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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2015, 11:12:04 PM »
Alright, I'm out of town right now, will not be home until tomorrow night. I need to look at my manuals to see what the dip settings mean for your game. They are different for different game versions. But, that #7 being ON could be a problem. Some versions use #7 to determine what type of optic being used, ON for black optics, OFF for grey optics.
It won't hurt the machine to turn OFF that #7. Try it and you must perform a reset (button on mpu board pressed during startup) after changing any dip. Then see if error goes away.
Tomorrow night I'll look up the settings for that game.
The first three switches are for maximum credit limit, the #8 is for always credit or credit selectable, #4-#7 vary depending on game.

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2015, 02:43:56 AM »
UNIMAN, YOU ARE MY HERO!!! That was it. the #7 dip switch. It works now... Thank you sooo much!!! :thank_you:


And Thank you very much JIM & all the others that chipped in to help me!!!


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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2015, 02:59:26 AM »
Now if i can continue to bug you guys with other questions about this machine so I can learn more about it...


Uni, in your last post you mentioned about the some of the dip switches controlling the max credit limit? Does that have to do with the fact that this machine only allows up to 3 quarters to be incerted? After that, the quarters fall straight thru to the coin tray. This makes the "Max Bet" button useless &/or no work...
Also, what exactly does all the other dip switches control or what do they do???

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2015, 09:37:19 AM »
UNIMAN, YOU ARE MY HERO!!! That was it. the #7 dip switch. It works now... Thank you sooo much!!! :thank_you:
 
And Thank you very much JIM & all the others that chipped in to help me!!!


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You cannot add more credits to the machine by incerting more coins. Only by winning. Currently yours is set for a maximum of 1200 coins, after that all wins spit out the hopper. You can set it to a max of 2500 coins by setting dips 1, 2, 3, to ON. The others I have to look up when I get home. Believe #8 when ON gives you the choice to have wins go to credit or all wins payout by hopper. With #8 ON you need to press the cashout button before beginning play. It will light up and stay lit indicating credit mode. Press it again, light goes out, indicating hopper mode. The other dips determine type of hopper and optics, nothing special.
The four dips on the main board are for machines with progressive jackpots.

Send me a pm with an email address and I'll get a pdf Uni manual to you.

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2015, 09:43:46 AM »
I just want to say it was pleasure helping you!

You posted so many pics that were very helpful and you were patient. That makes it so much easier to help!

Have fun with your machine.

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #45 on: February 23, 2015, 08:08:42 PM »
Glad you got the machine working, enjoy it,  when you get the manual you will see how you can use the red and green buttons to test a lot of features of your machine.


make sure you lube the ratchet and pawl assembly on the front of the handle,it could cause some problems and lock up the handle,


Good job.


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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #46 on: February 23, 2015, 08:12:27 PM »
Awesome! Now I can make it so that all winnings go to credits & hopper spits out credits when I push the Pay Out button or I can make it so that hopper spits winnings out automatically... TY again!!!


Next question(s)...
    First, how do I make the meters(pic #1) work, so I can keep track of how much I put in, how much the machine pays out, etc??? At the moment, none of them are working...


   Second, What are the "Jackpot Reset" & "Meter Reading" key locks on the side of the machine for??? Are they necessary for anything important, cuz I do not have keys for them? Should I replace the lock mechanism so I have keys for them?


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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #47 on: February 23, 2015, 08:17:33 PM »
JIM, you were reading my mind... lol. I was just going to ask about how to loosen up the handle, cuz it's kinda hard to pull & it doesn't go all the way back up without pushing on it...


Thanks again for your help... I will lube it up!!!


