok with saying.
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #63 on: November 19, 2015, 05:33:28 PM »
By the looks of the corrosion on the transformer and other parts, machine could have been in an ocean / beach setting. I would definitely at least look at the large connector from the transformer to make sure the pins in the connector dont have a similar corrosion on them and they will meet the pins from the board well. Most of the time i have the opinion of " when in doubt, remove the connector pins and stretch them out so they will make contact and visually look good , then re-install" That way you know they are good and not iffy.

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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #64 on: November 19, 2015, 05:54:55 PM »
By the looks of the corrosion on the transformer and other parts, machine could have been in an ocean / beach setting. I would definitely at least look at the large connector from the transformer to make sure the pins in the connector dont have a similar corrosion on them and they will meet the pins from the board well. Most of the time i have the opinion of " when in doubt, remove the connector pins and stretch them out so they will make contact and visually look good , then re-install" That way you know they are good and not iffy.

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Agreed, the contacts inside any of the plastic connector housings could be tarnished, corroded or oxidized. Something to check on for sure.

When I first read your comment I thought you said "from the looks of the transformer the machine could have been in the ocean....".

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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #65 on: November 19, 2015, 06:02:05 PM »
By the looks of the corrosion on the transformer and other parts, machine could have been in an ocean / beach setting. I would definitely at least look at the large connector from the transformer to make sure the pins in the connector dont have a similar corrosion on them and they will meet the pins from the board well. Most of the time i have the opinion of " when in doubt, remove the connector pins and stretch them out so they will make contact and visually look good , then re-install" That way you know they are good and not iffy.

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I pulled every connector and re-seated a couple of times. You are absolutely correct about the ocean setting, I live in Nova Scotia Canada, an East Coast Province with the Atlantic Ocean all around us.
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #66 on: November 19, 2015, 06:04:17 PM »
When I first read your comment I thought you said "from the looks of the transformer the machine could have been in the ocean....".


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My mind processed it the same way when I first read it lol
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #67 on: November 19, 2015, 06:06:31 PM »


When I first read your comment I thought you said "from the looks of the transformer the machine could have been in the ocean....".



I once had a Bally EM slot from Atlantic City NJ that would have probably been in better shape if it was in the ocean.
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #68 on: November 19, 2015, 06:27:11 PM »
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I once had a Bally EM slot from Atlantic City NJ that would have probably been in better shape if it was in the ocean.
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #69 on: November 19, 2015, 06:45:09 PM »
I saw "908" written on your motherboard in one of your photos. Maybe someone has the wiring drawing for it. The 911 motherboard schematic I have has some similarities but the differences make it harder to know where to measure the essential voltages.

Below are your photos with my notes showing where I think you can measure voltages. Not sure on this, let me know what you get. Be careful about letting the meter probe slip and shorting out something. And remember there is 115vac on that motherboard, watch where you put your hands.

I'll be adding to this post if I figure anything else out that I'm at least somewhat ok with saying.


C5 Capacitor = 13.7vdc
Regulator to C5 ground = 0 (no reading, double checked)
C4 Capacitor = 17.75vdc
VR1 (above C3) = 12.06vdc


I had a very difficult time manoeuvring to test C3 so I grounded to C5 and tested directly to the regulator VR1.



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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #70 on: November 19, 2015, 07:18:15 PM »
I am thinking the next step is to pull the 908 Motherboard/Backplain and check the traces.


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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #71 on: November 19, 2015, 07:21:47 PM »

C5 Capacitor = 13.7vdc
Regulator to C5 ground = 0 (no reading, double checked)
C4 Capacitor = 17.75vdc
VR1 (above C3) = 12.06vdc

I had a very difficult time manoeuvring to test C3 so I grounded to C5 and tested directly to the regulator VR1.

All of these are somewhat close enough to what I expected since I was just taking a wild shot at it, except for the 5vdc regulator (the second measurement listed). It could be that my guess about putting the red meter lead on the metal housing of the regulator would let you measure its output, I may be wrong about that. So we need to find another way to measure the +5 vdc to make sure if it is good or bad. Are you able to get to the mpu board when it is plugged in and power is on?


