Bally model 1117 Monte Carlo

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Thank you everyone for your reply's, I checked my hopper and it does have the wiper board and everything looks good from what i can tell, I pulled the reel unit out and nothing inside looks burn or broken wires but everything moves very sloooowly, it is all covered in gummed up grease or oil its thick and you can see it sticking to the springs and gears, can I hose the thing down with brake cleaner and remove all that old goo ?? or will it damage the finger boards or coils, Scott I will call you, how late is to late, its 9 PM here... I am working on getting some photos posted and will have them on in 20 minutes or so....

Dave

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Ok here are some photos of what i have found that looks broken or missing, the first is what i think is a missing payout counter on the upper door, the second is a broken wire below the coin mech on the lower door, the others are what look like clipped wires with possibly some missing parts, more photos in a few

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Here are some more, the first picture is another view of pic 4 that I just posted it looks like tilt switches that have all been bent, the next is inside the cabinet along the wall in the back above the pull handle where some wire have been soldiered, and 2 are the hopper unit, and the last is the gunk inside the reel housing, more to come

[Amechanic]

The volume control on your V2000 Money Honey, you should see 2 small adjustments pot or knobs on your machines 3 boards stack inside under the monitor. One is for the left volume, the or is for the right. You might have to turn them up and down a couple times to clean there contacts.

[Ballyslots-ballyslots]

The red and blue wires in the top behind the feature unit went to the bell
The broken wire at the bottom left corner of the door goes to the  switch there that would count the coin overflow
The 3 wires at the top left corner of the door go to the coins dispensed meter
Non of those will stop the game from working
Just put a piece of heat shrink over the ends so you don't have shorts
Good pictures!


Scott

[Ballyslots-ballyslots]

I'm in Chicago I don't know where you are if you're east coast your 1 hour ahead  mountain time 1 hour behind west coast 2 hours behind
Feel free to call me between 9am to 9 pm
Please not after that my children are 1-1/2 and 4 we try to keep it quite after 9 pm after 9 pm I text


Scott

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Ok, I managed to get the reels freed up and they now spin when you push the plunger when the reel mech is out of the machine however the plunger or what ever its called does not return to its normal position to trip the switch which I believe is the handle release switch ( photos 1 & 2 ) it takes several minutes to retreat and even then not far enough to trip the switch most of the time...

I am also not getting any power to the coin diverter coils in and below the coin mech as it will not accept coins ( photos 3 ) and

I also noticed that the florescent light that lights the reels is missing, there is a white plug on the upper right corner of the door and again those loose wires in the upper left corner where the coin payout counter should have been there is no other white plug there.

Also should the tilt leaf switches in the upper cabinet normally be open or closed circuits ? ) Pictured in a post a few messages back...

The last thing I noticed was the ratchet on the other side of the reel mech ( photo 5 ) is missing the lever that causes it to ratchet and change the stopping of the reels at different intervals, instead of the lever there is a wire wrapped around it, any idea where I can get one of those levers and the clip that holds it on ?

I know some of this is trivial until I actually get the game running but I am just trying to get things lined up....

Thanks

Dave

[Amechanic]

Remove the white air cylinder by removing the E-Clip and pin on the switch end.. Remove the clip facing you then push the pin out to remove.. Next remove the 4 screws holding the air cylinder to the reels.. Now you need to pull it apart.. Inside your going to find a rubber cup that has become sticky almost to a tar.. You need to remove what's left of the old seal and clean up the parts.. The cup seal is not needed, or even available, although people have made replacement.. I just apply a very small amount of a light grease on the piston then reassemble and install..
As for your missing light, I'm sure we can you one.. Now for the ratchet, you are missing the lever that advances the ratchet. It's not necessary to operate the machine, and another part that can be found.. Is the coin diverter open with the hopper installed? It will be open if the hopper is removed.. You need to check and clean the hopper and reels beau plugs. They are tin plated and tarnish, then loose the connection to the cabinet..   

[DavidLee]

From the photos the machine appears to be in a very clean condition.
 
When cleaning the air cylinder, take note when removing the piston from the cylinder. The pin that holds the J bar linkage to the piston may fall out. Also ther're 2 small spacers one either side of the piston wrist pin. Wearing latex gloves when cleaning the decomposed rubber from the piston will save a lot of time trying to remove this black stuff from your fingers. Re lube with a light grease and a little oil in the cylinder.
Lubriplate works well as it seems to never dry up. Been using grease from this can for over 40 years, it just turns a little yellow. See photo.

[Amechanic]

One quick note. Don't over live the air cylinders piston, or you will end up with a greasy spot on the back wall. It will get forced out thru the small vent hole in the bottom of the white cylinder. I made this mistake once.. Never again.

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Thanks for the info, got it cleaned and greased and the piston now works like it should, not onto cleaning the contacts, thanks again


Dave

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Scott,

Its late and i am not good at texting so this is easier, if you get a chance could I get a photo of the coil relays in the upper cabinet, should be the second from the right on the front row and is labeled Stop- Anti Cheat, all of these are closed and the relay is engaged but when it is disengaged they are all still closed, somethings not right on that relay.

I adjusted the tilt switches in the upper cabinet so they are all normally closed, then I cleaned the hopper contacts, and the reel mech contacts and wiper arms, I put them back in the machine and right away I could hear the coin mech relays kick in, the insert coin light was on and when I put a coin in it registered and allowed me to pull the handle. The reel mech worked as it should except I did not have the reels back in it. After several times of spinning with no reels I pulled the mech back out and installed the reels, I then started cleaning the contacts in the upper cabinet.

