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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => Universal Reel/Video Games => Topic started by: ersk3 on February 04, 2016, 02:45:17 AM
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I picked up five complete uniersal slot machines, two machines for parts, and some other parts in a storage in Denmark. The cabinets looks good, but all chrome is bad, also some rust on other metal parts. I have never worked on universal slot machines before, so this is new for me. My hope is to build five working mashines of the lot, first fix them technically, then take them all apart and fix chrome and paint. The mashines comes from the ferry boat between Norway and Denmark, two of the cabinets are intermediate (19inch), the rest is standard 21 inches.
I have allready got two machines up and running: Stars and stripes 21¨, and Dive for the Gold 21¨. I have some challanges thought..
- I have only one working power supply of the standard small black one (and five defective I think). So I have to figure whats wrong with them and fix them. Both the intermediate cabinet models have different power supplyes, I haven't tried them yet.
- I only have two working motherboards (out of 11). Some of them have acid damage, others just don't work.. So if someone have any good tips here it would be great!
- I didn't have any idèa what gamechip bellonged to each mashine, but after a look I have figured out the game chips for the stars and stripes machines (they are the same), and both "Dive for the Gold" and "Midas Touch" looks like they have the same chip. My problem is the chip for "cherry casino, hot reels", I do have a non-working gamechip I think belongs to this machine, but the thing is that it is non-working. Error 12 occures when startup, and is not possible to clear with ram-reset button on mainboard, so anyone have the eeprom file for this machine?
I would appreciate all help I could get, I will keep updates as the process continues. Erik
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...The mashines comes from the ferry boat between Norway and Denmark.....
Hi Erik,
That's a nice assortment of machines! I'm not familiar enough with them to offer help, sorry,,, but I am curious about the ferry boat that they came from. How long does the ferry ride last, I assume it is long enough for passengers to play the machines for a while. I know cruise ships have slot machines and they are located indoors and out of the weather, whereas many ferry boats have an open design. Do you think the sea air exposure is what caused the damage to the chrome and metal chassis on the machines?
Thanks!
Michael
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the power supplies are pretty simple. there is a line filter from the AC in to the rest of the power supply. they go bad a lot. they get corroded , just cut it out and bypass it. if all the outputs are off, suspect the line filter. i cant imagine they arent shot from the salt air. other than that, bridge rectifiers sometimes go bad, and maybe the 5V regulator if the 5v is off.
boards are tough to find. there is a guy in las vegas that repairs them if they are totally wasted, and you want to spend the money to do so. you can find power supply schematics on the site ,or online.
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Erik, you said only one small black power supply works. Power supplies are usually dark green, please post picture of power supplies. Let us make sure we are talking about same thing!
Here is a good link for power supply info on our old site. http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=177.0 (http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=177.0)
The boards, I have no idea what each one's problem could be. I would copy known good chips and try them in each board first to verify the board doesn't work.
Each game requires two chips, a system chip and a game chip. One system chip can serve several different game chips, but they must match up. Maybe your using wrong system and game chip on the Cherry casino game. Never heard of the Cherry Casino game but looking at paytable it is most likely a "clone" of another game like Double Fortune.
If you can read the chips, send me the checksums and I can hopefully identify the chip.
PM me if you need a manual.
Jim
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i've been out due to sickness the last days, therefor I haven't replied.
The machines all comes from the ferry boats own by "Color Line",
- "MS Christian IV" went between Kristiansand (Norway) and Hirtshals (Denmark) the ferry ride lasted about 4,5 hour.
- "MS prinsesse Ragnhild" went between Oslo (Norway) and Kiel (Germany) the ferry ride lasted about 20 hours.
- "MS kronprins Harald" also between Oslo and Kiel, about 20 hours.
The slot machines where located indoors, out of the weather. I beleve it was between 100-200 slot machines on each boat.
The damage to the machines is due to the storage after taken of the ships, sadly.
I will take a closer look at the power supplies when i get well, sadly the Norwegian winter have given me a flu. I have taken some pictures of the three different power supplies I got:
The grey one comes from "Midas touch", I have three of them
The big black one comes from "Stars and stripes 19 inch" not working, only one of this one.
The little black one is the same in all the 21 inch cabinets, I got five, only one working.
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When it comes to eeproms, I have only one type of master eeprom: 8933 1071. I did a hex compare on two of the master eeprom files and they mached. I have not done it on all 11 chips though.
out of the Game chips I got four different types:
8986 2010: I got two of them and both is for the two stars and strips machines. When doing hex compare they look totaly different though.
