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Author Topic: Another new person to slots....igt s+ double diamond, stuck in idle door open  (Read 12719 times)

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Are the new optics aligned well?

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How do you have them attached? The door optic should have the Red/black wires and the Cabinet should be Red/White wires. If hooked up backwards the don't work.
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As far as I can tell,  they are aligned pretty good.  They are hooked up correctly as well. I even used my phone camera to check the light in the emitter. 

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Do my way to check them. I use blue tape on the outside of the door and cabinet to mark where the optics are with the door open. Then close the door to see if the 2 marks line up. I just had a machine where I had to shim out the cabinet optics to work properly. Once I did that mine were adjusted.
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At this point it could be your computer board or the board (backplane) board it plugs into.
Did you make sure the red/white wired optic went to the chassis and red.black wired optic went to the door?
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do you have  a meter?  unplug the optics on the door, measure the dc voltage , now do the same for the cabinet .  does this machine have a belly door switch?  if so bypass it.  check out the reset key switch, make sure it is working, with a meter set on resistance, rx1 scale, should read open one way and zero ohms the other (wires disconnected) 

hard the machine went from working?  reset a 61 code  to totally un responsive, the  S+ machine is not that complex.


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Thanks for all the replies....I tried the tape method, and as far as I could tell, they are lined up.  I'm really not thinking that is the problem as at one point the optics were working and the current problem arose before I made any adjustments to the optics.  Yes, red/white is on chassis, red/black on door....The emitter is on the door, verified it is working by using camera on phone.  If it is the board, any suggestions on what it could be, or what am I looking for.  Someone earlier mentioned a transistor could be bad...


  As far as belly switch, I don't see one, but where is that usually at?  I'll try the meter on the optics.  Just for clarification, is the reset key switch the same as the jackpot key switch?


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A few more thoughts....if the door optics were the problem and if they are replaced, will the idle door open error clear out automatically once I close the door, assuming optics aligned, or do I need to do anything else to the machine to put it back in working condition?  I thought I read I had to put a coin in to clear out the error, I could be wrong tho.  Also, is there a certain amount of time the optics must be in alignment for the error to clear, or is it instantaneous?  Is there anything else except the optics that needs to be in position for idle door open to clear?  If not, couldn't I just hold the two optics together and see if the error clears?  I really think something else is causing the problem, just not sure what it is. 

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On most boards I work on it is Q6 that goes bad. It sends out the pulses to the door optic transmitter.
If it is open no pulses will be sent to the receiver, if it is shorted a steady signal will be seen, in either circumstance a door closure will not be detected.
On the backplane, way in the back right corner is a single, long, black connector that has some door signals.
Sometimes the far right pin, near the edge of the board misses the plug hole and is bent over and not connected.
A rare case but that disconnected pin will not allow the MPU to see the door signal.
Another possibility is your 6V fuse, it provides a DC voltage that is used for external voltages, we called it dirty DC or Vun.
If it is open the DC voltage used to pulse the optic transmitter is not present, result - no door detect.
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A few more thoughts....if the door optics were the problem and if they are replaced, will the idle door open error clear out automatically once I close the door, assuming optics aligned, or do I need to do anything else to the machine to put it back in working condition?  I thought I read I had to put a coin in to clear out the error, I could be wrong tho. 

When the optics are aligned and the machine is detecting that the door is closed (which means that the bill validator stacker door ("cash can" door) must also be closed), the LED displays on the front of the machine should go blank for a couple of seconds, then return to displaying information.  If the displays remain lit with number(s) and don't change at all at the moment that the door is closed and the latch is completely slid down into the locked position, that's an indication that the machine is not detecting the door as being closed.

As far as the flashing bottom candle light, that light will remain flashing fast until the first paid game has been completed after the door is closed.
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I'll take a look at the board.  On the 6v fuse, is that one of the 3 fuses underneath the cash can door?  If so, then I already checked all of those fuses and they are good.  Like I said, I can see a light emitting from optic sensor on door when I look thru my phone camera.  I think it was blinking, but will look again.  The cash can door had the switch removed and those wires are twisted together.  I don't think that is the problem as it worked once and I haven't messed with them.  As I mentioned earlier, at one point the machine thought the door was closed as other codes were displaying on front of machine.  I could hit the little reset button and the reels would spin.  The coin comparitor wasn't working as I could drop a coin straight thru.  I read something about advancing from an error code of 10, to error code of 34 to check the coin comparitor.  I think once I got to #34, it was supposed to go to another code, but nothing happened at that point.  After that, I couldn't get reset button to work, wondering it something happened by turning the jackpot key several times to get to that #34 code. 

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With the door open the button on the coin optics works or not? It will  add a credit when you press it and then you  can press the spin button and the reels spin?  Or not? Can you post pics of optics,  coin comparitor, and the display with the door closed?

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Coin comparitor button does nothing, as well as reset button by power switch.  From what i've read, it sounds like machine is stuck in door open position and disabling any other function.

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Disconnect one wire from the jackpot  reser key switch and try it.

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i'll give it a shot

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unhooked connections from jackpot key, no luck there

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I double checked with phone camera and I can see light flashes on the emitter, so that should be working.  Tried several times to make sure optics are lined up.  I feel that they are.  Scratching my head, not sure where to go next....

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It seems when I open door, the bill acceptor does a self test, it makes a noise like it is. 

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Does the belly door have a reflective object sensor or a white button switch to detect door open?
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No it doesn't, at least from what I can tell.  I played with opening the door some more, and i'm not convinced that is causing the bill acceptor to make noise.  It is sporadic and seems to follow no specific pattern.

 

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