After that I fired it up and nothing but lights again, however the diverter relay in the coin mech is engaged but it will not accept any coins and the insert coin light is not on any more. So I had it sorta working and then I screwed something up again...

BOOO BOOO

Dave

[DavidLee]

This happens frequently when cleaning these old machines. Its after the fact now, but when cleaning a machine Its best to clean one stack of switches at a time. And or one mechanical adjustment at a time. Thus making it easier to retrace the adjustment. Before you get back into the machine try moving the hopper in  and out with some pressure from side to side. Only 1/8 of an inch movement, this may cause better contact with the beau plug sockets and pins. You can also try this on the reel mechanism.
Also you can check the coin relay by pushing the coin in switch wire down. Push down slowly and listen for the relay to unlatch. Relay is located very bottom left side of the reel mechanism. The switch also controls the handle release. This happens when the wire returns to its normal position and you should hear the handle release / unlatch.
Myself, I would try moving the hopper and reel mechanism as mentioned.
Then meter out the coin relay contacts for continuity in the latched and unlatch positions.
Its best to test contacts for continuity with the meter probes at the very bottom of the blades as possible.
This will avoid any false reading that could happen with pressure from the probes.
If the contact is closed and there is no continuity then move one probe to the contact portion of the blade and push it towards its mate. The results should give an indication of what might need to be cleaned and or adjusted.

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Interesting development tonight, I powered the machine up and the insert coin light is on but a coin does not register when deposited, I opened the door and manually tripped the handle lock and spun the reels, they spun great but I noticed that the reels were not locked in there cradle so with the power still on I pulled the reel mech out and locked the reels into there cradle and slid it back into place, when I closed the door I noticed the pull handle was now lit, I pulled the handle and the reels did there thing, but when I put another coin in I got nothing again...

I also was poking around inside the upper cabinet and I started manually tripping coils and I tripped the super jack pot coil and the thing started spitting quarters out, so many they were spilling out, I had to shut it off, So I know know that the hopper unit is capable of paying out. Where should I start looking as to why a coin will not register ?

This is my first EM and I am in over my head, a schematic would be a big help if anyone has one for a 1117, I love this machine but am getting frustrated and thinking of selling or trading it off, don't really want to let it go but I really do not need a 250 pound night light either....

Thank you for letting me vent, I appreciate any and all help

Dave

[Ballyslots-ballyslots]

I'll keep trying to help you Dave
Scott

[DavidLee]

Great you're making progress.
At this point I would check the coin in switch for power. From the yellow wire to any solid blue wire ie the lights have a solid blue.
There should be a reading around 6 to 7 volts on the AC setting. Hopefully you will get a reading.
Now if you jump the Yellow wire on the switch to the Blue-Yellow wire on the switch, it should activate the coin relay coil.
Thus producing a mechanical click sound, bottom left, rear of the reel mechanism.
If this happens the coin relay switch is now set to release the handle. The other wire Orange-Green sends the current to the Handle Release,
but there are a few switch contacts between the coin switch and the actual handle release. If these are dirty on not engaged the handle won't release. Assuming the coin relay has fired. You can test the Handle release circuit by jumping the Yellow wire to the Orange-Green wire. This should release the handle.   

 

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Thank you for the info, I turned the thing on tonight and when I dropped a quarter in the pull handle light came on and the handle pulled  and the reels spun like they were suppose to. It started taking coins and working, I opened the door and had my wife help me stop on a pay line and we stopped it on blue hats which turned on the roulette wheel bonus but it just kept spinning, we then played about 20.00 worth until I hit a single cherry which should have payed 2 coins but it did not. I know the hopper works because if I trip the super jackpot relay the thing will spit out hundreds of quarters.

I also noticed that every once in a while it would not register a coin, it would take 2-3 coins before it would register, also some times when you pull the handle it will not spring back from the down position and will not spin the reels...

what do you guys think ? should I try and clean more contacts and see if some of these problems clear up ? or do I need to look at something other than contact switches...

Thanks

Dave

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Ok, tried it again I stopped it on the blue hats which triggers the bonus roulette and after putting the back glass back it I could see what was going on, I think it works like this, you get the bonus feature for the next 10 spins, it will stop on anywhere fro 10 to 50 coins if during the next 10 spins you land on the roulette symbol the spinner will stop on a number and that is what you win, you can win multiple times but it only pays the highest amount which is 50, so say you hit 10 the first time you can hit on additional spins up to a total of 50 coins, if you hit 50 on the first hit then you can not win anymore however the feature continues to run until the 10 spins are counted down.

Ok, at least that is how I think it works, I hit for 50 on the second spin and the thing started spitting out coins, way more than 50 coins, so many the coin tray was over flowing and I had to turn the machine off. After I started the machine up again after 10.00 worth of quarters I hit double cherry and it should have paid but it did not...

Thanks

Dave

[DavidLee]

Okay, sounds like the machine is starting to loosen up the more you play it.
Seems like the coin switch and handle release circuits are fine. Re; the coin switch, make sure the trip wire is completely free to move without rubbing the surrounding metal mechanism.
As for the handle staying down. It maybe traveling to far before the reels kick. Will send some information with a photo on an adjustment you can make to get the reels to kick a little sooner.
As for the payouts, try setting up some payouts by stopping the clock and holding the reels on a payout. Then let the clock go. Try this on a few different payouts.

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David,

Stopped it on several different payouts and it did not pay...

Dave