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Author Topic: Fort 1 Chips don't pay on Jacks Just 2 pr How Come ?  (Read 3870 times)

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Fort 1 Chips don't pay on Jacks Just 2 pr How Come ?
« on: February 24, 2015, 06:41:30 PM »
The game always was Jacks or Better , credit, 9-6 payout.  All of a sudden  there was no pay for Jacks or better. Got another pair of chips marked 720  S   JOB  9-6 pay   Credit---similar to the original chips marked 720. Both sets did not pay on JOB.  Moved the game board into another Fort 1 -----same result. They only paid for two  pair.  Any  ideas ?
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Re: Fort 1 Chips don't pay on Jacks Just 2 pr How Come ?
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2015, 07:29:03 PM »
Did you try the second board in the first machine? If it works then it sounds like a board error.
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Re: Fort 1 Chips don't pay on Jacks Just 2 pr How Come ?
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2015, 08:17:12 PM »
Will try that in the AM.  Thank you.

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Re: Fort 1 Chips don't pay on Jacks Just 2 pr How Come ?
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2015, 11:21:02 AM »
Shaggy for President !!! His idea worked.   It was a board problem !  The board had a tiny jumper wire in the two top holes [ closest to the transformers ] on the chip socket at location D 8 . This jumper prevented a Jacks or better payout.  Pulled out the jumper and it only pays on 2 pair.  Don't know whether this also causes a different payout on other chips. Thanks again.  Gordy

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Re: Fort 1 Chips don't pay on Jacks Just 2 pr How Come ?
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2015, 12:02:39 PM »
Gordy glad we got you going and welcome to NLG.  :cool_thumb_up:
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Re: Fort 1 Chips don't pay on Jacks Just 2 pr How Come ?
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2015, 12:29:08 PM »
Thanks. Should have said I pulled out the jumper and jacks or better came to life.

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Re: Fort 1 Chips don't pay on Jacks Just 2 pr How Come ?
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2015, 01:42:25 AM »
Interesting.  For whatever it's worth, on the Fortune I machines I've seen on location, they actually added a plaque that said something along the lines of, "Bet returned on a pair of Jacks or Better".  That is, Jacks or Better wasn't listed on the original award glass, just the plaque added on as an after-thought.  Perhaps the original machines weren't intended to pay 1-for-1 on JoB?  If so, that would change the payback of a 9/6 JoB game from 99.54% payback to a "2 pair or better" game with an abysmal 81.36% payback.
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Re: Fort 1 Chips don't pay on Jacks Just 2 pr How Come ?
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2015, 05:58:23 AM »
It was an after-thought, caused by player pressure and booklets by Lenny Fromm in the early 80s about the payback on 9/6 JOB.   Think it was quicker and cheaper to attach the plaque and chips than buy and install new glass. IGT at that time probably charged $75 for the glass vs about $1 for the plaque. Think I have chips that read  "2 Pair ". I can recall seeing players at a two pair type of payout and 6 feet away there was a 9/6 machine very lonely wondering why nobody was playing.  Much later, the Gold Coast set up a 9/6 JOB $5 carousel with a progressive that lasted many years until ownership ordered 9/5 after a one or two month lower profit.  Players went elsewhere and good friend Bob Geddes , after a two months,  came up with a new pay schedule for the casino that helped but the sharp players played at other casinos with full 9/6 progressive.  There were always enough players who played less than perfect strategy to make those progressives profitable. One wealthy lady would play when the progressive was positive [ $23,000 ], but she only went for the royal on most hands.  Bob calculated her loss rate at something like 6 or 8K per hr, if I remember. 
  On a somewhat related subject Ceronix stopped fixing the monitor chassis about 4 months ago for Fort 1s , 2s, PEs etc  The chassis is Model 1492 and luckily I have a few good ones available.

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Re: Fort 1 Chips don't pay on Jacks Just 2 pr How Come ?
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2015, 08:27:16 PM »
Gordy:


Congratulations on getting that JOB mystery solved.  I knew that you could do it.


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