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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #48 on: February 23, 2015, 09:03:40 PM »
hopefully Jim(UNIMAN) could direct you on the handle issue, I think there is a air piston involved,




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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2015, 03:35:56 PM »
Help Again... Now, all of a sudden, the arm locks up when I pull it down. I didn't do anything to it, other than use it. why is it locking up now??? :EmoticonHelp4:


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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #50 on: February 25, 2015, 07:13:44 PM »
You broke it! I worked all that time to help you get it going and you broke it!  :rotfl:

With door open, pull down on handle, you should see a square like rod on the inside hanging down. wiggle it while releasing the handle. Should go back up. Then hit the greased areas of the handle mech. with some WD40 to loosen up the gummed up grease.

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #51 on: February 25, 2015, 08:23:15 PM »
 :24:  That is sooo funny, Uni... Whenever something isn't working around here, I always tell my friend "YOU BROKE IT!"... lolol



Anyway, It seems to be working ok now... Again, Thank you!!!

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #52 on: February 25, 2015, 10:00:53 PM »
One more issue... When you win & the hopper pays out, 8 out of 10 times it pays out one too many quarters & the TILT comes on & I get a 31 code. So I have to open the machine to press the RESET button...


What causes that & is there any way to adjust it so it doesn't do that anymore??? :Scratch-Head: :EmoticonHelp4:

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #53 on: February 26, 2015, 07:02:08 PM »
Was this machine once a tournament machine??

Problem is same as your handle, gummed up. Need to take back cover off of hopper. Then you need to spray a little WD-40 on the rod going into the solenoid. It's the kicker coil and the kicker is not springing back fast enough, sticking in the solenoid.

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #54 on: March 11, 2015, 01:11:00 AM »
Back now. Was out of town. Thank you Uni for the manual. I really appreciate it!!!


I don't think it was a tournament machine. How do I know for sure?


Ok, need a little more help with the hopper. Not sure what back cover you are talking about??? (see pic 1 & 2)


So I'm not sure what parts need the WD-40... Or which part is the solenoid??? Everything seems to move freely...
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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #55 on: March 11, 2015, 04:31:34 PM »
  :duh: My bad! Thought you had a standard hopper. You have an early model Holey Hopper. They came out in the 1990's. It uses an optic to count coins and I believe it brakes to stop the motor and wheel.

The reason I asked if it was a former tournament machine is that I have come across some tournament machines that came with hoppers, (some don't), the handles and hoppers never were used and the grease in the handle was hardened and the hopper mech's stiff. Not the case here.

There is a dip setting for the Holey Hopper on the sub-board located at location 1A on your mpu board. Look and see what positions 4,5,6,7, and 8 are set at. I'm guessing that #7 should be at ZERO. Believe that one is for the hopper, but not sure.
Post your dip settings from the sub-board and then press the green test button nine times and the win meter will display five different numbers, repeating. Post the five sets of numbers and that will tell me what game and system eproms you have. I can try and cross reference the system chip number to the dip settings.

A little more info; Universal used a couple of different types of hoppers. The standard hopper had a mechanical coin counter and a kicker operated by solenoid to prevent overpay. The high speed hopper used an optic and brake on motor. Yours is similar to the high speed. The dip settings told the mpu which hopper was in operation. Yours maybe set wrong or the hopper motor is not braking, one of the two.

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #56 on: March 12, 2015, 08:42:18 PM »
First off, TY UNI for explaining thing in detail! I really appreciate it! The more I can learn about my(& all) machine, the better.


I took several pics of my board in case it might be helpful. Also I've posted all the info you requested. Plz let me know if I missed anything...


Just a reminder that earlier in troubleshooting my machine, you told me that the #7 dip switch should be in the OFF position cuz it controlled which color optics my machine was using, Black or Grey... After switching it OFF, my machine started working!


Dip Switch Settings:
1 = ON
2 = ON
3 = ON
4 = OFF
5 = OFF
6 = OFF
7 = OFF
8 = ON


Win Meter Numbers:
1 = 98601
2 = 90076
3 = 98743
4 = 90919
5 = 92500






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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #57 on: March 13, 2015, 05:13:27 PM »

Just a reminder that earlier in troubleshooting my machine, you told me that the #7 dip switch should be in the OFF position cuz it controlled which color optics my machine was using, Black or Grey... After switching it OFF, my machine started working!


