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1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« on: February 05, 2018, 09:53:12 AM »
First off hope I am in the right place. I was recently talked into looking at non-working slot machine. I believe it is a 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamond. When you plug in the machine it goes thru some boot up, reels spin, makes noise then stops. Please insert coin light up, 25 cents light up, there is a 0 digit in the winner paid top line, no digit in the credits or coins played panel. If you open the door and look at cash comparitor, the red led is not lit, it won’t accept coins as they drop straight to the tray. If you hit the test button the bet 1 button lights up, if you hit the Bet 1 button the play max button lights up, if you hit the bet max button the reel spins as if working, if you continue to hit the play button more than a couple of times the reels spin on their own continuously without out any action from you, they spin stop, pause and spin again like they are working correctly but shows no credits in display. Sometimes the spin button light ups and will spin the reels if pressed. If you hit the switch on the optic sensor below cash comparitor it register's no credits. I inspected the comparitor there is a quarter in the correct place, I replaced it with another, removed and cleaned the optic sensors , tested voltages to the comparitor and I got 13 volts ac, but comparitor board states 24v ac. This machine looks fairly old, it appears it only has open door switch, no optic sensors for door, it also has no bill accept-er. I checked all the fuses, they appear to be ok.  I do not have a JP Key but removed the glass panel and shorted the 2 wires on the JP Key switch with no results. "I’m assuming it just closes and opens the circuits as there is no continuity when wires are disconnected"  The coin hopper/collector is empty, I’m not sure how it works, does it require coins to test? I see no optic sensor or weight sensor on hopper. "Maybe I’m just blind" Having a hard time finding Diagnostic information or schematics. This machine is for my sister in-law that loves to gamble but due to recent cancer diagnosis and chemo treatments won’t be able to get to a real casino in a while. If you think I am wasting my time on this machine and the cost of repairs will more than the machine is worth than that information will also be valuable.
 
This type of repair is new to me any help would be appreciated on where to start.
 
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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2018, 10:03:00 AM »
Welcome to NLG!

Don't worry if your post is in the right place or not, we can get it moved to the right forum if needed.

The machine resembles an IGT S+, it has "IGT made in Australia" right on the front so it may be a little different than the machines we typically see here. The reel strips remind me of a Double Diamond Deluxe S+ machine. Since you can press the pushbutton on the coin optics boards and the machine adds credits and you can then spin the reels that means a big part of the machine is working.

Can you post more photos showing the insides of the machine? Show us the inside of the door where the coin comparitor is located. The coin comparitor is the part that decides if the inserted coin matches the example coin that is installed into the coin comparitor. If they match, the coin drops thru the coin optics, you get a credit on the machine, and then the coin goes into the hopper. If the inserted coin does not match the example coin then the inserted coin is rejected and returned to the coin tray on front of machine.

The hopper does not need any coins for you to play or test the machine, except for doing a hopper test where the hopper will pay out coins.

Also helpful would be photos of the main logic circuit board (called the "mpu board). The mpu board is probably located in the lower part of the cabinet, behind the hopper on the back wall, or to the left side of the hopper on the side wall over there. The mpu board is mounted to a metal tray, there is a round knob for you to grasp and pull upward to remove the mpu.

You are correct about the jackpot reset switch. It is just 2 wires that you can connect manually when you want to do a reset function. You may be able to get a new key for it, the key that is typically used is called a "2341" key and they are available at many places for a low cost. Or you can replace the entire reset switch, there is one large nut on the inside of the machine that holds the reset switch.
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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2018, 10:12:35 AM »
Thanks for the response, I will get you more photos by tomorrow. I know exactly where the board in question is. Would you like pictures of back of door, switches, hopper , wiring?

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2018, 10:18:40 AM »
The more photos the better, the most important areas are the inside of the main door showing the coin comparitor, the lower cabinet area showing hopper and mpu board location. Then remove the mpu board and post a photo of it, would be good to see the socketed chips on the mpu and read the labels on them. Does the machine use door optic sensors or does it use a large "Cherry" switch to detect door open and closed?

