Author Topic: Coin In Error, X-10 X-Mark Xeptor (Read 3354 times)

dailey · « **on:** July 24, 2017, 10:37:17 PM »

I recently purchased an S2000 Top Dollar machine. It was a new machine which was never used. It spent years in storage and was never installed on the casino floor. When I received it, it was setup for coinless, though it had all the coin handling mechanism's except for a hopper. I ordered a $0.50 hopper and just completed setting it up for coin. I have a bag of Kennedy half dollars I intend to use.

Everything went fine on the conversion to coin. The machine accepts coin, the hopper works, etc. The only problem is I have a high rate of coin-in errors. About every 2nd or 3rd coin the machine goes into tilt mode. The message is Coin in error, call attendant, etc.

This machine came with the X-10 X-Mark Xeptor, which I programmed for half dollars. I suspect the problem is that the back of the Xeptor lacks the snap in guides to fit this size coin. It has a capacity of 1.47". The half dollar is 1.207". This is over a quarter inch of slop. The coin head is also very large, probably for dollar token.

Does anyone have experience with this Xeptor ? Is it sensitive to properly guided coin as it travels through ? I welcome any input on whether I'm on the right track.

Amechanic · « **Reply #1 on:** July 25, 2017, 04:31:59 AM »

Just my opinion.. I picked up a lot of used S2000 last year, and about half of the machines has this style coin acceptor. I never was able to make of the operate. I converted to the CC style coin comparitors. Solved all my problems. Heck I even offered them here for free and had no takers. That just my opinion tho.

dailey · « **Reply #2 on:** July 25, 2017, 05:49:23 AM »

How difficult is it to convert it ? What parts do I need and what is the procedure ?

rokgpsman · « **Reply #3 on:** July 25, 2017, 07:56:44 AM »

The CC-xx style of coin comparator just plugs in where the IDX coin comparator is now. Not a big conversion process.

When you get the coin-in error does the coin get rejected to the coin tray on front of machine? Or does it go into hopper? If it goes to the coin tray then that is often a problem with the coin comparator. But if the coin goes to the hopper and gives the error then see below.

There is a set of coin optic boards below the coin comparator. After the inserted coin is accepted by the IDX or CC-xx coin comparator the coin falls past the coin optic boards and that triggers the machine to give a credit for the coin. Because the machine can be setup for a variety of different coins, small to large (nickel to dollar) there is a plastic coin guide (coin spacer) between the coin optics boards to make sure the coin moves past the optic sensor parts and gets detected. The coin guides comes in different versions depending on the size of the coin your machine uses. So if your machine is missing this coin guide or if it has the wrong one then you can have intermittent problems with coins not getting detected.

You might want to check for this coin guide being wrong or missing, it should be the half-dollar version since that is the coin your machine is using.

Here is an example of a coin optic guide/spacer:

http://www.spininc.com/03005-1

dailey · « **Reply #4 on:** July 25, 2017, 08:48:55 AM »

When I get the coin-in error, the coin goes to the hopper and I get no credits.

I checked the coin optics and there is a coin guide, but the wrong one. The guide is 1.458 - 1.575 (P/N 58405407). I'll order the correct one and go from there.

Thanks

rokgpsman · « **Reply #5 on:** July 25, 2017, 09:13:13 AM »

Quote from: dailey on July 25, 2017, 08:48:55 AM

When I get the coin-in error, the coin goes to the hopper and I get no credits.

I checked the coin optics and there is a coin guide, but the wrong one. The guide is 1.458 - 1.575 (P/N 58405407). I'll order the correct one and go from there.

Thanks

The old US dollar coins are 1.5 inches diameter, so that coin optic guide/spacer is for the dollar coin. (newer dollar coins are about 1 inch diameter, slightly larger than a quarter). The half-dollar coin is about 1.2 inches diameter.

Hopefully replacing your coin guide will solve the coin-in error. That part is often overlooked when a machine gets converted or is having a coin problem.

Sometimes the correct coin guide is hard to find and people make their own from a piece of foam cut to the right size. Thick enough that it is held in place between the coin optic boards and wide enough to reliably send the coin past the optic sensors.

dailey · « **Reply #6 on:** July 25, 2017, 01:17:23 PM »

I found a Manuel on the X-10 Xeptor. It states the importance of a reasonably centered path for the coin to pass through as well as accurate width sized for the thickness of the coin. I suspect that after installing the correct spacer on the coin optics, I may still have some problems with the Xeptor unless I do the same for it. I'll take it one step at a time.

I have no idea where to find the snap on spacers for the Xeptor. I'll probably make my own and glue them in place. There is an adjustment for coin thickness. If I continue to have problems, I'll convert to a standard coin comparator.

Amechanic · « **Reply #7 on:** July 25, 2017, 06:23:44 PM »

I have a small pile of these here that I'd gladly give you if I can locate them and a box to ship them in if you pay shipping. Thing is I just got home from having my gallbladder removed today. It would take me a day to find them. Let me know if your interested.

Gary

dailey · « **Reply #8 on:** August 07, 2017, 04:57:53 PM »

I couldn't find a plastic coin guide (spacer) for the optical sensor for a $0.50 coin so I fashioned a plastic shim of correct thickness and glued it in place. This completely solved the problem of the optical sensor rejecting the coin.

