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Can someone tell me how to test the cash can optics or can you by pass them on a I.G.T. s-plus? I think one of the two optics is bad so my DVB-200 does not light the bezel. Would unplugging the optics circuit or jumping the optic circuit do away with needing them?
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Re: how to test cash can optics or can you by pass them on IGT s-plus?
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2017, 10:39:43 PM »
From the archive.

We've made jumpers here using a set of good optics spliced to give some length to the connectors and then heat shrinked the optics together.

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Re: how to test cash can optics or can you by pass them on IGT s-plus?
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2017, 07:36:54 AM »
cash can optics:  does the bill unit make the two purge cycle operations ? first is a heavy grinding noise ( transport and the cash can meshing and resetting) second a smaller motor noise( the transport and head gears meshing).  if these are working, you should be able to pull out the cash can and the unit will begin cycling. it will cycle for several seconds then stop.  if it does this then the cash can optics are good. ( the unit sees the cash can not being there ,thus cycle).  usually the problem is in the black four pin connector on the front right side, one of the pins is usually bent or ?  check out these and us know the results, then we can advise.

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Re: how to test cash can optics or can you by pass them on IGT s-plus?
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2017, 09:40:12 AM »
Thank you for the reply's; when pulling the cash can out it doesn't cycle right away, its silent for the most part, it's when I shove the cash can in that it cycles. So I think you might be right that the optics could be working. The head was upgraded and tested by a good dealer, I have one unknown wire there 9see photos), it looks like it was for maybe the cash can door but the spade end of the wire would be much to big for the connections on the micro switch at the door so I don't know what it was for, it comes in from the back of the BV housing see photo's. I checked for bent pins on the plug in to the head on the right side and there ok. According to the how to video here, I get the maybe 8 "hard to hear" clunks at the end of the BV cycle on the start up cycle after power up, indication from the how to video's that there is something is wrong with the cash can optics: BUT it has stopped doing that now and just runs the regular cycle and doesn't light the bezel lights that indicate it is ready. I did use the set chip several times setting to 9-1 saving and then selecting coin amount and saving, power down and finish, 61 on start up, self test to 61-1, close and j/p reset.
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Re: how to test cash can optics or can you by pass them on IGT s-plus?
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2017, 10:29:13 AM »
the large spade connector was used to connect those two wires together. they should be connected together. if after the initial power up sequence is completed, anytime you remove the cash can the transport will know the can has been removed and will try to reset the can. it will try to do this 7/ 8 times and then stop. the large black connector with two wires on it (picture #1)  is the door bezel signal. you can check this by going into the machine input diagnostics  test #27, this will turn on the door bezel lamps ( provided they are good lamps) you can test these in the denom lamp, this has voltage as soon as the machine is turned on.

 if test #27 is good, and everything is enabled, AND YOU HAVE SET THE HOPPER AND BILL LIMITS IN TEST #7 then you probably have a mismatch on the IDO of the machine,  switch ten on the bottom of the head will tell you what it is set at.

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Re: how to test cash can optics or can you by pass them on IGT s-plus?
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2017, 11:00:29 AM »
the large spade connector was used to connect those two wires together. they should be connected together. if after the initial power up sequence is completed, anytime you remove the cash can the transport will know the can has been removed and will try to reset the can. it will try to do this 7/ 8 times and then stop. the large black connector with two wires on it (picture #1)  is the door bezel signal. you can check this by going into the machine input diagnostics  test #27, this will turn on the door bezel lamps ( provided they are good lamps) you can test these in the denom lamp, this has voltage as soon as the machine is turned on.

 if test #27 is good, and everything is enabled, AND YOU HAVE SET THE HOPPER AND BILL LIMITS IN TEST #7 then you probably have a mismatch on the IDO of the machine,  switch ten on the bottom of the head will tell you what it is set at.