8939 5006: named 4th coin, I do beleve it's from another machine, since all the machines i have is for three coins.
9120 1059: I have four of this chip, one came out of "Dive for Gold", should be the same chip for "Midas Touch", they look very similar. Doing hex compare on the files read from my eeprom reader, three of the chips looks almost the same (small differeceses), one of them is way of and is totaly different.
8926 1010: This is the game chip I wonder might be from Cherry Casino, but I can't get it working with any board.
I do have eeproms, so that I can burn new chips if I get the code, I will send you the hex files with code Jim, thanks for your help.
Another thing, reading the eeproms, converting the hex to ASCII, I was able to find a company name registrated in sweden, as well with the name of a person working for this company, believed to have written the code in the 90's. After some research I have found the email adress to this person. I will send him an email and he might have some information on the eeproms.
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i've been out due to sickness the last days, therefor I haven't replied.
The machines all comes from the ferry boats own by "Color Line",
- "MS Christian IV" went between Kristiansand (Norway) and Hirtshals (Denmark) the ferry ride lasted about 4,5 hour.
- "MS prinsesse Ragnhild" went between Oslo (Norway) and Kiel (Germany) the ferry ride lasted about 20 hours.
- "MS kronprins Harald" also between Oslo and Kiel, about 20 hours.
The slot machines where located indoors, out of the weather. I beleve it was between 100-200 slot machines on each boat.
The damage to the machines is due to the storage after taken of the ships, sadly.....
Thank you Erik for that info, hopefully you will get over this flu soon and feel better! The Mom's here tell children to eat chicken noodle soup with extra black pepper when they have the flu, it's almost a universal thing here, not sure if it really helps but most believe in it. Be well!
I found a photo of the Princess Ragnhild, it is much larger and nicer than what I had depicted in my mind for a ferry. It is pretty much like an ocean liner or cruise ship.
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I took a small break from being sick and fixed three power supplies. As puckhead said, the noise filters was bad in all off them, thanks for the link. The wiering was a bit different compared with the schematics, probably because I got the 220 voltage models. The noise filters was placed after the 9,5v AC on the trafo, not on power side. The transformer is also another compared to the US model. Also all wiring in and out of the noise filter was green. Posting some pictures, also of the sad inside of one noise filter.
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Erik, I am getting error "Your PM inbox is full warnings" when I try to reply to you and they do not send.
Click on my name, UNIMAN, and you can see my email address.
Jim
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I can't display your email, mine is erik-aask@hotmail.com, would you send me an email?
I had a look at the eeprom I thought was for Cherry Casino, I got it working with another Master chip I had laying around, (8933 0020-1). It started with some bugs, but i figured quickly it wasn't for this machine. So I definitely don't have this game chip. Did you have a game file that might work Uniman?
I fixed the 19¨ intermediate stars and strips slot today, I have never in my life had a machine with so many tricky faults:
- Intermediate power supply was tosted, so I changed the printboard from a part power supply, and guess what.. the soldering between the 5V regualtor output pin and the pcb was poorly, ressulting in no 5vdc to the motherboard. After spending over an hour troubleshooting where the 5vdc went, of course it never made it out of the regulator, I did suspect the print at one stage.
- the main power toggle switch is a two pole switch, which should work as "OFF, OFF" or "ON, ON" right? Of course it decided to play "ON, OFF" in on mode, but even stranger "OFF, ON" in off-mode!! I just had to take it apart, because I have never in my life seen such a fault.. It turned out it has been short circuit, ressulting in one of the poles working correctly, and the other was welded in always ON.. wait? wasn't one pole working opposite? yes because at on-mode with the oxide coating around the welded shorted pole, without the pressure of the switch pressing it off, ressulting in OFF, makes sence? in the same way at off-position the pressure of the switch trying to push the welded connection off, made it on... this surely must be the strangest fault I've ever found!
Also the sound bord was toast, luckily I had a replacement
but other than that the machine just started without any problems at all :)
I still have to look at main boards to get more of those working, should have enough power supplies working by now. Would still need help to get a game eeprom file for Cherry Casino.
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I have really good news, I called the guy in Sweden that worked for Cherry Casino in the 90's, I will try to retell what he said.
