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Re: S-Plus New Owner
« Reply #60 on: January 22, 2017, 01:36:57 AM »

You said it paid just fine before.  Did you change the coin denomination in that same time? 

Not the same time, a few week earlier, but as knagl said i play at credit mode and did not pay attention to this. It got obvious when i switched to cash mode.
Ok so i have to use lorger 5 coins and no possibility to change hopper options?

Yes i can try to use 1 hrivnya coin mentioned by off-track but it is not popular here and it takes alot of time to collect so big number of 1 hrivnya coins to fill hopper )

Thanx for help! the main thing is machine is ok and think i can solve this small coins issue

BTW as off-track said this machine is designed for old French coins- Francs (. does it means IGT designed each hopper for specific country and no possibility to change options?

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Re: S-Plus New Owner
« Reply #61 on: January 22, 2017, 06:48:40 AM »
IGT makes the hopper for various coin physical sizes, depending on who and where the machine is originally sold to. It is possible to convert the hopper for use with a different coin size, within a range of sizes that IGT allowed for. To convert your hopper for use with a coin the size of Ukraine 50k you would need to change the pinwheel and possibly other parts. But it might be easier to get metal tokens that are the correct size for your hopper so you don't have to do any conversion to the hopper. Metal tokens are often for sale on ebay, whatever coin or token you use would ideally be the same size as the French coin the hopper is setup for now. Another idea is to obtain a bag of the old French coins if they are still available, but most were probably traded in for EU money when France discontinued the Franc. There could be other European or Russian coins that are the correct size you need and that are easily obtained.
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Re: S-Plus New Owner
« Reply #62 on: January 22, 2017, 07:06:18 AM »
ok thanx. most clever decission is to stay with 5k coins. It is not gamble couse it is very little nominated coin (i think even hobos are not heppy to give it) but almost ideal for my hopper.

can you explait pays for this match (foto)? i plaeyd 3 coins game and winner paid is 960 coins. but there is no such awards on scale

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Re: S-Plus New Owner
« Reply #63 on: January 22, 2017, 07:12:45 AM »
Since there are 2 Double Pepper symbols they both match the Green 7. Since each Double Pepper is a double multiplier that is now 4 times 240 .. which is 960.

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Re: S-Plus New Owner
« Reply #64 on: January 22, 2017, 07:16:26 AM »
Here we can go to a bank and exchange paper money for coins, all US coins that are legal and in current use are kept on hand at the bank. Does Ukraine banks have 5k coins available for people to obtain? (maybe if value of 5k coin is so insignificant then banks no longer use them?)

Also, did you verify that it is not possible to lower the hopper optic sensor (coin counter) so that it can "see" the smaller 50k coin?
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Re: S-Plus New Owner
« Reply #65 on: January 22, 2017, 07:40:27 AM »
Here we can go to a bank and exchange paper money for coins, all US coins that are legal are kept on hand at the bank. Does Ukraine banks have 5k coins available for people to obtain?

Also, did you verify that it is not possible to lower the hopper optic sensor (coin counter) so that it can "see" the smaller 50k coin?
yes sure all coins are leagal but both people and bank avoid to give it as a change couse it is so small nominated. I think most of people never take 1k,2, and 5k as a change but jusl leave it on cash desk. it is heavy and nothing to buy for it. I think chipest good`s price start from 25k. so to buy one small box of matches you need to pay 5 coins of 5k wich are pretty heavy to carry in purse.
I did not try to verify my hopper. I`m not sure it will be ok after my interference )
Since there are 2 Double Pepper symbols they both match the Green 7. Since each Double Pepper is a double multiplier that is now 4 times 240 .. which is 960.
so everything works smooth.

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Re: S-Plus New Owner
« Reply #66 on: January 22, 2017, 07:49:11 AM »
yes sure all coins are leagal but both people and bank avoid to give it as a change couse it is so small nominated. I think most of people never take 1k,2, and 5k as a change but jusl leave it on cash desk. it is heavy and nothing to buy for it. I think chipest good`s price start from 25k. so to buy one small box of matches you need to pay 5 coins of 5k wich are pretty heavy to carry in purse.
I did not try to verify my hopper. I`m not sure it will be ok after my interference )

so everything works smooth.

ok, now I understand there is shortage of 5k coins because their value is so low. Happy to hear that your machine is working properly. I was hoping that an adjustment to the optic sensor to move it lower would allow 50k coin to be counted properly, but such adjustment may not be possible, if it was I would think someone else here would have said something about doing that.

