Author Topic: s plus with wba13 rejects bills (Read 10420 times)

puckhead · « **on:** July 12, 2016, 03:56:20 PM »

i have an s plus that appears to have been messed with a lot. the BV power supply was missing. i put one in and the BV , wba13 , was dead, not even cycle on start up. my unit from my s2000 would cycle, but not work ( id 24) . i bought a wba13 head /transport , tested , and marked as ID 23. it cycles, but rejects bills, and the front panel light never lights. the mpu has been enabled , 9-1. there is a 3 wire plus coming out of the BV harness that goes nowhere and i dont see anyplace to put it. could that be it? the two cables from the power supply are hooked up. there is a 4 wire plus with 2 wires in it plugged into another 4 wire plus with two wires. those wires run over to the front door. all the dips are off. i put the BV into my s2000 just to see, and got a BV comm error which i guess is expected, as its looking for an id 24

thanks

RB · « **Reply #1 on:** July 12, 2016, 04:04:12 PM »

The 3 wire connector is not used. Try swapping the head. Any US WBA head will interchange regardless of ID.

puckhead · « **Reply #2 on:** July 12, 2016, 04:38:45 PM »

the head from my s2000 will work in my s plus, and vis a versa? isnt the id # programmed in the head?

ps- i forgot the pics. even though the 3 wire isnt used, i'll upload them anyway

thanks

RB · « **Reply #3 on:** July 12, 2016, 04:44:05 PM »

The flash or eprom is on the PCB in the transport not the head.

puckhead · « **Reply #4 on:** July 12, 2016, 05:29:39 PM »

i should have known that, thanks. i swapped heads. the swapped head worked in my s2000, my s2000 head didnt work in my s plus. i also put the orig head from the s plus in my s2000 and it worked, so only the orig s plus transport was bad. at this point what am i looking at? bad BV harness? can i test the mpu to see if it sees the BV? could it be a power supply issue where there is 12 for the transport but no 5v for the head? do wba's have leds like the dvb's? i'm really getting in the weeds here now

thanks

RB · « **Reply #5 on:** July 12, 2016, 05:55:09 PM »

Your connections appear to be correct. I do not have an S plus machine to reference, only S2000s. You stated the BV is enabled. Is the denom properly set? You lost me on the LED question. Do you mean the lighted door bezel? I could not tell you if the power supply is good or not.

rickhunter · « **Reply #6 on:** July 12, 2016, 07:03:14 PM »

If they are both wba13's you can swap the eproms on the transport to try the known good one on the S+

jay · « **Reply #7 on:** July 12, 2016, 07:17:46 PM »

Is the S+ activated ?

You need a Set Chip to activate the S+ bill validator.
You can change heads until your blue in the face if its not activated its not taking bills.
Also if your credit limit is too low (set within the game chip) it won't accept a lot of credits and just reject the bill (far less likely).

puckhead · « **Reply #8 on:** July 12, 2016, 07:56:22 PM »

its activated and wont take a bill when it has zero credits

Jim · « **Reply #9 on:** July 13, 2016, 07:32:41 AM »

Mike, here are a few things to re check. what is the SS and SP chip you are using? do you have a set of the S+ diagnostic flip cards ( in downloads).

your three connections look correct, the four wire connector is the receive and transmit signals to the cpu board, they hook up via the large connector that comes off the power supply, that connector goes down to the mother board connector J-6 . the two pin connector provides 13 vdc to the WBA , the other two wire connector provides the signal to turn on the yellow bezel lamps on the front door.

make sure the denom lamp works, it should turn on as soon as you apply power to the machine, you can use this to check the two bulbs in the bezel on the front door, if the bulbs are good and they won't come on , use test #27_0 input test (flip cards) this should turn on the lamp bezel, if they still don't come on, measure the voltage at that two pin connector (black and white wire) should have +5vdc, if that there, then you could have a bad bezel board (sometimes the big transistor is missing from the board or it bad.

make sure the unit is enabled (9_1) and you have set a denomination, also check test #7 (flipcards) one sets the max hopper payout and the second value sets the bill credit.

when the unit accepts the bill, does the insert coin flash, then the bill is returned? if so , then you SP chip is ID 022 instead of Id 023, flip Dip switch #2 to change the IDO setting.

check these things out and post the results. lastly, don't go swapping heads between units, I have calibrated the head to that unit to maximize acceptance, when you start swapping heads you could affect that.

Jim

puckhead · « **Reply #10 on:** July 13, 2016, 10:31:57 AM »

i have the flip cards, but still have to fully understand them. i went to the BV bezel test, and they did not light. i did a ram clear and set up the BV, that went well. it takes quarters no problem. if i insert a bill, it does flash the insert coin light. i set dip 2 to on, and it does the same thing, rejects the bill and flashes the insert coin light. if there are credits on the game, the max bet button will blink twice. the chip is a 731, the reel chip has no label on it. both look to be burned eproms.

hair puller

thanks

rickhunter · « **Reply #11 on:** July 13, 2016, 11:37:45 AM »

If the game plays with coins it is not a problem with the chips. Does the validator actually take the bill in and then reject it, or does it not even take the bill to read it?

puckhead · « **Reply #12 on:** July 13, 2016, 02:26:27 PM »

takes in bills, holds them a bit, then back out.

i previously posted:
if i insert a bill, it does flash the insert coin light. i set dip 2 to on, and it does the same thing, rejects the bill and flashes the insert coin light. if there are credits on the game, the max bet button will blink twice. the chip is a 731, the reel chip has no label on it. both look to be burned eproms.

thanks

RB · « **Reply #13 on:** July 13, 2016, 03:50:41 PM »

What is the coin denom set at (option 6)?

puckhead · « **Reply #14 on:** July 13, 2016, 04:11:31 PM »

i believe 25 cent. that what i set the bv up for. how to i get to option 6 to verify?

Jim · « **Reply #15 on:** July 13, 2016, 07:55:53 PM »

since you have a 731 chip it is user friendly, meaning you can use the buttons to go through the menus, bet 1 will advance the menus, bet max will reverse the menus, when you get to a menu you can use the service button to advance through that menu.

the coin played number indicates the menu you are in, example, #3 in the coins played window is the hopper test, when you press the spin button it will turn on the hopper and count out ten coins.

the denomination test is #6 in the coins played window, the handle solenoid will lock in [place and the number you set should be in the winner paid window, if you press the spin button the number will not change, if it does, then it is not set .

what is the bill credit limit set on? test#7 second number.

Jim

rickhunter · « **Reply #16 on:** July 13, 2016, 09:55:54 PM »

Are you sure your transport is IDO22/23? Did the supplier specifically say it was ido22/23? Just for kicks, swap the entire transport/head mech into your s2000 to see if it works, if it does, then you have the wrong software on the validator. Also on your SP Chip, your credit limit is equal to your hopper limit which is setup using the dip switches on the mpu board. There should be a chart on the tray that indicates the switch positions and what they mean.

puckhead · « **Reply #17 on:** July 14, 2016, 05:10:37 AM »

i did try it in the s2000, no communication error, so its 22/23. i'll look at the dips

puckhead · « **Reply #18 on:** July 14, 2016, 06:01:32 AM »

1,2,3 are on, the rest off. is that correct?

thanks

Ken · « **Reply #19 on:** July 14, 2016, 06:13:11 AM »

I don't remember which way is which for off and on but I think the switches are suppose to be down for in service.

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