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Progressive Controllers and Displays => Mikohn Progressive Systems => Topic started by: woewoe on June 16, 2017, 11:50:58 AM
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I bought this Hot Peppers slot machine at an auction. Was told it just needed to be reset. I tried resetting with the key but it doesn't clear the messages. It does give me the options for 1- accounting, 2 history displays and 4 I/O test. I'm posting some pics of the circuit boards that I think might be important. Any help or suggestions pointing me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
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I'm moving this to the Mikohn section. You have an IGT S2000 slot machine with a Mikohn progressive controller.
C1 is a communication error. It means that the Mikohn controller is not communicating with the machine.
I'd start by checking to ensure the cables between the Mikohn controller and the machine are connected properly. I have not personally configured a S2000 with a Mikohn meter, so I can't help with specific settings for your machine. Someone else should chime in here to help with that.
You may need to program the Mikohn controller in order for the progressive meter to work -- that programming cannot be accomplished within the menu system of the S2000 machine. However, if it's just an issue of having the correct settings for your progressive within the S2000 menus, you may be able to get the meter working with whatever settings were previously saved to it without having to also program the Mikohn controller.
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You probably need to reprogram the Mikhon stand alone.
How long was the machine turned off for before you got it?
The Mikhon has a rechargeable battery on board that holds the programmed information.
When they are brand new they can hold the information for months but when they are old you are lucky if you get two weeks before the information is lost.
You can have someone program it for you or you can do it yourself. You will need to make a programming cable to go from the laptop to the Mikhon. The laptop will need to be an old one with Windows XP or earlier operating system installed and it will need to have a serial port. There are ways to use latter model laptops/cable combinations check the stickied topics in this Mikhon topic. They will also need to have the PSP program installed.
In either case I would recommend replacement of panisonc coin battery on the Mikhon unit.
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=739.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=739.0)
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=573.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=573.0)
The Mikhon is a really good system you can program a scrolling message to go along with displaying the jackpot amount.
Read through some of the posts in this section and let us know how you want to proceed.
Rich
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Thanks knagl and Rich for the quick reply. I will check the connections again and read everything in the Mikohn progressive systems sections to see what I can learn there. I do have an old laptop with XP and a serial port. Also, I checked the 3V battery on the main circuit board and it checks at 2.4 volts. Could that be contributing to the problem?
Thanks again for your help.
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When you say main board are you talking about the board on the Mikhon unit. Or the MPU for the S2000 slot machine?
If you are talking about the MPU battery that will need to be replaced.
I also noted from your pictures it does not appear that the Mikhon unit is connected to the slot machine.
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Connection at Mikhon and on the backplane board on the S2000
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Thanks qbert, I was referring to the battery on the MPU. Sorry, still trying to learn all the parts. However I did check the battery on the Mikhon unit and it read less than 1 volt.
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update: I was able to load PSP on my old laptop and I can get to the main menu on the Mikhon. I configured the date and time just to make sure I could communicate with it. I still can't locate the cables that go from the Mikhon to the backplane board on the S2000. Still reading and researching. Any help or suggestions greatly appreciated.
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Great you have come a long way.
You might have to make the cable to the backplane board although you would think it would be somewhere in the machine since it was set up for progressive. (It's only 3 wires)
You will still need to replace the battery on the MPU.
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This is almost embarrassing to say, but I've still got several S2000s with mikohn controllers running on my gaming floor. I'm off today but during the week I'll try and get you some pictures so you know what the cables look like and where they plug in to. You're not actually plugging into the backplane, you're plugging into the comm board in the power distribution box. That's the one where the power cable for the machine plugs into. It has the fiber connections and a ribbon cable from the backplane going to it.
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I have never seen a stand alone Mikhon plug anywhere else than the backplane board. Every Cham 2 stand alone I have ever seen plugs into the backplane at the J15 connector. I have never seen the comm board used for stand alone. Pictures please.
Rich
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They will be forthcoming when I go back to work. Maybe I'll show you something new?
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All for it a lot easier to get to.
Thanks
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Maybe this will help.
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Moved my plug from the backplane to the lower plug on the power distribution box and the progressive works there also. Thanks jonm
:hijacked2: sorry for the hijack. Back on topic.
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Thanks to everyone for all the info. I have my work cut out for me but you guys sure do make it a lot easier. This is fun! lol Going to dig in to it tomorrow. Again, Thanks!
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Moved my plug from the backplane to the lower plug on the power distribution box and the progressive works there also. Thanks jonm
:hijacked2: sorry for the hijack. Back on topic.
Do you have a picture of where you moved it to you can post with the pin out?
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Here's where the cable goes to the comm board on the power distribution box. It goes into the lowermost 6 pin connector.
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Here's where the cable goes to the comm board on the power distribution box. It goes into the lowermost 6 pin connector.
Thanks Jonm287
Question,
from power pin 3 goes to mikon pin 6,
1 goes to pin 1
2 2
Is that correct?
