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Re: V20 questions
« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2016, 06:04:57 AM »
Here are some pictures, maybe they'll help in some way.

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Re: V20 questions
« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2016, 02:07:17 PM »
I'm beginning to think the cpu doesn't recognize that there is a 2nd monitor available and doesn't send a signal to the 2nd vga port. This may be a compatibility issue with the video card. I have a Jaton Nvidia GeForce FX5200 228PCI-TWIN. I've looked but can't seem to find any other video card listed, I hope I have the right one. Has anyone heard of any compatibility issues with this card?
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Re: V20 questions
« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2016, 06:09:20 PM »
that should be the right card, the fact that you are getting an image means it is working correctly.  I didn't get around to trying the hot shot game with my v20/20 today with a 512MB mpu, but I will tomorrow for sure.  I think your issue is the mpu, but I will verify that for sure tomorrow.  I have to the load the game twice (once with the 1gb mpu to verify the game works with dual screen, and once with the 512mb mpu to see if the same problem you have happens to me as well.
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Re: V20 questions
« Reply #43 on: September 18, 2016, 07:05:36 PM »
Thanks! I really appreciate you doing that. I'll be interested to see if the problem repeats. The reason I mentioned compatibility as a potential source of the problem is because I noticed on more than a few PC forums that people with dual monitor issues were describing the same symptoms that I am encountering. Which is that both monitors show bios info until the splash screen appears then one monitor goes blank from signal loss. Sure sounded exactly like my problem but maybe I'm comparing apples to oranges when referring to pc's vs slot machines. In any case I sure hope to find an answer not just for me but for anyone experiencing a similar situation.
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Re: V20 questions
« Reply #44 on: September 18, 2016, 07:10:02 PM »
I am currently putting togther two more v-20/20 for customers.  I install a true 1-gig box which can be bumped to 2-gig to run some early a-2 titles. Your box is not going to work in my opinion. It does not have enough "balls" to drive this. Since you get video on top on boot on monitor is a good sign your dual vid. card is good.  I also question the game software as well.  You are going to wind up getting a 1-gig box-again my opinion.

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Re: V20 questions
« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2016, 08:28:49 AM »
So here's something interesting and maybe the info will be helpful in finding a solution. Out of curiosity and because I had nothing else to try I went ahead and installed the old 317 o/s and bios chip to see what would happen and amazingly the top monitor worked but it's showing the same game image as the lower not a separate 'glass' image up top. Not sure what this may indicate but at least I got it to display something even if it's still not correct.


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Re: V20 questions
« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2016, 06:55:19 PM »
Well, I tried it with both a 1ghz mpu (the one with dual memory slots) and a 512MB box, and other than longer loading times, the game displayed the Hot Shot Logo on the top screen like it is supposed to.  The only thing that appears to be different is the version of the game.  I have 10816B as shown in the photo.  This is a screenshot of my software versions.  I also took a screenshot of the game loaded in my cabinet with the 512MB MPU (It had not yet fully loaded, so it doesn't have the playscreen)


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Re: V20 questions
« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2016, 09:37:28 PM »
That's great to know and very helpful. Thanks so much for taking the time to do that. It's a relief to know that the hardware I have is capable. Looks like I'll be needing the correct software like you have, any idea where I can find it?
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Re: V20 questions
« Reply #48 on: September 20, 2016, 09:19:33 AM »
I'm curious about something.  Post a picture of your dual video graphics card, both sides of the card.
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Re: V20 questions
« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2016, 10:26:12 AM »
Ok, I'll do that as soon as I get home from work. I've had my suspensions about the video card as well...
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Re: V20 questions
« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2016, 10:48:33 AM »
The reason I ask it's because on PC's if the video cards don't have drivers, it defaults to standard vga.  If the game does not require the nvdia card to function (which it does not), then the card will automatically "clone" the displays if multiple monitors are connected if there's no video driver to control the card's output.  It is only through video drivers that the mpu can direct a different image to a different monitor port.  That explains why the old OS, which doesn't contain drivers for the video card, displays both screens cloned.  The newer os does have nvidia drivers, but if it is not the right type or correct vga bios version, it won't work right.  Your game being in the 2xxxx series, should be able to display both screens if mine, which is clearly an earlier revision, does.
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Re: V20 questions
« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2016, 11:07:40 AM »
That's kinda what I meant when I asked if any compatibility issue with this video card had been reported although I obviously didn't offer a detailed explanation or word it as elegantly as you did.
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Re: V20 questions
« Reply #52 on: September 20, 2016, 12:36:29 PM »
I had assumed you bought a known tested video card, but since you referred to the card by something other than a bally dual video card, maybe you bought a generic that does not have the right version of the vga bios to work on it.  I have two different revisions of the bally video card, so I can compare your board to what I have that I know works.  If it's the same, then we can assume it's the software at that point.
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Re: V20 questions
« Reply #53 on: September 20, 2016, 01:21:36 PM »
I bought the card brand new from a gaming vendor that listed it specifically for bally alpha 1 9000 series machines, in fact the exact same one was just listed on ebay today by a different vendor but they also say it is for the alpha 1. Here are the pictures of it.

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Re: V20 questions
« Reply #54 on: September 20, 2016, 01:36:32 PM »
I've looked all over the internet and everyone lists the same video card.
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Re: V20 questions
« Reply #55 on: September 20, 2016, 01:56:14 PM »
The card doesn't look like any I have seen before.  I have seen two types in the 30 or so video cards I've handled.  The vga bios version is very important since the Bally OS specifically only works with a specific card oem type.  That card is definitely not one that I have ever seen used in a bally machine.  The system identifies the card based on the PCI vendor ID information, if it doesn't match with what the Bally OS expects, it doesn't know it's there.  At this point, my best guess is that your video card's PCI Vendor ID does not match the one used by Bally, and thus your OS is not finding the card and it is using the card strictly as a frame buffer (i.e. plain VGA type).  The only way to know for sure is to try your software on a known working v20/20 or use a known to work Bally compatible video card.  When I get home today I will post photos of the two variations of cards I've seen over the last 2 or so years.  There may be an indication during post (boot) where the system displays the type of vga card it detects.  I will have to boot up a system and pay close attention to the entire boot process to verify that, but linux typically lists the vga PCI vendor ID as it probes for hardware.  When it comes to bally gaming hardware, and due to gaming certification, not all FX5200 pci cards will work, only those that match 100% with what bally got approved.
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Re: V20 questions
« Reply #56 on: September 20, 2016, 02:07:59 PM »
I understand what you're saying. If that is the case and this card is not compatible someone definitely needs to let all the gaming vendors know this because this is the one they are all selling currently.
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Re: V20 questions
« Reply #57 on: September 20, 2016, 02:19:12 PM »
What e-bay listing are talking about?
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Re: V20 questions
« Reply #58 on: September 20, 2016, 02:27:28 PM »
Search for Bally Alpha 1 Video Card and it pops right up.
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Re: V20 questions
« Reply #59 on: September 20, 2016, 02:47:52 PM »
i took a video of the bios on boot up so i could look at it frame by frame. here are snapshots of the info i believe you were talking about. the 1st photo was taken at the very end of boot up, the screen then goes black for a moment and then it pops up the info shown in the 2nd photo for only a millisecond, immediately after that the top monitor loses is signal.

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