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Re: WHAT"S WRONG WITH THE GAME CARD
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2017, 09:31:58 AM »
So the Seller buys 25  or 50 Bally 2 gb cards for $3 each in a fire sale from an electronics recycler on ebay.  Removes the original label, and copies a new game to it, then goes out of his way to make a poor label that mimics what that label should look like to fool a potential buyer when they receive the card.  Knowing that he has just made a counterfeit card, he purposely does not display the card in his auction so he doesn't get caught doing this, all for a price of $150 or $350 or even $450. 

Pretty dishonest in my opinion. 

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Re: WHAT"S WRONG WITH THE GAME CARD
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2017, 06:08:54 AM »
Well, now it seems that the crook selling counterfeit software has joined as a member of NLG.  His user name is BRAVA2016.  Buyer beware.
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Re: WHAT"S WRONG WITH THE GAME CARD
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2018, 01:53:21 AM »
See I don’t know about you guys but I personally don’t care if it works, I don’t want to BUY non-original software. Now me personally, and some may disagree, but... I do get copies made of original software that I’m only using if the card becomes corrupted. If I sold the OEM copy I would immediately DESTROY the copy. Because to me I only have the right to a game I paid for.

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Re: WHAT"S WRONG WITH THE GAME CARD
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2018, 02:00:13 AM »
Well, now it seems that the crook selling counterfeit software has joined as a member of NLG.  His user name is BRAVA2016.  Buyer beware.


Profile for that user shows that he joined NLG back in Nov 2016. ??

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Re: WHAT"S WRONG WITH THE GAME CARD
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2018, 07:08:17 AM »
Well, now it seems that the crook selling counterfeit software has joined as a member of NLG.  His user name is BRAVA2016.  Buyer beware.


Profile for that user shows that he joined NLG back in Nov 2016. ??

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=profile;u=3213


He is a troll, just lurks in the background.  Has made 5 posts since joining.  Makes no meaningful contribution.
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Re: WHAT"S WRONG WITH THE GAME CARD
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2018, 12:39:31 PM »
I think this is a case of buyer beware.....

If you know you are buying a counterfeit and don't care, that's up to you. A $20 Louis Vuitton purse next to the $20 Channel on the beach of Barcelona seems like a deal  but there are no real pretenses that these are anything but copies. If you get locked up or fined or for possession of counterfeit or in the case of software, stolen intellectual property, that is the consequences of your actions. Louis V actively persecutes counterfeiters as they believe that copies of their product diminishes its brand value and they are materially harmed as those purchasing a fake will no longer buy their expensive goods. I don't think someone in the market for a $20 fake would ever actually consider buying the real thing but that might just be me. I think this case is easier to make with software as in effect a copy is a clone and the company that owns the intellectual property has been harmed with one less sale. Copyrights also have an expiry because when a company stops manufacturing something, after market is the only place to get some items. Ie Car parts. No one has been harmed if you buy a 3rd party water pump if the original manufacturer isn't making them anymore.

To the comment of buyer beware - you should always ask the question - Is this OEM or a copy. If the seller mis-represents it as original and its not - then they are a scum bag that should be reported.
You also have a bit of recourse with Ebay to say that the item you received is not as advertised. If you are honestly told its a copy go back to my first point.
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Re: WHAT"S WRONG WITH THE GAME CARD
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2018, 09:47:40 PM »
I know everything I said seemed quite rhetorical. But, i’m trying to figure out the legality line...If I own a copy of a game I bought legitimately, just in case (accidents do happen you know)...is that breaking the law. My understanding is no, if, I never sell the copy, destroy the copy if I sell the OEM, etc.

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Re: WHAT"S WRONG WITH THE GAME CARD
« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2018, 10:17:44 PM »

I think you have it right.
Anything you own you are legitimately allowed to make a backup. Including multiple archives.


There was a big to-do about people not being able to copy certain DVDs due to copy protection. Some one created software to descramble it and create a unencrypted copy. The studios took the software guy to court and lost. The crux of the ruling was that they don't have to make it easy for you to copy but they can't stop you from making backups of something you own.


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Re: WHAT"S WRONG WITH THE GAME CARD
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2018, 10:33:24 PM »
I'm not so sure about this,,,

The software agreement or license depends on the company that creates the software. Slot machine software was not created for the home market or individual owners like us. It was made for a casino business to use in specific slot machines made by the same company that creates the software. So I doubt that they permitted the casino to make backup copies. Even if a casino did make a backup copy of the software I don't thing think the gaming regulators would allow them to use "backup" software, things like that are tightly controlled.   

On used machines that become privately owned by hobbyists you still can't assume copying rights of the software since that right was never permitted by the copyright holder, and it's their decision since it's their property.

