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Author Topic: IGT/SIRCOMA Machine Id and video problems.  (Read 123002 times)

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IGT/SIRCOMA Machine Id and video problems.
« on: May 06, 2017, 05:40:11 PM »
Hello,
I picked up a IGT bar top video poker machine at a yard sale. Is it a Fortune 1 or a II? It has mechanical coin mech and 2 boards in the logic box.
Thanks
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Re: IGT Machine Id
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2017, 05:58:38 PM »
 I could be wrong. But, I think that is a Bally bar top game. Can you post a photo or two of the boards?

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Re: IGT Machine Id
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2017, 06:31:19 PM »
I will get some pics of boards tomorrow. The top glass says IGT,But the hopper has a Bally id tag on it.
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Re: IGT Machine Id
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2017, 01:07:06 PM »
Here is some pics of the video and CPU boards.
My machines are a
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Homemade Williams 360 with 550 and IGT parts
Bally 742a
Bally Alpha M9000 Lucky Wheel
Pachislo slot machine
IGT PE+ Slant top Set up as a progressive
Mills 25 cent slot machine

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Re: IGT Machine Id
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2017, 03:53:12 PM »
I think that's a Fortune II machine.
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Re: IGT Machine Id
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2017, 09:19:15 AM »
Those don't really look like F2 boards to me. Can you post a complete picture of the other board? You will have to remove it.
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Re: IGT Machine Id
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2017, 05:41:32 PM »
Here is some more pics of the MPU board.
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Re: IGT Machine Id
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2017, 06:58:19 PM »
Here is some information from a discussion some time ago. Looks like Sircoma was the predecessor to IGT, and the IGT Fortune I was based on the Sircoma machines. And there is a connection to Bally.

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Re: IGT Machine Id
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2017, 09:08:28 PM »
In the early years, when Si Redd quit Bally to run Fortune coin, he made an agreement that Fortune Coin would stop producing their 3 card video reel slot and only produce poker products.
Bally was to get the slot market and Fortune Coin was to keep the video market but stay away from "mechanical slots".
Part of the agreement was that Fortune coin would be given a Bally video system, the two monitor Keno game and the poker game you see here.
Shortly after Fortune Coin started working on the design of the Fortune 1 system we had a contest to re-name the company.
There was a $500 reward for the chosen name.
SI (si) R (redd) CO (company) MA (machine) won the contest.

It was tough times back then and everyone was territorial about their products.

A story I probably shouldn't tell, and MODERATOR PLEASE REMOVE if appropriate, is as follows.

We had blacked out all of the windows in the engineering lab and access was restricted to a few of to work on a new design.
We were working on a electronic slot machine with mechanical reels and optic reel readers.
3 weeks in to the project I entered the lab and the prototype was missing.

I asked around but no one would talk about it.

The lead engineer asked me out after work to have a drink.
He told me a man came into his office and pointed a gun at him, then described where he lived and the names of his family members.

Then clearly said "you will stop work on that slot machine right now" then left the office.

Which is why Si sent our engineer to Australia and he came back with Aristocrat slots.
Apparently, legally, we could not develop a slot machine, but nothing had been dictated about us buying machines from a foreign country
and operating them in the states. Si was a very clever deal maker.
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Re: IGT Machine Id
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2017, 09:26:27 PM »
Very interesting and scary storie.
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Re: IGT Machine Id
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2017, 10:47:23 PM »
Si was very clever. He would work with casinos and offer them a deal that for every Bally slot that was given to him he would place one of his video machines.
And offer them for free for a amount of time calculated to show the casino the power of poker games and allow them enough time to make enough money to pay for the pokers and
absorb the profits from the removed slots.

Sounds like a break even deal but I can relate my visit to our warehouse where there were pallets of removed Bally slots.
Si sold all of them to European buyers. Not one was sold in the states.
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Re: IGT Machine Id
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2017, 12:01:12 AM »
You know BB, you ought to write a book someday...lol
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Re: IGT Machine Id
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2017, 09:09:39 AM »
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Re: IGT Machine Id
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2017, 09:13:29 AM »
cdlale - does your machine work? If not, tell us what it does or doesn't do.
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Re: IGT Machine Id
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2017, 12:47:38 PM »
Its not working. The monitor shows scrambled /blocks video. The led on the MPU is not lit. It only lights when the reset button is pressed.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2017, 01:47:00 PM by cdlale »
My machines are a
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Homemade Williams 360 with 550 and IGT parts
Bally 742a
Bally Alpha M9000 Lucky Wheel
Pachislo slot machine
IGT PE+ Slant top Set up as a progressive
Mills 25 cent slot machine

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Re: IGT Machine Id
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2017, 01:22:40 PM »
Try clean the boards edge connection with a pink eraser. You might want to try reseating the games eproms. They can loose there connection to the sockets over time. The tin platting tends to tarnish.
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Re: IGT Machine Id
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2017, 01:53:50 PM »
Wow! That's one old circuit board!  :cool_thumb_up:
 I'd be covering up the bottom of that reset switch's exposed pins for sure with a bit of electrical tape to start.  :propeller:
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Re: IGT Machine Id
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2017, 02:19:54 PM »
As old as it is you may need to remove the chips that are in sockets and clean the ic legs if they are tarnished or oxidized. You can use a soft pencil eraser to do that. Take some good photos so you can get the right chip back into the right socket, with the notch on the top of the chip pointed in the right direction. If that doesn't get it to working then you may need to replace those sockets with new ones, those sockets were typically made with tin contacts and not designed to last forever.
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Re: IGT Machine Id
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2017, 09:27:43 PM »
Ok,
I pulled and cleaned the pins on all the socked ics. Still the same result.
My machines are a
Homemade Cherry master slot
Homemade Williams 360 with 550 and IGT parts
Bally 742a
Bally Alpha M9000 Lucky Wheel
Pachislo slot machine
IGT PE+ Slant top Set up as a progressive
Mills 25 cent slot machine

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Re: IGT Machine Id
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2017, 04:10:47 PM »
Just for the hell of it, switch the $1 - 25cents switch back and forth a few times. Try it in both positions.
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