There was still a high rate of rejection from the X-10 Xecptor, then I installed the snap-in spacers I ordered and this seems to help a lot. I still get about 1 out of 10 coins rejected (to coin tray)which is very annoying.

The coin head slot is 1.574" wide. The $0.50 coin is about 1.207". I'm thinking that with the correct slot (backing plate), the coin will be more accurately centered when entering the Xecptor. I wonder if this will have an effect

There shouldn't be any variation in the coins. They are newly minted Kennedy half dollars.

Any input here is welcome.

Amechanic · « **Reply #9 on:** August 07, 2017, 06:22:46 PM »

Have you looked at the coin guide used in your machines coin optics under your coin acceptor? If your machine was using $1.00 coins or tokens, then you need to change that one to a .50c coin guide there too..

dailey · « **Reply #10 on:** August 07, 2017, 06:38:50 PM »

As I tried to explain, I couldn't find a $0.50 guide for the coin optics so I glued a plastic shim to the existing guide. When the coin optics rejects the coin it ends up in the hopper, the machine doesn't credit it and it goes into tilt mode. With the addition of this shim, it never does this anymore.

When the comparator rejects the coin it just falls through to the coin tray, which is what happens occasionally now.

Amechanic · « **Reply #11 on:** August 07, 2017, 07:02:55 PM »

Ok my mistake. I thought you glued a spacer in the 10-X.. Are you now using a coin comparitor? If you are try turning the sensitivity adj pot down to the negative. That will make it less sensitive to the difference in the coins or tokens.

rokgpsman · « **Reply #12 on:** August 07, 2017, 07:26:10 PM »

When a coin is rejected to the coin tray on the front of the machine that means the coin comparitor didn't accept the coin for some reason.

A bunch of "make sures",,,,,,

Make sure the comparitor sensitivity adj is turned all the way CCW so it is at the least sensitive position (least coin rejection setting. If you still get rejected coins then try a different sample coin. Make sure the sliding sensor cover is as far left as possible so it is covering as much of the sample coin as possible. Make sure the sliding sensor cover screw is tightened so that the sensor is close to the surface of the sample coin. Make sure the sample coin's left edge is inserted into the groove on the sample coin holder.

Ken · « **Reply #13 on:** August 07, 2017, 07:42:48 PM »

The X-10 is different from the CC16.

There are plastic guides on both sides of the coin chute on the inside of the comparitor for adjusting the coin size .. and that's where he added the guide piece(s) -- at least this is what I believe he did.

rokgpsman · « **Reply #14 on:** August 07, 2017, 07:45:45 PM »

ok, I thought he had removed the X-10 and installed a CC-16D. I probably misread something.

dailey · « **Reply #15 on:** August 07, 2017, 07:49:08 PM »

I'm still using the X-10 Xecptor and trying to make it work. I found a supplier for the Xecptor snap in spacers and ordered some. Just put them in today.

My concern is that the Xecptor doesn't have much lead-in chamfer and the coin is kind of heavy and can be up to 3/16" off center when it impacts the Xecptor. (coin head = 1.574" / Coin = 1.207")

I just wondered if a proper size coin head were installed which presented a better aligned coin to the Xecptor, would this help ?

rokgpsman · « **Reply #16 on:** August 07, 2017, 07:57:38 PM »

Quote from: dailey on August 07, 2017, 07:49:08 PM

I'm still using the X-10 Xecptor and trying to make it work. I found a supplier for the Xecptor snap in spacers and ordered some. Just put them in today.

My concern is that the Xecptor doesn't have much lead-in chamfer and the coin is kind of heavy and can be up to 3/16" off center when it impacts the Xecptor. (coin head = 1.574" / Coin = 1.207")

I just wondered if a proper size coin head were installed which presented a better aligned coin to the Xecptor, would this help ?

ok, my mistake, I thought you had switched to a CC-16, so disregard my post about it.

So the coin head (where the coin is inserted by the player) is the $1 size but you are using 50 cent pieces. It's possible the slop in the coin path is causing the intermittent coin rejections. Is there a way to narrow the path temporarily to test the idea, by using something like a strip of cardboard, wire, shoelace, etc?

dailey · « **Reply #17 on:** August 07, 2017, 08:08:26 PM »

Very good idea. I'll do some tests and post the results.

Amechanic · « **Reply #18 on:** August 07, 2017, 08:34:03 PM »

Ok, so your using the X-10 Xeptor.. If your not getting a coin jam between the coin head and the acceptor, and you now have the correct spacers in the X-10, I don't think you need to worry about replacing the coin head. I would still look at what you have for a coin guide that's used to guide you coins thru the machines in optics. If your has a $1.00 guide and your trying to by half dollars thru it, you will have a few mis-reads.

Inside the X-10 are a few different adjustments. Since I am not expert on these, I'm thinking they might have something to do with sensitivity, like on a coin comparitor.. Also there seems to be a way to make an adjustment up by the inferred sensors on the main board, and on the small board on the rear board..

Amechanic · « **Reply #19 on:** August 07, 2017, 08:41:13 PM »

Back board pic..

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Author Topic: Coin In Error, X-10 X-Mark Xeptor (Read 3354 times)