I think you can attach up to 5 photos to each message you post, but if you need to do several messages that is ok.

Do you have the upper glass, was it removed for troubleshooting?

Does the front display show any error messages?
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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2018, 10:21:11 AM »
Ok sorry i did not read your response correctly. If I unplug the machine and reconnect it it goes thru boot up. Not touching the optic button , but only touching the test button 
[size=0px]If you hit the test button the bet 1 button lights up, if you hit the Bet 1 button the play max button lights up, if you hit the bet max button the reel spins as if working, if you continue to hit the play button more than a couple of times the reels spin on their own continuously without out any action from you, they spin stop, pause and spin again like they are working correctly but shows no credits in display. Sometimes the spin button light ups and will spin the reels if pressed. This has nothing to do with the optic switch as it appear to do nothing, even if i never touch optic switch machine does the same thing.[/size]

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2018, 10:24:05 AM »
Yes has large door switch, no optics that i can see, I do Have the top glass, it was removed because I do not have a JP key and needed to access the JP key switch. I will get you the rest of the photos.
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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2018, 10:27:00 AM »
I not sure I can see any codes as only my top line winner paid shows a 0 digit, credits and coins played do not light up or have any digits in them.

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2018, 10:28:13 AM »
ok, so pressing the coin optic board pushbutton does not add a credit to the machine? If it doesn't then we will need the photos to decide what to do next. Have you looked at the mpu board, made sure there is no battery leakage damage to it? The mpu board plugs into a smaller interconnect board below it, this board is called the "motherboard". On the front edge of the motherboard is a wiring cable from the power supply. Inspect this connector to see if there are any browned or darkened areas. This is a problem sometimes. Look on the front and backside of the connector. You can also wiggle the connector while machine is powered up to see if the machines wakes up or if the connector has intermittent connection. Be careful with power on while doing this. The hopper can be removed to make this easier. See photo below.
 
The white TEST button inside the machine is for accessing the machines built-in diagnostic menus and for letting you set certain preference options. Each time you press the white TEST button inside the machine the display on the front of machine should step thru the various menu steps. They are numbered. Then to make changes (don't do this yet) you would either press a player button or turn the jackpot reset key.

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2018, 10:41:14 AM »
I will follow your instructions on inspecting the board. The optics button does not add credits that I can see as no digits show on the bottom 2 read outs.

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2018, 06:30:32 PM »
This machine looks like an early model S+ or possibly an S machine. I don't know if that game was available in the S machines. May explain a little of the confusion though. As S machines had no door optics. Only the big cherry switch for the door. Pics will certainly help.

