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Re: Hopper stops after 1 coin out.
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2016, 04:56:46 PM »
The odds reset relay allows odds reset solenoid to work. Find that relay and push it down to see if solenoid fires.
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Re: Hopper stops after 1 coin out.
« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2016, 06:21:09 AM »
This is the upper unit that I think all the problems are coming from. From the pics anything looks like a problem.

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Re: Hopper stops after 1 coin out.
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2016, 02:01:38 PM »
Paul,

Attached are photos of a resistor and the odds reset relay. The resistor is located in these switch stacks, second set down.
Not sure you can reach in with a dowel rod or narrow stick and press the top of the odds reset relay with the machine on.
This relay resets the odds unit back to 1 coin. See if that works.

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Re: Hopper stops after 1 coin out.
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2016, 06:05:03 PM »
If you can remove your top lite or drop it down you can see the relays and press them down -- carefully
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Re: Hopper stops after 1 coin out.
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2016, 05:48:16 PM »
I think I may have found the problem. I've attached some pics to explain that it might be another coil C28-1100.  I removed the light and watched the coil and when the first coin was inserted the plunger on the coil did not go up it was after the second coin the coil plunger went up. After the payout the coil plunger never came back down I had to manually push it down. It seems that the coil is not resetting? the insert coin light worked and the 1-5 coin lights worked as they should, and the arm worked as it should, but as long as the coil shaft/plunger remained up nothing worked. So is it possible that coil is bad.   [/size]

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Re: Hopper stops after 1 coin out.
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2016, 07:49:52 PM »
Paul,


Best to test the coil to see if it works. Going to set up a little test in the morning.
Using the coin switch as the power source and two jumpers to a coil.
Making all connections with the machine off. Re-power the machine and hit the switch to see what happens.
This is the easiest way I can think of without having a spare transform for testing.
Let me give it a try first as I don't want your machine to get damaged.
Anyone else have an easy way to test a coil please post.


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Re: Hopper stops after 1 coin out.
« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2016, 08:20:36 PM »
Your odds reset solenoid also has an odds reset relay that makes the solenoid fire. Find that relay and push it down it should make the solenoid work.  Looks like a 21 wire to the relay coil.   Look at your 'odds open at 0 switches for proper adjustment. They are sticking up below your reset solenoid and opened/closed by tabs on your white plastic odds gear...
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Re: Hopper stops after 1 coin out.
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2016, 08:27:14 PM »
You can test a coil by jumping a wire from the 30 wire (solid yellow) to the NON-orange side of the coil with it in circuit. Out of machine you need orange jumper and solid yellow jumper to fire any 50V coil.   To check all coils in top unit jumper orange to any orange on any coil and then touch yellow jumper to other side of any coil. You only need to jump to one orange as they are all the same connection
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Re: Hopper stops after 1 coin out.
« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2016, 08:31:48 PM »
Thanks Mr. Reno,


Great easy way to test a coil.
I inlarged your reply on the iPad and took a screen shot of it for reference.

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Re: Hopper stops after 1 coin out.
« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2016, 08:39:53 PM »
There is a picture of his odds relay in post #22.. It's the lower relay.
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Re: Hopper stops after 1 coin out.
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2016, 02:43:46 PM »
OK took a jumper wire from the yellow on the coil and when the plunger was up and not resetting took the other end of the jumper and touched it to a blue wire off one of the other coils and it went down.

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Re: Hopper stops after 1 coin out.
« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2016, 03:21:48 PM »
You can check your relays (coil with switches and plate to actuate them) and your solenoid (big coil with plunger that does mechanical movement). Now realize the odds unit will only reset with 2 or more coins played. If one coin only then it does not need to reset. So play 2 coins and then reach into top unit & push down on odds reset relay armature. You should then hear odds reset solenoid fire and coin light go back to one coin
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Re: Hopper stops after 1 coin out.
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2016, 04:40:20 PM »
Yes that's exactly what happened. 2 coins in plunger went up, I pressed the reset plunger back down and the coin light went back to one.

