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first PE plus game- have questions
« on: June 25, 2016, 11:09:43 AM »
 first PE game, i guess PE plus cause of the bill acceptor ? didnt work, but now working.  cant find a plus manual in  the archives. will a non plus do the job? i dont know even the basic game play or anything about it. also, there are wires with no place to go, see pics, they are circled.  green wire with yellow tracer, looks like they are all daisy chained.  i have a button bulbs out, what type are they?  also, once in a while it goes into a memory testing kind of look, and the screen garbles. a reboot fixes it. any ideas?

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Re: first PE plus game- have questions
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2016, 11:18:22 AM »
ps the wires are inside the coin door. i also need the little screw and nut that hols the round piece in the cabinet that the door mechanism latches on to

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Re: first PE plus game- have questions
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2016, 03:51:15 PM »
That wire looks like the ground wire that goes to the straight pin connector by your button switch. As for your missing hardware, visit your local hardware store that's what I do.
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Re: first PE plus game- have questions
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2016, 07:27:23 PM »
Amechanic is right, those disconnected wires that are green with yellow tracer are safety ground wires, they slip onto a round ground pin mounted on each pushbutton switch. If you carefully look at the underside of the pushbutton switches you should see the round pin. These wires are not needed for the buttons to work, they are there in case of a short circuit or other malfunction occurs, to keep voltage from getting on the metal chassis and shocking someone. It is good if they are attached but not needed for the machine to work. They are equivalent to the 3rd prong that is longer on a power cord plug, only there as a safety requirement to meet UL code. If you follow the green wires with yellow tracer you will find it attached to the metal chassis of the machine by a screw, it looks like you can see it over to the right in your photo.

Show us a photo of the main logic board (called the "mpu" board). Make sure the battery hasn't leaked onto the board. Push down firmly but carefully on all ic (eproms) that are in sockets in case some of them have gotten loose over time.
 
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Re: first PE plus game- have questions
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2016, 07:47:00 AM »
no leakage on the battery. i actually have 2 of these games.  the one in the pics has a replacement lithium battery. the other a replacement varta battery ( dead, but no leakage) . which is correct? the varta looks out of place to me

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Re: first PE plus game- have questions
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2016, 09:12:44 AM »
no leakage on the battery. i actually have 2 of these games.  the one in the pics has a replacement lithium battery. the other a replacement varta battery ( dead, but no leakage) . which is correct? the varta looks out of place to me
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Re: first PE plus game- have questions
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2016, 10:34:36 AM »
the lithium is the working unit that sometimes does the memory thing. the other board the varta  battery is stone dead, and i havent worked on the machine yet.

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Re: first PE plus game- have questions
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2016, 10:38:28 AM »
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Re: first PE plus game- have questions
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2016, 10:59:24 AM »
I would remove the Varta battery. It looks like that's all someone had to use. Replace it with a half AA Lithium battery.
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Re: first PE plus game- have questions
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2016, 12:14:28 PM »
If I understand what you are saying you have 2 of these machines. If so that's good because you can swap parts from one machine to another to figure out what is causing the memory reset problem you described. It might be the mpu board, but could be something else like power supply. The 1/2 AA battery is the correct one, any battery of the correct voltage can be connected and the mpu won't know the difference. But many people have had the green Varta battery leak and damage their mpu board so I'd remove it and replace with the correct one. You can use a 1/2 AA battery with solder leads (pigtails), or you can install a battery holder and the 1/2 AA battery can then be easily changed whenever needed.

The burned out bulbs should have a number written on them, take a look at one and you can find replacements. Or others here familiar with the PE+ can say for sure which bulb it uses. Is it just some of the player pushbutton bulbs that are not working, other bulbs and lamps are ok? Be careful when removing the pushbutton cover or button assembly to replace the bulb, that plastic can get fragile over the years. One way is to unscrew the plastic nut under the button and remove the entire assembly for a good cleaning and replace the bulb in the process. Or you may be able to just remove the top button cover and then remove the bad bulb.

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Re: first PE plus game- have questions
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2016, 08:16:08 PM »
If you're going to desolder the old battery and remove it, you might as well put in a battery holder and only ever solder once.  I used the simple and cheap 1/2AA battery holders (search ebay) and dremelled a tiny slot on the bottom to bend the wire straight out.  Then I place fit on the MPU board and snip off wire I don't need and solder into place.  Then just buy standard 1/2AA batteries without the attached wires and install as shown.  A better looking solution and likely easier to solder into place without any mods are these Keystone 1016 holders ( http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/keystone-electronics/1016/36-1016-ND/2137844 & battery clip http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/keystone-electronics/1024C/36-1024C-ND/2746326 ) buy as many or few as you need.  Now you can simply pop out the old one and pop in a new battery or remove the battery for long term storage without the fear of damage to the MPU board.  Hope that works out for you.

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Re: first PE plus game- have questions
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2016, 08:57:50 AM »
here are pics. the bonus 25c poker has a chip a U66 that the deuces 25c poker doesnt have.  i assume thats correct, the dueces game was before it died.

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Re: first PE plus game- have questions
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2016, 08:59:19 AM »
2nd board

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Re: first PE plus game- have questions
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2016, 09:20:06 AM »
here are pics. the bonus 25c poker has a chip a U66 that the deuces 25c poker doesnt have.  i assume thats correct, the dueces game was before it died.

Not sure, I was thinking the U66 DATA chip was needed on these boards, maybe it depends on the game software that is installed (single game vs multi-game software). Perhaps someone that knows will comment about this.

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I think your mpu boards are what is called a "superboard". These boards allow multi-game software to be installed so the player can pick from a menu of 5 games. These boards have the extra chip socket at U66. But if an older single-game software is installed the U66 socket will be empty.



..... cant find a plus manual in  the archives. will a non plus do the job?.....

thanks
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There are some PE+ manuals in the download area, is this where you looked?

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=downloads;cat=92

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=downloads;cat=75

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Re: first PE plus game- have questions
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2016, 09:34:35 AM »
on the board with the missing data chip, i meant to say the game was known to be working before it stopped, so i assume  it had no chip.   it did have a varta battery in place of the lithium , so who know, maybe the data chip was removed ?

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Re: first PE plus game- have questions
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2016, 09:48:09 AM »
So does either machine work with one of the mpu boards?
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Re: first PE plus game- have questions
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2016, 09:53:08 AM »
i havent tried the working board in the non working game( yet). i dont have set up and clear chips yet, and i dont want to cause some kind of mismatch i cant clear.  im tempted to, but im waiting for the chips to arrive.  im also going to wait until i get a answer on the missing data chip

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Re: first PE plus game- have questions
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2016, 09:55:23 AM »
I think your mpu boards are what is called a "superboard". They allowed the newer multi-game software sets to be installed so the player could pick from a menu of 5 games. These boards have the extra chip socket at U66. But if older single-game software is installed the U66 socket will be empty. I think that's what is going on with the board with empty U66 location. So there isn't supposed to be a chip at U66 since the game software on that board is for a single game.
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Re: first PE plus game- have questions
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2016, 09:56:24 AM »
thanks for those manual links, dont know how i didnt see that

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Re: first PE plus game- have questions
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2016, 09:58:27 AM »
the working game with the data chip does have 5 game select. the no chip game i dont know, as its not working. if i put the working board in, will i get a mismatch that will need to be re-set up?

 

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