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Jackpot to Credits key?
« on: March 06, 2016, 08:59:07 PM »
When a jackpot is won, the game locks up and the music plays until the jackpot reset key is turned. Then, the amount of the hand pay is subtracted from the credits and the game is allowed to resume. I saw that there is an optional "Jackpot to Credits" key switch that presumably does not subtract the hand pay amount, so the jackpot win stays on the accumulated credits. Since we're not playing for money and aren't issuing W-2Gs or doing cash hand pays, this sounds like the best way to go for at home play.


My machine does not have the 2nd key. Has anybody added this optional switch and can give some advice? If it's as simple as drill a hole, install a key switch and connect a couple of wires, I'd like to do it. Anybody have these parts available?
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Re: Jackpot to Credits key?
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2016, 09:28:03 PM »
A few days ago someone had a machine with an extra switch that was putting the jackpot award to credits and they were wondering about it. I think the answer went something like this:  on some High Limit area slot machines they sometimes have that extra switch so the player can simply put the jackpot to his credits to avoid creating a handpay and IRS paperwork delay. On machines with large denom play, like a $100 machine, this could be really desirable.

But I don't know if it can be added to just any machine, it may take special software game eproms to be installed. Have you tried going thru the various setting preferences on your machine to see if it has a setting for this?

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Re: Jackpot to Credits key?
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2016, 09:35:02 PM »
Yes, I've see it in action at a casino, but did not notice at the time that there were two separate key switches. On a $100 video poker, even a 3 of a kind generates a hand pay, so it's certainly needed in order to not slow the game down terribly. The attendant had a clipboard and had the player initial each line as the W2s were being racked up. I think it would be a nice feature to have on a home machine, too.

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Re: Jackpot to Credits key?
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2016, 09:41:58 PM »
Here is that other thread that brought up the JP to Credits switch a few days ago:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=10281.0

Perhaps the machine owner could look inside and report where the extra JP switch wires are routed to and if his machine has a setup option for that feature, or it is done by connecting the extra switch's wires to a particular set of backplane pins?
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Re: Jackpot to Credits key?
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2016, 08:24:17 AM »
Here's a wiring diagram for the second jackpot reset switch. I don't know if it will work with all games, or just hi-denomination game versions. 

You could also increase your jackpot limit so all payouts go to credits if you don't want to mess with a switch.




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Re: Jackpot to Credits key?
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2016, 06:35:46 PM »
Not sure if it helps, I have the 19" with 5.0 installed (thanks Tilt for pointing that out) and I went into the Setup screen and found where I can set the limits up to $100,000.  No hand pays, no slips, at least until I hit the cash out button.


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Re: Jackpot to Credits key?
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2016, 10:53:55 AM »
I was able to track down where a 2nd switch would need to be physically connected, according to the wiring diagram, thanks Tilt. It's pin 13 A on a female connector, where the I/O board gets plugged into. That pin position is currently empty. So what kind of connector pins are needed to add a 22 gauge wire that connector? Are there special tools needed to insert / extract these pins? I think I have a good understanding of the other parts needed to complete the rest of the project.


The whole point of this is to lock up the machine and play the happy music when somebody hits a jackpot, just like in the casino. But, instead of hand-paying, we're just playing for fun, so the idea is to leave the jackpot on the credit meter, so they can keep playing.


I have hit a jackpot in a casino, while betting the very last of my credits. After being hand paid, they always ask you to play another hand while they observe, so the jackpot is no longer displayed. There was a brief moment of hesitation, when I pointed out that I no longer had any credits. They decided that if they added a credit for me to play it off, I couldn't win, so I just put more money in and kept playing.


Reminds me of a time a lady next to me was dealt 4 aces and she excitedly held all 5 cards and pressed draw. Since it was a triple play, it was a 800 X 3 win and a hand pay. While she was waiting, I pointed out to her that she could have just held the aces and perhaps drawn a kicker (2-4) and won even more. She thanked me for the advice. When her money arrived, they asked her to play another hand to clear the jackpot. On that subsequent hand, she was dealt 2 Aces and wouldn't you know it, the draw was A-A-2 for back to back jackpots.

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Re: Jackpot to Credits key?
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2016, 11:44:53 AM »
I think this is the pin used in that connector.  You could probably get away with crimping it with a pair of needle nose pliers or possibly even a bit of solder.  Order some extras to practice with.

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/HARTING/09020008484/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMud62t8luTOJgh0ATo0pMFISZiGhCvmYmM%3d


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Re: Jackpot to Credits key?
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2016, 10:18:02 PM »
Thanks for that info. The insertion & removal tools for these would set me back about $75. The crimp tool is $373. Can't see doing that. I suppose if the wire is stiff enough and I get it crimped right the first time, I might get lucky enough to do without the insertion or extraction tools. But, my experience says the crimp has to be done properly or the pin won't usually fit into the limited space. If anybody already has some of these female pins and can crimp one onto an 8 foot piece of 22 gauge wire, and sell it to me, that would be great!