The question was about the legit ability & right to make copies for personal backup use, I don't think it exists on slot machine software. With other software such as computer software or music I think you can make a case for doing that. But slot machines were never designed for a private home to be used as a game or arcade machine like an x-box or Commodore 64. Just because you buy the machine I don't think that conveys a right to copy the software in it. Nowadays nearly all software is sold with the rights to use it, and not the rights of ownership. Do a google search for EULA to see more about this.

Something for the lawyers to sort out.

In the real world I doubt that IGT is going to knock on your door for making copies of their software, unless you get bigtime into selling it on a large scale. It is the making of copies AND selling them that leads to trouble. You know it probably happens overseas all the time, as people upgrade, convert and repair old slot machines still in use.
 
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Re: WHAT"S WRONG WITH THE GAME CARD
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2018, 10:43:15 PM »
Kinda comes down to the same dance as owning a slot machine.  Use common sense, and manage/protect your private environment/investments the best way that makes sense to you. 


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Re: WHAT"S WRONG WITH THE GAME CARD
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2018, 06:42:32 AM »
Since this topic seems to have morphed into a discussion about copyright infringement in general, below is a link to a law suite in AZ concerning selling copies of WMS games.  Since SG now owns WMS and Bally, I presume they take the same dim view on selling copies of their intellectual property.

https://www.law360.com/articles/471270/slots-dealer-pays-3m-to-settle-casino-game-copyright-suit

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Re: WHAT"S WRONG WITH THE GAME CARD
« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2018, 12:25:13 PM »
I'm not so sure about this,,,

The software agreement or license depends on the company that creates the software. Slot machine software was not created for the home market or individual owners like us. It was made for a casino business to use in specific slot machines made by the same company that creates the software. So I doubt that they permitted the casino to make backup copies. Even if a casino did make a backup copy of the software I don't thing think the gaming regulators would allow them to use "backup" software, things like that are tightly controlled.   

On used machines that become privately owned by hobbyists you still can't assume copying rights of the software since that right was never permitted by the copyright holder, and it's their decision since it's their property.

The question was about the legit ability & right to make copies for personal backup use, I don't think it exists on slot machine software. With other software such as computer software or music I think you can make a case for doing that. But slot machines were never designed for a private home to be used as a game or arcade machine like an x-box or Commodore 64. Just because you buy the machine I don't think that conveys a right to copy the software in it. Nowadays nearly all software is sold with the rights to use it, and not the rights of ownership. Do a google search for EULA to see more about this.

Something for the lawyers to sort out.

In the real world I doubt that IGT is going to knock on your door for making copies of their software, unless you get bigtime into selling it on a large scale. It is the making of copies AND selling them that leads to trouble. You know it probably happens overseas all the time, as people upgrade, convert and repair old slot machines still in use.
 
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This... is exactly why I asked I certainly don’t WANT to read through WMS’s EULA but I would if I could find it. My point is in general the legality is a sort of grey area and I wanted others interpretations. All though I will say WMS in particular will sell you a brand new machine for home use so I know they would probably take this into account when writing the EULA.

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Re: WHAT"S WRONG WITH THE GAME CARD
« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2018, 04:03:04 PM »
Ruby,  That's the first I ever heard of that wms selling machines to home users--They are all SG now anyway.  I suppose if you have a good account with casino connections that may be possible if one wanted to pay that high price--I mean high.  Don't jive with me.  Also they track Everything machine wise.  Perhaps you can tell me something I do not know?. 

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Re: WHAT"S WRONG WITH THE GAME CARD
« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2018, 05:03:25 PM »
After giving this topic some thought-Just got of the shower and thought about it.  Jeff is not wrong by any means in His original post and topic about what He stated.  I am Quite sure that people are looking into Him(general) and others.  A copied anything by the way leaves a signature and a date-Just have to be able to see/find it-It's there in all of them.  I have copies here for MY own use and use them for myself and do not sell, exploit others with that.  That's called doing the correct thing.  Greedy people exploit, infringe and lie to make money--I would like to think they have what's coming to them.  Software-  Here's what I DO know.   
Most of this is all leased/licensed software.  Do you think the casino owns it?  9/10--NO.   The machines are removed and the software at that time and slated to be Re-Located or shipped back to headquarters.    The Manufacturer CANNOT re sell the software as it's in the software where it came from and was sold.  This is why software is to be destroyed.  There are also Recended versions that have slight bugs in them that were fixed and upgraded. Most ALL of the things you see that "are to good to be true" Are STOLEN.    That's a FACT. Lot's more to say about all this but put that in your pipe and smoke it.  B. 
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Re: WHAT"S WRONG WITH THE GAME CARD
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2018, 05:52:42 PM »
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