Where did you get your machine, is there casino nearby that sells old equipment? It appears that it was originally operated in France or some French country.
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Re: S-Plus New Owner
« Reply #67 on: January 22, 2017, 08:10:02 AM »
I buy it from some guy who kept it at his room. I have no idea where he got this machine but it seems he use it like coat rack. also i dont know why i bought it, but now i understand it was good idea becouse the machine is very funny.
Gaming bussines is unleagal in Ukraine since 2006 but using slots and video pokers in privat is not prohibited. Sure there are unleagal gaming rooms but they use video games not slots. Slot machine is realy cool as for game and as a part of decoration. Problem is it is very rare here and most of them are in awful conditions. and i already said before there are not experts and replacemenst parts here. Thats why i have to hassle you with endless questions )

yes my machine is from France i think couse all lables and glases in Franch

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Re: S-Plus New Owner
« Reply #68 on: January 22, 2017, 08:38:55 AM »
....also i dont know why i bought it, but now i understand it was good idea becouse the machine is very funny....

That happens here too.   :garfield:

.... and i already said before there are not experts and replacemenst parts here. Thats why i have to hassle you with endless questions ).....

No problem on the questions, that is what NLG is for. And the problems and solutions discussed will help others that read this thread in the future. We are happy to have you here. The Hot Peppers machine is still found in casinos here, was a popular game.

About your user name "NHBFan", is NHB a sports team there?
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Re: S-Plus New Owner
« Reply #69 on: January 22, 2017, 10:59:20 AM »

No problem on the questions, that is what NLG is for. And the problems and solutions discussed will help others that read this thread in the future. We are happy to have you here. The Hot Peppers machine is still found in casinos here, was a popular game.

About your user name "NHBFan", is NHB a sports team there?
Thank you! NLG forum helps me alot. When i bought my machine it was half working with wrong chips inside. Now it is fully working home entertainment.
Is it still possible to find spear parts of my type machine? Like glasses or reel strips? Not necessary rigth now just in case

NHB is old name of MMA (sport like UFC). It was common used in late 90

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Re: S-Plus New Owner
« Reply #70 on: January 22, 2017, 11:32:48 AM »
Thousands of the IGT S Plus machines were produced and many are still around today. So spare parts are normally available, especially the common parts like circuit boards, cabinet pieces and wiring cables that are not game-theme specific, although the parts are likely to be used parts instead of new. Specific game-theme parts like the glass signage (upper and belly glass) and the reel strips can be harder to find since those parts were made in smaller quantities. But the Hot Peppers machine was popular so you should be able to find parts for it for some time to come. I believe there are different versions of the Hot Peppers machine, such as 2 coin, 3 coin, roundtop cabinet, etc.

You can browse the websites for the various slot machine dealers listed on the NLG website homepage, or contact them and ask about any parts you need:
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php

And of course there are lots of other US slot machine vendors on the internet and on ebay. Some of these vendors may not ship parts outside the US, that will depend on the individual business policy. Here is an example of one company:
http://www.spininc.com/

Also, your S Plus machine was based on the older model called "IGT S". Some of the parts for the S model will work on your S Plus.

You can view information about S Plus machines at this link, click on the top menu where it says "2 CM" and "3 CM", then look for Hot Peppers variations.

http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/
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Re: S-Plus New Owner
« Reply #71 on: January 22, 2017, 12:33:15 PM »
question for home slots users. Do you keep your machine power on all the time? Or turn it on just for short play time? Is it OK is machine switched off most of time?

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« Reply #72 on: January 22, 2017, 01:03:29 PM »
You will find different opinions on this. As far as the machine part of it, they are designed and built for commercial use, to be powered on 24 hours a day, everyday. But they also have a limited expected lifetime in casino use of just a few years before getting replaced by newer machines. So I doubt if IGT was concerned about designing them for 50 years operation or for use by hobbyists at home. Mechanically they are built very rugged, to stand up to the abuse of players in a casino. But the electronics inside is a lot like any other electronic device, it doesn't last forever and can be hurt by heat, component aging, etc. There is also a concern that the reel strips can get faded by prolonged exposure to the machine's internal heat and light (incandescent and fluorescent),,,, as well as any sunlight coming in from a nearby window since it contains UV rays.