Cherry casino is the business that had the slot machines on the ferrys.He is the one that that wrote the eeproms for their machines. All the eeproms they used is not original from universal, and will not work on a normal universal board. The bords I have all have a sub bord mounted, that makes it possibe to run edited versions of games.
Since it is over twenty years since he wrote the files, he had problems remembering it all. Luckily he still have all the games, but he was not sure which one was right for my machine. The name on the machine is not "cherry casino" though, it is "hot reels". He did send me the game he thought was right, 8515-1000, so I will try it, and if it's not right he will have another look.
Also I have fixed seven main boards, as well as almost all power supplies.
The machines did have extra coin comparators mounted, that accepted norwegian coins value 20, 10 and 5, giving the same value in credits. I do have some of the old wiring, so I will try to figure out how they did it. Anyone have any experience with this?
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You've made good progress and found some interesting defects along the way. And what a lucky thing to find the actual software person that wrote the code the machines use. That person may be a big help in getting some of the problems fixed, especially since it is such a unique situation not many (or no one else) would be able to help. Hopefully he still has the eprom files for you to create new chips.
If I understand you correctly, the machines have special proprietary boards piggybacked to the main mpu board, presumably so the machine can do certain things it normally would not do? I'm curious why the machine would not work for them the way it came from the factory, why they had to modify the machines and rewrite software. Was it due to the different coins and currency from various travelers? If so you'd think the ferry could simply have set up the machines for a common token that could be purchased from the ferry cashier, so was probably another reason.
If you are not able to get the special Cherry casino software for the machine maybe it can perhaps be converted back to original design by installing the normal Universal eproms and it will work fine as it did from factory.
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I do believe the main reason they rewrote the software was to add an external coin comparator that accepted both Norwegian, Swedish and Danish currency (some also Euro). I do have two of this NRI-G13 that they used. I haven't got them to work and trying to figure out how they where wired.
I'm posting a picture of one of the main boards, using my paint skills to circle around the extra boards. I believe he was talking to the board next to the master eeprom, it's also stamped cherry something. My guess is that they made the boards them self. Anyone know what the other boards do?
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The SDS3 board was provided by Universal. It has two purposes. One is the eight-dip switch that allows the user to adjust machine settings such as credit limit, what hopper it has (standard or high speed), what type of optics are used (grey or black) whether or not wins go to credit meter, and if Max bet alone starts a spin or the spin button too must be pushed.
The second purpose is for communicating with casino monitors relaying coin-in, coin-out, jackpots, and Tilt conditions. All wire connectors to this board are for this purpose.
The 8116-sub board, furthest back in your pic, is used for communicating to a progressive display such as a Mikhon. This board has one-way communication sending a pulse for every coin-in. Has a three wire connector (blue,violet,black wires)
The other two boards, one with Z80 processorand ribbon cable, and other on opaque board are add-ons and not sure how they work!
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Never even heard of a NRI-G13 comparitor until now!
Found a manual online for it; http://www.nri.de/download/PDF_Englisch/BA_G13mft_USBg_EN_1-1.pdf (http://www.nri.de/download/PDF_Englisch/BA_G13mft_USBg_EN_1-1.pdf)
Also used with a sorter to separate coins.
Wonder what the machines despensed out the hoppers?
Seems like the token idea rokgpsmen mentioned would make more sense.
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The hopper pays 1kr only, this is the only coin the machine accepts. The other coin comparator was mounted in a box below the machine.
Good news, the game I got from Sweden seems like working. I have not hit all the pays yet, but until now it have payd according to the paytable.
I fixed one high speed hopper, and found out that the dip-switches on the main board was defective, so I replaced them with jumper leads.
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The hopper pays 1kr only, this is the only coin the machine accepts. The other coin comparator was mounted in a box below the machine.
Good news, the game I got from Sweden seems like working. I have not hit all the pays yet, but until now it have payd according to the paytable.
I fixed one high speed hopper, and found out that the dip-switches on the main board was defective, so I replaced them with jumper leads.
Remember a RAM clear is needed after any dip switch change.
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now all five machines are working. Next step is to take them all apart and fix the esthetic of the machines.
Btw, anyone know where to get the 32V light bulbs? I have looked everywhere
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Is there a number printed on the bulb you need?
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I figured out the bulbs, they where 28 voltage, and they are ordered.
I also figured how to add credits to the universal slot machines, sending inn pulses to the extention board at the cpu. This is good news, for now I can add an extra note reader, coin comparator, or just a screen and buttons to send credits to the game.