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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2017, 08:38:20 PM »
Great, you fixed the major problem.
Regarding the payouts, the extra coin could have been stuck in the chute from a previous payout.
This area between the pivot roller and where the coin exits the machine builds up with oil and dirt preventing the last coin to drop.
The payout of $1.00 on 5 coins might be the odds step up unit. Do the lights move across the upper glass as coins are added?

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2017, 12:38:57 PM »
Went I went out today to run some payouts I started having problems with the contact arching real bad (there are flashes of blue as the contacts scatter).  I actually had a little ball of fire once. If I let the relay pull in on it's own I get a lot of scatter and blue arcs, but if I use my finger and apply a little pressure the scattering and arcs go away. 




Pic 1: is the gap too wide on relay?   


Relay also seems hard to push in by hand compared to other relays.


How wide of a gap should there be between the open contacts??


thanks
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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2017, 12:59:08 PM »
Might be the wrong return spring for the armature.
Here is what you can do, remove the spring and check to see if the armature moves freely.
Temporally replace the spring with a rubber band. Tie a knot in the rubber band a little off center.
Install the rubber band to where it has just enough power to pull the relay armature back.

 

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2017, 02:49:23 PM »
takiing the spring off doesn't help.  WShould the metal top part touch and stay engaged against top of coin when energized?  There is a gag when it pulls in and it just scatters/sparks until I push it down by hand.
Can I add a spacer below the coil to close the top gap?


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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2017, 03:27:35 PM »
Give it a try, it might do the trick.

The sparks are from the contacts not the coil?
Sparks from the coil to the armature plate would indicate the coil is shorting to its core or frame.
If that is the case the coil should be replaced.

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2017, 03:48:44 PM »
Yes the sparks are from contacts as they scatter.  I'll try a small shim to close gap and see if helps.

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2017, 07:05:55 PM »
Might want to check the contacts that are suppose to open, do open when the armature is in the down position. Also check for any metallic debris between contact blades.

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2017, 07:41:29 PM »
when the armature pulls in should it bottom out against top of coil?  Right now it only pulls down about half way.

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2017, 08:00:52 PM »
Right, the metal plate is pulled to the core when it becomes magnetized.
Does it work if you give it a little help.
What is the number on the coil? I'm not where I can check what the coil # is at this moment.
Maybe someone else can post the coil number for the payout relay.
Could have been the wrong one to begin with, never know what the person before did to the machine.

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2017, 08:16:59 PM »
It doesn't pull all the way down on it's own, I have to apply a little pressure with my finger.  When I do apply the pressure it the scattering and arcing stops.  The coil is G-32-2500.
thanks for all your time and help.
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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2017, 08:38:42 PM »
Checked 3 diff hoppers, 922, 956 and another 956.    Payout relay in all 3 were the same.   G-31-2000.

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2017, 09:03:44 PM »
Thanks for checking that out.


Now does anyone know if the G-32-2500 I have is harder to pull in than the G-31-2000?




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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2017, 07:07:29 PM »

Found this on bally em pinball site.   -2000 has more pull than -2500.        Less resistance greater pulling power. 

The (generally accepted) Coil Pull-In Strength Rule:  The greater the number of turns of wire on a coil, the weaker (less pull in strength) the solenoid coil. Inversely, the fewer the number of wire turns the stronger the pull-in strength of the solenoid coil.


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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2017, 06:23:54 AM »

Found this on bally em pinball site.   -2000 has more pull than -2500.        Less resistance greater pulling power. 

The (generally accepted) Coil Pull-In Strength Rule:  The greater the number of turns of wire on a coil, the weaker (less pull in strength) the solenoid coil. Inversely, the fewer the number of wire turns the stronger the pull-in strength of the solenoid coil.



thanks, that really helps and it seems to support the need for a different coil.  I'll try to locate the g-31-2000.

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2017, 06:41:21 AM »
I bought a unit out of a pinball machine. Got the whole thing on eBay, listed under pinball parts.
Had 4 or 5 coils, armatures and contacts on it.
Will check to see what has not been used. Might have the coil you need.


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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2017, 03:37:01 PM »
Anyone know what the thing is that is soldered between the 2 poles on coil?  I circled it in red.  How do I test it to see of it's good or bad?
I had somone say it was a "arc suppressor".
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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2017, 04:38:13 PM »
Didn't get the photo.

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2017, 05:00:28 PM »
Didn't get the photo.
sorry, i just added it.

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2017, 07:34:16 PM »
This is a schematic for a 809-K 5 coin machine
Showing two resistors, they appear to be in the same position as your machine.

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2017, 08:48:29 PM »
Just wanted to post this photo of the resistors on the payout relay coil.

 

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