3100 error on payouts on S+

[rokgpsman]

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I'll test the hopper outside again, but this time with quarters in it....

What coin type was in it before if it wasn't quarters

[melinn99]

The machine has been quarters for as long as I have had it, 11 years.

[rokgpsman]

The machine has been quarters for as long as I have had it, 11 years.

What I meant was, you said you would test it again, this time with quarters in it. I thought that meant you had used a different coin when you tested it before??


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.....I'll test the hopper outside again, but this time with quarters in it.

[melinn99]

I tested it prior without anything in it, just looking at how it was stopping, with the brake mechanism and whether that was slipping or not. I didn't look at the hopper and how coins were coming out.


I just played it for about 20 minutes, getting at least 7 or 8 payouts, and not once getting a 3100 error. I forgot to post a pic of what it looked like prior to adjusting the metal blade. You can see two coins held by one pin. With the blade adjusted, it sweeps the extra coin off since it jams between the blade and the pin it is resting on. The only issue now is that sometimes it knocks both of the coins off, so the rhythm of the coins dropping is off when it skips a drop or two.

[Amechanic]

Looking at that picture, you can now see it's a coin wheel for a large coin $1 type machine.. It doesn't mean it won't work, it's just that yor have more room between coins and the chance of the extra coin being paid out.. If you had a quarter coin wheel, you would only see about a 1/4" extra room between each quarter and the pin.. Yours has all most enough room for 2 quarters.. When adjusting that metal wiper, you don't want it touching the coins, but just missing it.. That way it doesn't wear out, but still cleans off the top coin..

[melinn99]

Looking at that picture, you can now see it's a coin wheel for a large coin $1 type machine.. It doesn't mean it won't work, it's just that yor have more room between coins and the chance of the extra coin being paid out.. If you had a quarter coin wheel, you would only see about a 1/4" extra room between each quarter and the pin.. Yours has all most enough room for 2 quarters.. When adjusting that metal wiper, you don't want it touching the coins, but just missing it.. That way it doesn't wear out, but still cleans off the top coin..

Well if there aren't two coins on the pin, then it wouldn't touch them or the pin itself. The reality is that more often than not it does have two coins on the pin, with the front coin resting on the previous pin. So with the blade adjusted, it is going to hit that wiper every time there are two coins. So if there almost always two coins, it is going to wear. I think the only way to resolve it totally would be to get a new pin wheel.

[Amechanic]

When I say you don't want the wiper to touch the coin I'm talking about when you only have a single coin there. It's meant to knock any thing else off. Here is a picture of a 25c coin wheel and shelf wheel.

[melinn99]

So I think as it is now it is useable, though not ideal. It may be that the pinwheel is for dollar coins because the spacing is almost big enough for two quarters, though not quite. The wiper will remove the extra coin, though it will also remove both many times. I'm not sure why I never had this 3100 issue in the past. The best thing would be to get a pinwheel specifically made for quarters. The coin slot looks original, and all the glass is setup for quarters, I believe this machine was always setup for quarters. It is probable that the person that sold it to me stuck this pinwheel on it to get it working and for awhile it was fine. Then over time maybe the wiper just got bent up to where it allowed the two coins to go through more often.

[Amechanic]

All that matters is if it's working for you again. I have used coin wheels for 50c on quarter hoppers before without any issues. If you do decided to change it that's also an option. I know it's getting harder to find quarter size coin wheels. Looking at your hopper, it could be possible that the redish urethane wiper piece is worn too. I've seen those in a hopper from a PE+ but not a S+ but I could be wrong and I've never seen one with both wiper types.

[melinn99]

It looks like the red one holds the next coin from going out. When there were two coins held by the pin, the extra coin on the pin was the one that came out, and the other was held up by that red piece. Now that the metal wiper is keeping two from going out, the red one is doing what it is meant to do.

[Amechanic]

It's possible that the red urethane wiper was added because of the use of the dollar coin wheel?