Right! Looks like #6 should be ON. Turn #6 ON and perform a RAM reset at startup and I bet your hopper works fine.

Dip Switch Settings:
1 = ON  determines credit limit
2 = ON  determines credit limit
3 = ON  determines credit limit   All three ON is 2500 coin limit, highest you can get.
4 = OFF Credit Selectable, OFF you need to push cashout button before play to have wins go to credit, if ON always credit.
5 = OFF Not sure here, maybe handle optics OFF for grey, ON for black?
6 = OFF Standard Hopper must set to OFF, High Speed Hopper must set to ON. (Your Holey Hopper is closer in design to High Speed Hopper)
7 = OFF Obviously Coin Track Optics. OFF for grey, ON for black optics.
8 = ON  Believe this; ON for Max Bet button starts a spin, OFF means after pressing Max Bet you must press Spin Button to start spin


Win Meter Numbers: The first number (9) is test number.
1 = 9  8601     System Chip Series #
2 = 9  0076     System Chip Version #
3 = 9  8743     Game Chip #
4 = 9  0919     Game Chip Version, determines theroretical payback %. In this case it is 93.170% payback. (That is over hundred thousands of spins)
5 = 9  2500     Set credit limit

Your game, Firey Doubles, was a newer game in the 90's but actually is a clone of Double Fortune, a game developed in the mid-80's. Same paytable, just flashier symbols.

I see you have a two eprom sound set. Does your machine have sound playing when the reels are spinning?

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #58 on: March 16, 2015, 09:33:26 PM »
Ok, I'm not sure what a "RAM" reset is. I changed the #6 dip switch to ON & put it back together & pushed the button thru the hole at the bottom of the MPU board, then turned on the power. (Is that a RAM reset?) But the TILT light & noise came on & couldn't play the machine. So I put it back to the way it was & the hopper still spits out 1 too many coins...


Did I do it right? Now what's next?


And, YES, my machine does have a sound playing when the reels are spinning... Is that a good thing?

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #59 on: March 17, 2015, 03:20:44 PM »
Yes, pushing the black button is a RAM reset. With the TILT light there should have been an error code to describe the TILT. Need to know the error code other than 50 and 13.
I would try it again, if you get the same results (record the error codes) than shutoff #6 and turn on #5, it is the last one that could be the hopper style.

Like I said earlier, your System Chip 8601-0076 is not listed for Dip Settings, so we gotta figure it out.

I asked the reel spin sound question because most 8601 System Chips do not support reel spin sound. Told someone recently their Double Fortune (with 8601) could not have reel spin sound. Looks like 8601-0076 is a newer version that has reel spin sound, so I was wrong! That's why I asked, had a hunch this version had it.

I'll try not to go on and on; Early Universals had one sound chip. The System Chip calls for sound routines and the early System Chips had no call for reel spin sound as it was not there on the single chip. Guessing somewhere around 1989 Universal expanded to two sound chips (several versions). Newer System Chips called for the extra sounds. Universal chips were assigned numbers by year of development. The 8601 would be a 1986 developed chip. But, later, enhanced versions of the 8601 could be developed years later. That's what I think the 8601-0076 is. System Chips have a group of games they work with, mainly based on the number virtual stops.

When you "clear the RAM" the machine starts like it's never was played. All records are erased and credits will be gone too. (physical analog meters don't change) On this startup the System Chip records the current Dip Switch settings and saves it in memory. The next time you shut it down and then restart it, the System Chip checks the RAM and if recorded settings are there it skips the initial startup routines and uses what is currently in memory. When you press the black button you are cutting off power to the RAM chip at startup and memory is gone(erased), then the System Chip goes thru the entire initial startup routines and records any new settings. The RAM chip requires constant power to keep it's memory, that's where the battery on the board comes in. It keeps power on to the RAM chip when machine is shutoff.

Anyways, your problem appears to be a wrong dip setting for type of hopper used.

 

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