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http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=739.0;attach=1456 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=739.0;attach=1456)
You will find pin out in the link
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I wired the mikohn to the power dist panel like the pic and tried several different combinations but still getting C1 communications error. Any other suggestions?
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Here's where the cable goes to the comm board on the power distribution box. It goes into the lowermost 6 pin connector.
Thanks Jonm287
Question,
from power pin 3 goes to mikon pin 6,
1 goes to pin 1
2 2
Is that correct?
No - see reply 13 for the correct pin outs.
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Have you properly loaded the chamii+ using the laptop and the PSP software? If your not having it display a jackpot amount there is something wrong with the settings you loaded to the Mikhon unit. You must get that working first.
The display should not show c1 even with that plug not connected.
There is a lot of information in that link I attached.
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Have you properly loaded the chamii+ using the laptop and the PSP software? If your not having it display a jackpot amount there is something wrong with the settings you loaded to the Mikhon unit. You must get that working first.
The display should not show c1 even with that plug not connected.
There is a lot of information in that link I attached.
no I didn't configure the chamii+, I thought I needed to get the hardware connected properly first. Thanks for that info, I will try to configure that tomorrow. Thanks for all your help qbert.
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I loaded the Chamii+ using the laptop and the PSP software to the settings in the above attachment but get a message "error ocurred in loading data from controller" below that in the dos window I get the message "no answer on port, PC ID -- check controller #1" I know it's communicating with the controller because when I hit F3 the display says "LOADING..." Also, the correct date and time shows up when I reboot the system. I even changed the date to a bogus date using PSP to make sure it was taking the date using the PSP and it is.
when I hit F1 Send it updates the jackpot (see Pics) but when I hit F2 Load I get the error messages.
I configured the Mikohn using the function switches to the docs you sent. The display now shows a flashing multi color 12,000.00$ and a C10 ( Progressive not set up) . Not sure why the $ sign is at the end of the amount but hey at least it changed from 0.00$ lol. I read where a bad battery on the Mikohn can also cause a C10 message. The battery is bad so I'm going to replace that.
These aren't rechargeable batteries are they?
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I think the batteries get a charge from the circuit board when the controller is powered up, but you can't just go and charge the old battery that is on your controller board.
You can change the position of the dollar sign in the software. It's been far too long since I've messed with one, but I know the option is in there somewhere.
If you're having trouble getting the controller to accept your new settings (the LOAD SEND (edit: thanks qbert) command), try powering it off, then back on, and then sending your settings immediately after the controller finishes its boot cycle (as soon as it starts showing the jackpot amount or a Cx error message) -- often that helps.
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Yes the battery on the chamii is a rechargeable type 3V Panasonic VL2330.
It is probably worth changing.
You should only be using the send command.
You use the load command to put the current chamii settings onto your laptop as a file you create. In that way if you ever corrupt the chamii like when the battery goes dead you call up your named file when you start the PSP, then send it to the chamii.
When sending files from the PSP to the chamii first make sure you have each page set up properly and saved.
When you are ready to send the data to the chamii unplug and replug the chamii. As soon as it completes it's boot cycle hit the send key 2 or 3 times. This usually gives you the best chance at getting the chamii loaded. Also on stubborn units send just the individual pages one at a time still doing so immediately after a reboot.
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Settings from one of my $5 machines
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Thanks all for your help. It slow going for me with the learning curve. I really appreciate your patience. I was able to move the $ sign to the front of the jackpot.
SYMBOLS AND CURRENCY SET UP
Page 3 F5 PRE is what moves it.
I'm no longer getting the C10 or C1 message but I'm still getting "Link Progressive Down" and "Primary Sas down" in the display window. I have new batteries ordered but not sure if that will resolve those issues. Any Suggestions?
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Ok you are making progress. You have come a long way. Tackling a s2000 and a Mikhon stand alone is very difficult for a brand new user. Give yourself a pat on the back. I believe the Mikhon is now set up.Time to work on the 3 wire connections to the S2000. Show us a picture of your connections on the Mikhon and where you connected it to the mother board or lower communication box.
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Ok, the "Link Progressive Down" message is cleared and the only message I'm getting now is "Primary Sas Down". From what I've read this is probably because the machine is looking for a server. I read that "You will need a key chip in order to remove the settings". Is this something I will need and how do I know which one I need?
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Actually comm options are soft changes, meaning they don't require a keychip to change.
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Actually comm options are soft changes, meaning they don't require a keychip to change.
Where do I make soft changes? the only menu options I see are (1 accounting) (2 History Displays) and (4 I/O Test)
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If this machine came from a casino and has not worked in the home environment I suggest a clear procedure be done.
That will reset the sas error (along with everything else unfortunately)
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after doing a lot of reading and searching I was finally able to get into the 7.1 Key Chip Config and 3.4 Communications Options to make changes to clear the Sas error thanks to foster's post. Now I just need to figure out how to get credits into the machine so I can play it. lol
All original issues have been resolved thanks to everyone's help. Now going to do more research and open appropriate threads for new issues.