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Counters not working
« on: October 30, 2017, 06:22:48 AM »
One of the things that causes me to enjoy myself playing the games that I have is keeping track of coins in and coins out. When I got my latest machine I noticed that the coins in when it would get ready to roll over to the next ten thousand it would stick on X9,999 a couple of times I could tap on it and it would roll over but two nights ago that was not the case it just was stuck on 69,999 and I could not get it to roll over.


My 17yr old nephew who thinks he is a genius decided to disconnect coins dropped and substitute for coins in. Not sure exactly what he did, but there are wires cut and soldered and now none of the counters work.


Thankfully the game still works. However my question is is there something internally in the programming that I can bring up to use as counters? If not how in the world do I fix this? He has cut the wires from both of the connectors so I don't know what is what and I do not know what to do except for forbidding him to open the doors of any of the machines.








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Re: Counters not working
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2017, 08:14:15 AM »
I think we were all geniuses when we were 17, or at least we thought we were.  :odie:

Keeping the nephew from cutting wires inside the machine would be a good first step. Maybe he was trying to substitute one of the other counters for the one that is intermittent. Instruct him that before making any changes to wiring he should record the way the wires are to begin with, either on paper or by taking a few photos. Everyone has a digital camera nowadays, it would have been easy for him to record how the machine was wired before he began. Having that information would allow someone to easily put the wires back the way they were.

A lot of people tire of hearing the counters clicking and they look for ways to quiet them, like disconnecting them. You can sometimes do that on older machines but on many newer machines if you disconnect the counters the machine will detect this and give an error. This is because the counters record essential financial information for the casinos and the state gaming regulators. Afterall, the state collects a portion of the money each machine makes. If someone (casino employee) could easily disconnect the counters they could take money from the machine and the casino and state wouldn't know. Most newer machines have "soft" counters within the machine software/ram that records the same financial information, in case the hard meters fail or someone disconnects them.

On the counter that is flaky and not always advancing to the next count there isn't much you can do to repair it. They are usually sealed units to prevent tampering, that's another security requirement. So the best thing to do would be to replace it. There are many of these machines out there so finding a replacement counter shouldn't be difficult.

Maybe someone will have a similar machine or be familiar with yours and can help with correcting the wiring for the counters. You may need to post clear photos showing the backside of your counters and the wires. You didn't specify what machine you have, is it an IGT "S" or "S+"?


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Re: Counters not working
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2017, 08:27:10 AM »
IGT S+  Double Double Dollars

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Re: Counters not working
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2017, 08:45:58 AM »
I think there is a way by turning the jackpot reset key on the right side of the machine that you can have the machine display the financial information on the front displays. This will be more cumbersome than simply reading the meter for you to find out the "coins in" information but it will work. Each time you turn the reset key the machine will display a different financial data and you can step thru to see all of the various counts.

Full information on how to do this is in the document for your SP chip. As you may know, there are 2 socketed chips on your mpu board. One is called the SS and the other the SP chip. Once you know the SP chip number the correct document can be located and you will have exact instructions on how to access the financial data that the machine records in its memory. You can remove your mpu board and look at the label on the back of the SP chip to find out its number. Or you can have the machine tell you what it is by following the instructions below.

Here are instructions in a How-To Guide that will let you find out your SP chip number:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=2251.msg11326#msg11326


There may be an easier way to view the machine's internal financial data that is recorded in software, if so hopefully someone here will tell us about that.
 
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Re: Counters not working
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2017, 10:55:30 AM »
I looked back thru some of your previous posts and found one where you said your S+ Double Dollars machine has an SP731 chip. Here is how you can access the financial data that is stored in the machine's memory such as the "coins in" counter. Looks like you turn the jackpot reset key twice to get to the "Display Meters" page, then you press the "Spin" button to step thru and see each meter reading. The meter reading will be shown on your display on the front of the machine. You don't have to open the machine front door to do this. Meter category number 01 is your "coins in" total.


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Re: Counters not working
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2017, 03:55:53 PM »
The good news the S+ machine has become relatively inexpensive. Bad news I bought mine long before this happened.   :hissyfit:

Spilled milk aside, there are lots (and lots) of parts available and you reach out to most of the vendors on the home page of this web site and get a new set of counters.
Not that I have taken mine apart - learned not to take apart my toys about 17 or face a parental smack down....
I believe that the counter module is something that is socketed and you can simply plug a new (or gently loved) set of counters in.

The theme doesn't matter - any S+ can become any other theme available - just change the chips, reel strips and glass (OK I have taken apart my toys just a bit but don't tell dad).
So my 5 line 5 coin Gold Rush can become a 2 coin single line Haywire in about 7min. What I am saying is the S+ parts are generic and you don't need a specific set of counters from double dollars.

You should also be able to grab a S+ manual from the downloads section which will have all the wiring harness details and pin outs for the machine.
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Re: Counters not working
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2017, 04:01:01 PM »
Here is an ebay listing - one of many.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/IGT-Slot-Machine-Counter/142539370612?hash=item2130023074:g:npkAAOSwFiJZ4l~J

I am not related to the seller, this is not my posting, nor do I endorse this or any other seller.

Simply search IGT S+ Counter

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