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**Video Poker, Keno, Slots, 21** Gaming machines => WMS Williams Video => Topic started by: Melissarmdlm on January 12, 2018, 08:49:46 PM
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I am getting the message "Cabinet type not allowed for this game" on my conversion machine. There are several questionable components in my setup, so I thought I would seek some expertise.
1. I am using old green BB1 backplane, Is this compatible with my NXT3.2 at all or am I wasting time? At my point in the setup the OS/Logic hasn't listed any device errors
2. Maybe I am doing the emotive lighting bypass wrong(Seeing it wrong?), or the shown bypass doesn't work on the green backplane?
3. My -game- (Cool Jewels) excludes 22" monitors, despite the fact that we use these same Kristel 22" on numerous NXT3 conversions at work.
4. I am using a 22" NEC for top monitor.
Any ideas to get this rig running?
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Some pics from the mess:
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Can you post a pic of your emotive jumper? (4th pin in from the top right of J14 to the 4th diode in from the lower right of the diodes/thingys above.)
Does this game need the larger Blade monitors? and/or you are using DVI out to the top monitor?
Have you tried a different game set all together?
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The cabinet error on blade games is usually indicative of a emotive controller being missing. Your last pic confirms it.
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Okay updates: In short I have the game running! Thanks to Bpracer, and my local work friends, messing with our test machine.
And yet I still have a single hiccup...My Standard EBB button panel isn't working? ( nor my basic panel.) My OLED panel is out for repair at the moment. I'll be investigating this too with the test bed machine I have access to.
Pics show the emotive bypass, the cabinet ID jumper and the launched game.
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What is the cabinet I’d jumpervyou are referring to? I see the emotive jumper
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All going.
https://youtu.be/Fdx7QhfACIY
"What is the cabinet I’d jumpervyou are referring to? I see the emotive jumper."
In the backplane picture the cabinet jumpers are black and purple wire loops in the plug. That plug is above the emotive lighting jumper.
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All going.
https://youtu.be/Fdx7QhfACIY
"What is the cabinet I’d jumpervyou are referring to? I see the emotive jumper."
In the backplane picture the cabinet jumpers are black and purple wire loops in the plug. That plug is above the emotive lighting jumper.
Where in the world did you get the idea to make those wire jumpers? What are the exact pin numbers?
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What are the pin numbers for the cabinet ID jumpers
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How exactly do the cabinet id jumpers help at all. I have cool jewels running on my bb2 cabinet with just the emotive controller and the nxt3.2 mpu.
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How exactly do the cabinet id jumpers help at all. I have cool jewels running on my bb2 cabinet with just the emotive controller and the nxt3.2 mpu.
The reason I ask is I discovered that the newer games won't play on a BB2 with a BB3 CPU in it. They error out looking for a Blade cabinet. I know for a fact that a Blade cabinet has a different harness connected to J10, with a different pinout. I also heard from 2 different sources too that the 23" monitor in a Blade cabinet may be what the games are looking for, but I have no way to confirm this.
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How exactly do the cabinet id jumpers help at all. I have cool jewels running on my bb2 cabinet with just the emotive controller and the nxt3.2 mpu.
The reason I ask is I discovered that the newer games won't play on a BB2 with a BB3 CPU in it. They error out looking for a Blade cabinet. I know for a fact that a Blade cabinet has a different harness connected to J21, with a different pinout. I also heard from 2 different sources too that the 23" monitor in a Blade cabinet may be what the games are looking for, but I have no way to confirm this.
Did you try jumpering 9 to 11 on J10?
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Did you try jumpering 9 to 11 on J10?
No, does it fool the machine into thinking it a Blade? If it does will have to try that but I see a black wire connected to 11 in your pic and neither of my BB2 machines have a connection to 11. What machine is that out of?
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Did you try jumpering 9 to 11 on J10?
No, does it fool the machine into thinking it a Blade? If it does will have to try that but I see a black wire connected to 11 in your pic and neither of my BB2 machines have a connection to 11. What machine is that out of?
That was a BB2, I forget the error we were seeing but had to install the jumper in order to get it to play with the NXT 3.
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I spent last weekend on this..
Let's take a look at pins 9, 10, 11, 12 on J10. Starting with pins 11 and 12, those are ground. Pins 9 and 10 are SYSID0 and SYSID1 (bits 0 and 1).
Adding these bits together, we can get a value of 3, or 4 different combinations. 0 (gnd, gnd), 1 (gnd, open), 2 (open, gnd), 3 (open, open). By default, the bits are HIGH, a 1 (open).
When grounded they go to 0.
By looking at a boot log of a failed Blade check:
Cabinet Explicit Value: 0 = Cab_BBxD, 1 = Cab_BB2e, 2 = Cab_BBS, 3 = Cab_Error, 4 = Cab_GFxD, 5 = Cab_GFxDv1, 6 = Cab_GFxDv2, 7 = Cab_Blade1, 8 = Cab_Blade2, 9 = Cab_s320, 10 = s23 .. Let me write it a different way
BBxD = 0
BB2e = 1
BBS = 2
Error = 3
GFxD = 4
GFxDv1 = 5
GFxDv2 = 6
Blade1 = 7
Blade2 = 8
s320 = 9
s23 = 10
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That said, the cabinet I was looking at did not have a pin in pin 9 position of the connector on J10, so it is always open (bit 0 has a bit value of 1 when high/open). Pin 10 (bit 1) was sent to pin 12 (ground)., this makes a bit value of 1.