Many people feel that if you are not going to be playing it again for a while to switch it off. Use a power strip so you don't have to open the door each time to use the power switch inside the machine. That way you aren't wasting electricity, not adding unwanted heat to the room, not taking a chance on an electrical storm or surge damaging the machine.

Others like the look of the machine when it is lit up, so they leave it on all the time, especially if they just have 1 or 2 machines. But the elec wattage used may surprise you. See this discussion:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=4499.0

When the machine is switched off the battery on the mpu board keeps the cmos ram chip powered so it can retain certain settings and other data. This cmos chip uses very little battery power so the battery should last quite a while and it isn't hard to replace when needed. I wouldn't keep a machine powered on just to avoid replacing the battery.
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Re: S-Plus New Owner
« Reply #73 on: January 25, 2017, 11:48:15 AM »
What about hopper capasity? My hopper is less than half full now, but all new coins go to spare bunker (small one with hole on the bottom)
What does it mean? i cant to put more coins in the hopper?

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Re: S-Plus New Owner
« Reply #74 on: January 25, 2017, 11:58:13 AM »
There is a part called the coin diverter, it sends coins to the overflow area when the machine thinks the hopper is full. The coin diverter is mounted below the coin comparitor and it moves one way to send the coin to the hopper or the diverter moves the opposite way to send coins to the overflow hole in bottom of machine.

On your hopper there is an adjustment, it is either a probe that sticks into the hopper bowl or it is a weight switch at the bottom of the hopper bowl. That way you can increase the number of coins that go into the hopper before the diverter starts sending them to the overflow. But your hopper may be setup ok, sometimes there is a defect that causes the coin diverter to stay in the overflow position even if the hopper has more room for coins and it is set properly. If you examine the coin diverter you will see how it works. Sometimes people tie the diverter into one position so it always sends coins to the hopper if there is a defect that can't be fixed easily. Look for a wire that runs along the front side of the hopper, it may be pinched or disconnected and touching the metal chassis.

Can you post a photo of the inside of your door showing the coin diverter and path, and the front outside of your hopper?
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Re: S-Plus New Owner
« Reply #75 on: January 25, 2017, 12:30:37 PM »
thank you! Where is this ahopper adjustment to increase the number of coins?
I think coin deverter is ok couse if i take handful of coins from the hopper it starts to send in to hopper again

sorry for offtop but what about this slots? looks weird
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Re: S-Plus New Owner
« Reply #76 on: January 25, 2017, 01:27:26 PM »
Just above the on/off switch but on the hopper bowl you can see the ground wire/screw head .. move the screw up a couple of holes and see if the takes care of the coins being diverted to the overflow.

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Re: S-Plus New Owner
« Reply #77 on: January 25, 2017, 02:44:21 PM »
Look inside your hopper bowl, there is a metal probe sticking in there thru a hole in the side of the hopper. When the metal coins get high enough in the bowl to touch the probe they complete a ground connection to the wire attached to the probe and that tells the mpu that the hopper is full, that's when the coin diverter gets activated. Just move the hopper level probe to a higher position, or disconnect the wire going to the probe and insulate it so it doesn't touch chassis metal ground.
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Re: S-Plus New Owner
« Reply #78 on: January 26, 2017, 11:22:07 AM »
Thank you guys! Moved wire to higher hole and now everything is ok. Is it not a problem to use full hoppper? I mean is it safe for hopper machanism? may be lot of coins are to heavy or it is ok?

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Re: S-Plus New Owner
« Reply #79 on: January 26, 2017, 11:27:23 AM »
The hopper is built strong enough to hold all the coins up to the top. Shouldn't cause a problem if full, as long as the top of coin level is no higher than the highest probe hole. If too many coins are in the hopper you could have an inserted coin hit the top of the coin pile and then bounce out of hopper and into something electrical in the lower cabinet.   

If you want to remove the hopper when it is full it will be heavy so be prepared, may want to remove some coins first. Some people or places don't want to have a lot of money (coins) sitting inside the machine in the hopper so they place the hopper probe in lower hole, but when large payout occurs and hopper does not have enough coins a human comes to pay the winner (and smile to possibly get a tip from big winner).

Here is a chart to give you an idea about how many coins the hopper can hold, depending on the size of the coins and on which hole the probe is inserted into:
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