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Thank You, now I have something to do and to check out, I'll see how this goes and let you know how it went later, thank You for the helpful information!
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Re: how to test cash can optics or can you by pass them on IGT s-plus?
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2017, 12:20:52 AM »
the large spade connector was used to connect those two wires together. they should be connected together. if after the initial power up sequence is completed, anytime you remove the cash can the transport will know the can has been removed and will try to reset the can. it will try to do this 7/ 8 times and then stop. the large black connector with two wires on it (picture #1)  is the door bezel signal. you can check this by going into the machine input diagnostics  test #27, this will turn on the door bezel lamps ( provided they are good lamps) you can test these in the denom lamp, this has voltage as soon as the machine is turned on.

 if test #27 is good, and everything is enabled, AND YOU HAVE SET THE HOPPER AND BILL LIMITS IN TEST #7 then you probably have a mismatch on the IDO of the machine,  switch ten on the bottom of the head will tell you what it is set at.

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I got one BV in one machine to work but the other is really giving me problems." Balloon Bars" It uses a SP-831 and the PSR manual reads to use a Set-026 so I did and set and enabled the BV right. I went to test 26 and 27 and spin button lit, I pressed that and the bazel Did-Not light, I know the bulbs are good. Question: if the bazel board was bad, would the BV still work? or does that bazel board have to be lit? with only two wires going to it I would think that is just for lighting so the BV should work anyway correct? but it doesn't.
checked all switches on DBV-200 head and they are off which is right for IGT. So, maybe it could be the stacker optics? Another question then, if the stacker optics were bad would the bv bazel still light indicating BV enabled or would they stay dark? Also if the tractor was bad would the BV bazel still light indicating bv enabled or would this cause them to stay dark?
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Re: how to test cash can optics or can you by pass them on IGT s-plus?
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2017, 07:16:45 AM »
assuming you have two 200 heads,  one works in its machine, the other (Balloon) does not work in its machine????  did you try the non working unit in the working machine??

the bezel does not have to be lit for the bv to work.  INPUT test #27 will automatically put a signal to the bezel to light the lamps. you don't have to press the spin button.

you can verify your problem by switching the transport shelf assembly (which houses the cash can optics) to the other machine and see if it works. only takes five minutes to change out, three screws, 2 on the back wall and one or maybe two on the left side wall exterior ( usually don't have the back screw installed)

I am saying this from memory---  if the unit has not gone through a complete power on cycle and everything was good, the bezel will not lite, the purpose of the bezel lamps is to tell the customer that the bv unit is operational, if it is not lit, then it assumes the customer will not try to insert bills, it also will tell the floor personnel that there is something wrong with the bv unit .

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Re: how to test cash can optics or can you by pass them on IGT s-plus?
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2017, 10:25:20 AM »
You know this is so weird, I had one B/V working head and transport in one machine, I moved it to the other to see if it would work, and it did. OK, then I moved it back and now it didn't work, so I moved it back to the second machine and now it didn't work, so I put it back in the original machine and still it was dead. So I shut it all down and gave up for the night. Next day I turned the machine on and it was working, even accepting bills. So I left it on and went about things, later I walked by it and seen it was out, not working again. Driving me batty here and that is a very short drive! Anything like this ever happen to any of you PRO's out there? Have any ideas of why this thing is doing this?
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Re: how to test cash can optics or can you by pass them on IGT s-plus?
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2017, 11:52:32 AM »
If your machines are working as they should, the bill unit is a separate unit unto itself. it supplies its own power, the transport will send a signal to the bezel to lite it up and the  machine talks to the bill unit transport. 

four individual components make up the bill unit, power supply, two leds will be on when it is putting voltage to the head, the transport head and bill stacker portion, the shelf assembly and optics, and the cash can.   swap one at a time in to a know working machine  machine until you  find the problem.

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Re: how to test cash can optics or can you by pass them on IGT s-plus?
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2017, 11:57:06 AM »
Thanks again Jim
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Re: how to test cash can optics or can you by pass them on IGT s-plus?
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2017, 10:50:13 PM »
WOW it i done and I won, I have both DBV-200's working now, it seams not knowing the condition of the BV's and buying two good heads, one turned out bad for some reason, so this lead to a change of events and swamping this for that and that for this and it just got out of hand. OK, so there fixed now and everything is fine and happy.
One last thing, one bill accepter doesn't go to credits, it goes to a cash payout even if there is a couple game credits on the credit meter of the machine, all bills to the BV still goes to cash.
So I have a SP-831, can you tell me how to get the BV to go to credits always in a way I could figure out how to set this?
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