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Re: Hopper stops after 1 coin out.
« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2016, 05:34:17 PM »
Did you push the odds reset relay or the odds reset solenoid???
The relay controls the solenoid. If the relay does not close its switches then machine cannot pulse the solenoid.

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Re: Hopper stops after 1 coin out.
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2016, 06:20:22 PM »
I assume the machine still doesn't take a coin(s).
There are a few switches in between that coil.  Maybe need cleaning, out of adjustment or loose wire.
Jon posted a link to a schematic awhile back. There are a couple on this form.
I'll see if I can send you a link or send a copy of the one I have.
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Re: Hopper stops after 1 coin out.
« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2016, 03:32:48 AM »
The machine takes coins but the issue is it will not reset. Mr. Reno I pushed down on the Reset Coil after the 2 coins were put in and like you said it reset back to 1 coin and all the lights functioned correctly. Again I'm not that good at the electrical end but I'm thinking it's that coil because everything works fine as soon as I reset the coil. The photo's IMG 2404 and 2410 are what I'm resetting.
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Re: Hopper stops after 1 coin out.
« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2016, 05:00:12 AM »
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=10610.0

A while back I had Reno post this it's really good information on the reset circuit he is much better spoken than I am it might help you out if you do actually need a call let me know I think I still have a hundred of those reset coils in stock

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Re: Hopper stops after 1 coin out.
« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2016, 11:52:26 AM »
Your pic 2406 shows odds reset relay. Pushing down on that makes the reset solenoid turn on.  (Only if you have played more than on coin. If you have jumpered and tested all the coils in your top unit and they all fired then you probably have an open switch. Look at the switches in 2404 -- they are your open at zero odds (1 coin played) and they (at least 2 of them )should close after 2nd coin in.
Zero odds means 1 coin plaYed. 1st odds means odds stepped one time which means 2 coins played  2 odds means 3 coins played etc.  watch those 4 sets of switches as you push down  the odds step up solenoid several times and then also when you push reset solenoid. Every switch on that stack should change position ( change state) at least once. No switch should stay either open. Or stay closed as you cycle the odds assy
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Re: Hopper stops after 1 coin out.
« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2016, 04:43:55 PM »
Hey guys, OK I've have traced the orange wires from the step up coil with one orange to the reset coil and the other orange from the reset coil to the beauplug and all is good. I've check the line unit step up relay and when the reset coil plunger is up it will activate the step up coil. When the reset coil plunger is up the line unit reset relay buzzes like crazy until I push down on the reset coil plunger, then everything works, meaning the 1-5 coin lights work and the insert coin and coin accepted works. When the reset coil plunger is down the wiper assembly advances as it should from 1-5 coins, as soon as I pull the arm the reset coil plunger remains up the wiper assy does not reset back the lights for the coins 1-5 remain lit and the insert coin light does not come on and the pull arm relay latch does not reset, BUT as soon as I push down on the reset coil all good. I looked up a reset coil on ebay, and by no means you guys are the experts and I'm going by your advise but everything I do comes back to that relay...can it be bad? I have another Ballys but don't want to start switching parts that machine works nice and I have the fear factor that I might screw up my other machine. 

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Re: Hopper stops after 1 coin out.
« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2016, 05:53:26 PM »
Ok first, the line unit (odds disc) does not reset until you push down on the coin in switch on the door. That starts a new game and resets the odds.
Your line unit reset relay and the reset solenoid BOTH use the "open at zero" switches as in my last post. If they are not closed after 2nd coin is inserted, then they will not get signal to reset the odds.
Please verify that your open at zero odds sws are closing after 2 coins in. If they don't you won't get reset of odds.
Step up your odds unit by hand and watch those switches. If you have tested/jumpered your odds reset relay coil and it works then that is not the problem.  Please check those switches for proper working and also the odds reset relay sws too.   
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