The Blade connector going to J10 has no pins in 9, 10, 11, or 12. so those are always going to be open (bit 0 and bit 1; bit 1 has a bit value of 2), this makes a bit value of 3.
For fun, added a pin to pin 9, retested with various bit settings to confirm this is indeed what is going on.
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The game we were working with wants a value of 7 or 8 (blade1 or blade2). There has to be a SYSID2 pin/bit somewhere. With the SYSID2 pin, this would be bit 2, a value of 4. It must currently be sent to ground. If this bit was added to SYSID0 and SYSID1, we could get a value of 7. Furthermore, if there is a SYSID3 pin, THAT single pin would be bit4 and have a value of 8. It seems logical they would have 4 bits. Where are the other 2 bits? Well, I know they are not pins 21, 22, (or 23 and 24 for that matter, they are ground).
In the case of the game in this topic, I think it is Jewels or somethng, candy drops, whatever, if putting pins 9 and 10 to ground (pins 11, 12 respectively) makes the game work, then I'd say the game was looking for a cabinet type of 0, BBxD. Since both pins are grounded, it would make the bits 0. Therefore, the check would be 0.
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Conclusion, the SYSID check is either a 3 bit or 4 bit value. Not just 2 pins/bits. A pin, depending on which one, manipulates the bit value of the SYSID.
By manipulating the grounding of pins 9 and 10 (to pins 11, and 12 respectively) we manipulate the SYSID bit values to be 0, 1, 2, or 3.
Since there is a check (and table) for other cabinets in newer games, it is suspected there are 1 or 2 additional SYSID pins/bits that are sent to ground initially to only make values below 4. By finding these bits and manipulating them, we have more values.
I will try to add attachment of a Blade J10 connector.
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The reason I ask is I discovered that the newer games won't play on a BB2 with a BB3 CPU in it. They error out looking for a Blade cabinet. I know for a fact that a Blade cabinet has a different harness connected to J10, with a different pinout. I also heard from 2 different sources too that the 23" monitor in a Blade cabinet may be what the games are looking for, but I have no way to confirm this.
Which games are these that don't work? I have a blade cabinet now and can see what I can come up with. On a CPUNXT3.5 the monitors work correctly with a blade, on a bb2 cabinet, I have to switch the top and bottom around to get it to work, but that has been the only thing I've found to be different between the two as far as functionality. I have not loaded any games on the bb2 that are bb3 since I got my blade, but all the games I had until then had worked fine.
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The reason I ask is I discovered that the newer games won't play on a BB2 with a BB3 CPU in it. They error out looking for a Blade cabinet. I know for a fact that a Blade cabinet has a different harness connected to J10, with a different pinout. I also heard from 2 different sources too that the 23" monitor in a Blade cabinet may be what the games are looking for, but I have no way to confirm this.
Which games are these that don't work? I have a blade cabinet now and can see what I can come up with. On a CPUNXT3.5 the monitors work correctly with a blade, on a bb2 cabinet, I have to switch the top and bottom around to get it to work, but that has been the only thing I've found to be different between the two as far as functionality. I have not loaded any games on the bb2 that are bb3 since I got my blade, but all the games I had until then had worked fine.
Life of Luxury Multi-Game. It's a LAP game. Works fine in a Blade but not in a BB2 with a BB3 CPU. Pic below in a Blade.
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See pic below of what I get when I turn the key on this game. Interesting message never seen before.
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I thought you needed extra hardware even on a blade to run these? So these run on a blade stand-alone, without LAP hardware? I think I can get a set of these for next to nothing, I just didn't bother because I thought it needed a lap server.
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I thought you needed extra hardware even on a blade to run these? So these run on a blade stand-alone, without LAP hardware? I think I can get a set of these for next to nothing, I just didn't bother because I thought it needed a lap server.
No, the game runs on a Blade but still needs the LAP controller.
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Cabinet type 0x04 is GFxD... Will update my reply.
Also, noticed the Blade uses the same backplane as the BB1.... It has no connector on the Lamp Matrix J8, Game Lamps J15. Only 2 wires on J19 ( 1 and 7)
Can someone tell me what pins 1 and 7 are labelled for on JP19?
WAIT! What is this! I see a jumper on the Game Switches connector... pin 5 and pin 17 have a jumper in a blade cabinet..
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It seems to me that J14 pins 2 and 5 (send to ground = pins 16,17) are used on the BB3 as the next SYSID bits.
By unplugging J10 and jumping pins 5 and 17 on J14, made the check pass for blade cabinet.
However, the video is shifted to the bottom - right. Kristel 22's..
Am told there's better monitors to use for BB1/2 cabinets.
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I can confirm your findings using my blade cabinet. I unplugged J14 from the backplane and booted Life of Luxury Progressive game and got an error that it was unable to read the cabinet id. I am going to make just a plug with the pins that are jumped and see if I can get it to identify as a blade. My bb2 cabinet doesn't have anything plugged into j14.
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Playing with J14 (while J10 pins 9,10 are open), stopped at pin 10.
Pin 1 to ground makes unknown cabinet
Pin 2 to ground makes unknown cabinet
Pin 3 to ground makes Gamefield
Pin 4 to ground makes GFxDv1
Pin 5 to ground makes Blade .. (not sure if it is Blade1 or Blade2)
pin 6 to ground makes sVAR1 (value 11)
pin 7 to ground makes video change
pin 8 to ground makes unknown cabinet
pin 9 to ground makes unknown cabinet
pin 10 to ground makes CPU Logic Box OK
Update:
Pins 4 + 5 to ground makes S32, might also be Blade2?