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Re: IGT PE+ monitor problem
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2017, 04:13:37 AM »
We're down to only two CRTs at our property and other than swapping out a chassis board I personally haven't worked on these dinosaurs very much. But here's a few things I found that I hope end up being helpful:

Here is the Ceronix Service manual which has among other things... schematics, block diagrams, and a component list for your monitor.

Those retrace lines could be caused by bad caps, a faulty flyback transformer, the blanking circuit?, or if you're lucky just an incorrectly set (Voltage/Brightness too high?) or failing pot which you could try adjusting.

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Re: IGT PE+ monitor problem
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2017, 06:16:22 AM »
With power on run the back of your hand across the front of the monitor, do you feel static electricity from the high voltage?

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Re: IGT PE+ monitor problem
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2017, 08:45:08 AM »
I appreciate all the great help everyone has given.

Ok, so I picked up another MPU.  Exact same problem.

Then I noticed I did not plug in the tray transformer.  Plugged it in, and still same screen.  Only difference was the candle wasn't blinking until I plugged in the tray transformer.

So I know the MPU board is controlling the candle, so the MPU has power and is functioning.

I am thinking, if there is no difference on the CRT from two different MPU's and a MPU with the tray transformer unplugged, I am not getting any video signal to the monitor. 

So until I can get the MPU to put out something that will make the CRT do something, should I be concentrating my efforts away from the monitor? Or does this make it more likely to be a monitor problem?

Thanks for all the help!

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By installing another mpu (and installing it correctly by connecting its power transformer) and seeing that there is still no image on the monitor I think this proves that the problem is either the monitor or the cabling from the mpu to the monitor. If the cable from the mpu to the monitor is good then I'd see about getting the monitor repaired or replaced.

The mpu creates the video signal but it still has to get processed by the monitor's circuit board in order to be displayed onto the screen. You monitor's circuit board could have a problem.

Another way to prove that your mpu board is ok would be to install it into another PE+ machine or send it out to be checked. Not sure that is needed though if the 2nd mpu board you installed is known to be good.
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Re: IGT PE+ monitor problem
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2017, 09:05:28 AM »
I have a couple different early IGT poker machines that I could test his monitor board in. All I ask is that shipping is paid round trip. If it's a 1492 Ceronix chassis I do have a couple working units setup for IGT.
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Re: IGT PE+ monitor problem
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2017, 03:19:34 PM »
We're down to only two CRTs at our property and other than swapping out a chassis board I personally haven't worked on these dinosaurs very much. But here's a few things I found that I hope end up being helpful:

Here is the Ceronix Service manual which has among other things... schematics, block diagrams, and a component list for your monitor.

Those retrace lines could be caused by bad caps, a faulty flyback transformer, the blanking circuit?, or if you're lucky just an incorrectly set (Voltage/Brightness too high?) or failing pot which you could try adjusting.


Thanks for the info, very helpful!

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Re: IGT PE+ monitor problem
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2017, 03:20:48 PM »
With power on run the back of your hand across the front of the monitor, do you feel static electricity from the high voltage?

No, I do not feel any static electricity.


Update, after leaving it on for awhile, I turned it off.  Then I had a lot of static electricity.
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Re: IGT PE+ monitor problem
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2017, 03:27:21 PM »
I have a couple different early IGT poker machines that I could test his monitor board in. All I ask is that shipping is paid round trip. If it's a 1492 Ceronix chassis I do have a couple working units setup for IGT.

Yes, it is a 1492.  I appreciate the offer.  I just might have to take you up on that.  I am also waiting for a reply from Ceronix, I only live about 40 miles from their Auburn CA facility.


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Re: IGT PE+ monitor problem
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2017, 03:57:17 PM »
Ceronix doesn't do repairs on the chassis any more. I bought up some of there spare parts about a year or so back.
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Re: IGT PE+ monitor problem
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2017, 04:10:22 PM »
Does Ceronix offer an LCD replacement for their CRT displays?
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Re: IGT PE+ monitor problem
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2017, 04:50:27 PM »
Yea if you want to spend $500.   :hissyfit:
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Re: IGT PE+ monitor problem
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2017, 04:54:14 PM »
Yea if you want to spend $500.   :hissyfit:

Dang! Is there something special about it, can other LCD's of the correct size be installed? Or does the machine use a special type of video signal that most retail LCD's aren't setup for? If the mpu board puts out an RGB video then you'd think you could make a cable that would connect it to the LCD's RGB inputs.
 
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Re: IGT PE+ monitor problem
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2017, 08:04:15 PM »
I stand corrected... They are $377.00. Last time I looked they were in the High $400 range.. The monitor comes with every thing you need to up grade to LCD, plug and play. Then change out the monitor bezel..

https://www.ceronix.com/113-15-players-edge-upright.html
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Re: IGT PE+ monitor problem
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2017, 08:21:17 PM »
Not sure I'm thinking about this entirely right, but it would gripe me to pay more for the display than I did for the entire working machine. Seems like working PE+ machines are often under $200.
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Re: IGT PE+ monitor problem
« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2017, 09:16:25 PM »
Not sure I'm thinking about this entirely right, but it would gripe me to pay more for the display than I did for the entire working machine. Seems like working PE+ machines are often under $200.
Here they go for $400-$500. One reason is that they have coin handling. Not everyone likes $$ in and tickets out.
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Re: IGT PE+ monitor problem
« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2017, 12:38:09 AM »
...I am also waiting for a reply from Ceronix, I only live about 40 miles from their Auburn CA facility.

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Re: IGT PE+ monitor problem
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2017, 10:09:40 PM »
Is there something special about it, can other LCD's of the correct size be installed? Or does the machine use a special type of video signal that most retail LCD's aren't setup for? If the mpu board puts out an RGB video then you'd think you could make a cable that would connect it to the LCD's RGB inputs.


The machine outputs CGA video, which is a minor pain to deal with in the modern age.

That said, over time, we did get documented how to put a standard VGA computer monitor (including LCD monitors with a VGA input) into a PE+.  There is a sticky thread in the PE+ section for how to do the conversion:

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Re: IGT PE+ monitor problem
« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2017, 07:14:56 AM »
The machine outputs CGA video, which is a minor pain to deal with in the modern age.

That said, over time, we did get documented how to put a standard VGA computer monitor (including LCD monitors with a VGA input) into a PE+.  There is a sticky thread in the PE+ section for how to do the conversion:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=336.0


Thanks for the link, I read that thread and it was quite an investigation into different attempts, even involving international ideas. So the solution to adding a normal retail LCD screen is to build or buy a cga-to-vga converter so the horiz scan freq is doubled, and also modify the video signals from the PE+ mpu board so that they get inverted? And that the LCD replacement monitor offered by Ceronix contains these needed conversions if someone wants to go that way.
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Re: IGT PE+ monitor problem
« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2017, 05:30:46 PM »
Not sure I'm thinking about this entirely right, but it would gripe me to pay more for the display than I did for the entire working machine. Seems like working PE+ machines are often under $200.
Here they go for $400-$500. One reason is that they have coin handling. Not everyone likes $$ in and tickets out.

yeah, you're right, here they can sometimes be found for $250-$300, don't know why I thought they are under $200. 

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Re: IGT PE+ monitor problem
« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2017, 10:27:24 AM »
Thanks for the link, I read that thread and it was quite an investigation into different attempts, even involving international ideas. So the solution to adding a normal retail LCD screen is to build or buy a cga-to-vga converter so the horiz scan freq is doubled, and also modify the video signals from the PE+ mpu board so that they get inverted? And that the LCD replacement monitor offered by Ceronix contains these needed conversions if someone wants to go that way.

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