More research on this topic found the following attachment. I couldn't find anything more about this particular part number that is mentioned, but looking at the picture, it disagrees with the wiring diagram. The diagram shows that closing the 2nd Reset SW would connect two input signals together. In the picture in the attachment, the yellow/green wire (presumably ground) routes to both switches, instead of the black/red wire, so each switch, when activated, grounds one of the two input signals. This makes more sense to me. Did IGT make a mistake on the drawing?

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Re: Jackpot to Credits key?
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2016, 09:36:08 AM »
I'll dig around in my spare parts.  At one time I had a wiring harness for a S2000 and could probably remove a pin/wire from the I/O card connector and send it to you.  The wire wouldn't be 8' long, but you could solder/heat shrink another one to it to get the length you need.

Kiesubs drawing & picture is for a S2000 2nd reset switch and for whatever reason the wiring is the opposite on a Game King/Igame.  What you're doing is taking the ground from the existing jackpot reset switch and splitting it off to the new switch (blk/red wire GK, Yel/Grn S2000). Then running a new wire from the other side of the switch to pin 13A on the cabinet I/O card which is inside the cabinet on the left hand side.  If you have a GK without the upper button deck then it's the only I/O card in the cabinet.

When you turn the switch you're applying a ground to pin 13A through the new switch via the ground on the original switch.
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Re: Jackpot to Credits key?
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2016, 11:44:25 AM »
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Re: Jackpot to Credits key?
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2016, 07:19:35 PM »
Why don't you just raise the jackpot limit of the machine above the game's jackpot amount.
Remember you can only do it with zero credits on the machine
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Re: Jackpot to Credits key?
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2016, 08:15:56 PM »
Why don't you just raise the jackpot limit of the machine above the game's jackpot amount.
Remember you can only do it with zero credits on the machine

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Re: Jackpot to Credits key?
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2016, 08:59:32 PM »
That just does not sound correct for IGT games.
I don't have much experience with game kings but did Dan try to set limits with credits on the game.
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Re: Jackpot to Credits key?
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2016, 12:24:32 AM »
I understand raising the jackpot limit, but I want the game to stop and play the music, so everybody can enjoy, just like in a casino. But I don't want to erase the credits that in a casino would have been paid by hand.

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Re: Jackpot to Credits key?
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2016, 12:30:37 AM »
Yes, I think the "Y" connector is for the ground to be shared to both keys, not quite like the Kiesub diagram shows. The picture on Page 2 is pretty clear about that. The IGT diagram shows the Black/Red wire being shared by the two switches, but I can't imagine that's correct.

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Re: Jackpot to Credits key?
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2016, 05:09:30 AM »
I understand raising the jackpot limit, but I want the game to stop and play the music, so everybody can enjoy, just like in a casino. But I don't want to erase the credits that in a casino would have been paid by hand.
OK that makes sense.
Not sure this will help I believe I have two machines (IGT reel) that still have these high limit switches installed and wired. I never tried or used them so I don't know if they work ( I also don't have the key).
I can verify any connections for you when I get home from work today.
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Re: Jackpot to Credits key?
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2016, 07:19:39 AM »
Yes, I think the "Y" connector is for the ground to be shared to both keys, not quite like the Kiesub diagram shows. The picture on Page 2 is pretty clear about that. The IGT diagram shows the Black/Red wire being shared by the two switches, but I can't imagine that's correct.



Actually IGT's drawing is correct for a GK/I-game.  The Black/Red wire is the GND and it's what should be split and ran to the second switch.  I corrected my previous post. 

Here's another drawing that shows the signals on P11.  You can also verify that the blk/red is a ground signal with a multimeter.  Put one lead on it and the other to any interior metal surface and it will read 0 ohms.

 
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Re: Jackpot to Credits key?
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2016, 08:14:53 AM »
I understand raising the jackpot limit, but I want the game to stop and play the music, so everybody can enjoy, just like in a casino. But I don't want to erase the credits that in a casino would have been paid by hand.
OK that makes sense.
Not sure this will help I believe I have two machines (IGT reel) that still have these high limit switches installed and wired. I never tried or used them so I don't know if they work ( I also don't have the key).
I can verify any connections for you when I get home from work today.
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Your post reminded me that I have an S2000 with the second reset switch as well.  So I went and looked at the wiring on it and it matched the Kiesub information Dan posted.  I checked the Yel/Grn wire, and sure enough it is the ground wire on a S2000.  I looked at the S2000 reset switch drawing and saw that the S2000 uses different pins on P11 (6 & 7 S2000, 7 & 8 GK/I-game) and the wiring color is the opposite,  so that's the reason for the discrepancy.  The drawing Dan posted is correct for a S2000, the drawing I posted is correct for a GK/I-game.  Attached is the S2000 reset switch wiring diagram.

 

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Re: Jackpot to Credits key?
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2016, 09:24:46 PM »
Yes, the continuity test indicates that Black/Red is indeed the ground, not the yellow/green. Great investigative work, Tilt. Thanks.

 

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