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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #72 on: November 19, 2015, 07:27:49 PM »

C5 Capacitor = 13.7vdc
Regulator to C5 ground = 0 (no reading, double checked)
C4 Capacitor = 17.75vdc
VR1 (above C3) = 12.06vdc

I had a very difficult time manoeuvring to test C3 so I grounded to C5 and tested directly to the regulator VR1.

All of these are somewhat close enough to what I expected since I was just taking a wild shot at it, except for the 5vdc regulator (the second measurement listed). It could be that my guess about putting the red meter lead on the metal housing of the regulator would let you measure its output, I may be wrong about that. So we need to find another way to measure the +5 vdc to make sure if it is good or bad. Are you able to get to the mpu board when it is plugged in and power is on?


It is VERY tight to access anything on the mpu when it it plugged in, but I am willing to try what you suggest. I can usually find a work around if I am unable to get my hands in there.
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #73 on: November 19, 2015, 07:31:22 PM »
See if this works. Each eprom has a thin green wafer capacitor near the head of the eprom (end with the notch). This green cap is connected to 5vdc and ground. If you can reach any of these caps with your meter you can check if the 5 vdc is ok or not.

There may be another way to test the 5 vdc, I'll see if anything comes up.
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #74 on: November 19, 2015, 07:47:58 PM »
See if this works. Each eprom has a thin green wafer capacitor near the head of the eprom (end with the notch). This green cap is connected to 5vdc and ground. If you can reach any of these caps with your meter you can check if the 5 vdc is ok or not.

There may be another way to test the 5 vdc, I'll see if anything comes up.


5vdc measured across all four caps. Promising I would assume!


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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #75 on: November 19, 2015, 07:52:01 PM »
That is good news about the 5vdc. I guess where I first had you check in the photo on top of the regulator it is not like the ones I've seen.

Anyway I'm going to make a list of the measurements you made and see what else needs to be checked. One thing I noticed on this drawing I have is that there is also a 15 volt AC voltage that goes to the mpu board. So we need to figure out where than comes from and make sure it is ok.

I don't want to string you along on a false feeling, I've never seen or worked on one of these machines so am definitely flying blind and not the best source for advice.

On your mpu board there will be a part marked "CR60" (hopefully) and it will be near 4 or 5 diodes and an ic marked "LM311". I think that is where the 15 volts AC gets connected. I looked back but didn't see a good clear photo of your mpu board, if you can post one that will help.
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #76 on: November 19, 2015, 08:11:06 PM »

I was rereading all the previous posts in this thread to see if something triggered a thought or idea. I saw where SolidSilver sent you some documents, manuals, drawings on your machine. Can you forward all of that to me, I will PM you my email address or you can see it by clicking on my info to the left of any of my comments. Thanks.

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« Reply #77 on: November 19, 2015, 08:41:12 PM »
I am thinking the next step is to pull the 908 Motherboard/Backplain and check the traces.
Something's not adding up here.

That's not a bad idea, a good visual might find something wrong, and actually it would be good to take a close look at all the boards and other assemblies you can reasonably get to.
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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #78 on: November 19, 2015, 08:57:45 PM »

I was rereading all the previous posts in this thread to see if something triggered a thought or idea. I saw where SolidSilver sent you some documents, manuals, drawings on your machine. Can you forward all of that to me, I will PM you my email address or you can see it by clicking on my info to the left of any of my comments. Thanks.


Email was just sent with doc's.


Just noticed cap C52 has some burn on it. Visible in the 3rd photo down. Could not/did not see this prior to taking the photos with the flash on.


C60 is visible in the first photo. It will be very difficult to test this connection with the mpu plugged in unless i make a lead from it to my multi.


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Re: Cal Omega CEI Double Up Poker 1982 Troubleshooting - Need Help!
« Reply #79 on: November 19, 2015, 09:12:23 PM »
I am thinking the next step is to pull the 908 Motherboard/Backplain and check the traces.
Something's not adding up here.

That's not a bad idea, a good visual might find something wrong, and actually it would be good to take a close look at all the boards and other assemblies you can reasonably get to.


Pulling the motherboard is the most difficult component. If all the voltages are in check, I would rather leave it in place, but I will pull if I have to, not a big deal.


I am considering swapping cap C52 below the empty eprom with cap C45 located above the empty eprom U5/1800.
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