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2018, 09:11:58 PM »
Ok got some pictures also did some testing whether relevant or not hope it helps.
1st I did remove the board as asked, I took some pictures of it but while out I inspected it, there was a battery soldered to the board that I have been reading about, while the board was out I measured the voltage, It was at 3.6 volts dc, while inspecting the board I noticed a diode appeared to have be very hot at one time and had some type of bypass wire solder from one side of the diode to 2 pins on the side electrical connector "2 pins at side of electrical board were solder together", I tested the  diode with my DVOM and even though the diode looked burnt it did test ok.  Next I reinstalled the board and restarted system, funny thing it started to act different, 1st all the buttons lit up, then wheels started to spin and then the hopper started to run continuously. Now if I unplug it and reconnect it follows the same scenario except no buttons light up just the wheels start to turn then the hopper runs for about 30- 60 seconds. I tested the door switch and it has 12 volts DC when open on both wires but when switch is applied it does loose connection to 1 side.  Next I retested the power to the coin comparitor, with connector off there is only power to a yellow wire “13 volts AC”, I believe this is terminal 4, with it hooked   up there is 13 volts AC to all terminals, I went ahead and grounded the bottom terminal “black wire” and the coin comparitor led lights up dim and it buzzes, I put my figure behind it and the buzzing is coming from the comparitor diversion bar, almost like the electro magnet is trying to work but voltage is too low. I can hold the diverter bar against the electro magnet but it is not strong enough to hold it.
Next I removed the hopper and retested the voltages “weird thing, maybe normal but the voltages to the coin comparitor dropped to 2.5 volts AC”
There is a 110 V AC cord that off course plugs into the wall outlet that goes to a transformer on the right bottom of cabinet. This transformer has 110-120 going in and 220-240 coming out; this appears to be working as designed as there is a label stating “be careful 240 volts throughout the cabinet”
There is another transformer on the left rear bottom of cabinet that has 240 volts in but has multiple wires coming out on the back side that all have different voltages. Starting with the top brown wire it has 0-88 volts AC “fluctuates back and forth”, next red wire has 2.7 volts AC, next black wire has 11.23 volts AC, next white red wire has0 volts “like a ground”, next white wire has 8.18 volts AC, next purple wire has 13.17 volts AC, next white and red wire has 0 volts, and finally orange wire has 13.19 volts AC. My coin comparitor states right on outside of its cover that it is a 24 volt AC device, I am wondering if while I manually ground the comparitor ground terminal and it actually had 24 volts would it work correctly.
I am not sure where the 24 volts AC voltage is supposed to come from, there is another transformer on the mother board that I did not test and I am not sure what is in the power switch box other than some fuses, speaker and a test switch.
None of the terminals coming out of the multi voltage transformer have 24 volts. Is it possible the coin comparitor is the wrong one?  I have seen other documents stating that there is a 13 volt version.
Also of note everyone keeps asking if there are any codes but my numeric display only shows 1 digit of a 0 in the winner paid top portion “See picture”, the middle “Credit Line” and the “coins Played” never lights up.
I do notice that most of the ballast lamps try to work and flicker but think this is related to bad bulbs or ballast
 
 

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2018, 09:13:20 PM »
More pictures

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2018, 09:33:05 PM »
Hopefully last pictures.

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2018, 10:18:38 PM »

I can confirm from your 4th picture that your machine is not a S+ as the location of your game/reel chips appear to be on a addon board, and there are two edge connectors vs one larger one.


I also note that from the last picture that you do not have a bill validator and the winner paid / credits are in a different spot on the glass than a S+


I would subsequently suspect this to be a IGT S (not S+) which is a generation older than originally thought.
I have never actually seen a S so I would need others familiar with the board to confirm.

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2018, 06:31:37 AM »
I would say this is an S machine. I'll add a pic of an S inside and you can see the similarity. And while they are not exactly the same, being made for the Australian market could explain differences.

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2018, 06:54:57 AM »
I found a picture of an S board insides. Other than the extra board. They look alike.

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2018, 07:07:16 PM »
Well now that it appears this is a very old machine and some of the members were able to find pictures, is there any suggestions on where to start or the next thing to test?
If you guys say it is junk I will just return it to the owner. If you think you have some things to try or need me to test something else just let me know.
If you believe it's just not worth repairing that information will also be acceptable. I have been trying to find wiring schematics and the correct diagnostic procedure to determine if this system truly uses is a 24 volt coin comparitor, as I only have 13 volts AC going to this one, this might be part of the problem.
Does anyone know where the voltage to the coin comparitor comes from, and if it is truly low could this be some of the problem?
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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2018, 07:27:04 PM »
Man I would love to tell you I know all those answers...........Yeah but I don't. Jim at Midwest slots knows a lot about these old machines and Ken at Ohio Gaming Slots may also. Sorry guys but I put the onus on you. I'll try to find some help but these dudes (the machine) are old. Now is it a lost cause? No, I don't think so. Some of the software is a little hard to find but the codes can be a bit different from newer ones. Takes a little bit to get things straightened out. Personally I'd love to have that machine. Let's see what pops up. Don't give up yet, let's see what we can find.

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2018, 07:40:42 PM »
Here's a post about an S having trouble.

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Re: 1996 IGT Dazzling Diamonds Deluke not working
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2018, 08:54:13 AM »
Thanks for the link, I went thru it read everything but unfortunately I have no way to get any codes, as I only get 1 digit "0" in the winner paid window nothing comes up at all in the credit window or coins played. Anybody have anything else I can try?

 

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