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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #60 on: March 17, 2015, 06:55:08 PM »
2 quick notes & I will do the dip switches tonight...


1st - The metal plaque on the outside of my machine(behind the pull handle) says it's a 1994 machine, if that helps any...


2nd - PLEASE... GO on & on!!! I wanna learn everything you can teach me about my machine & others...


Thanks Again, David

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #61 on: March 17, 2015, 07:19:28 PM »
A lot of times with Universals the pieces in the machine have come from different machines. Yours appears all original. The door button deck, the holey hopper, and the 8116-A3 board are all mid 90's. Earlier machines had the 8116-A2 board. Biggest visable difference between the A2 and A3 are the two red switches in the middle of the board. At this time I don't know what they are for. Think I have an A3 in storage, need to trace those switches.
Oh yeah, the Fiery Doubles is 1990's too.
1994 is the year the Ultra Series came out. Your lucky you don't have one of those! A real pain sometimes!

Let's get this thing 100% functional!

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #62 on: March 18, 2015, 02:38:43 AM »
Awesome!!! Just let me know what you need from me...


Another thing that might help you to know is that both on the front of the MPU case & on the hopper, there are little stickers that say 5 cents. So I think my machine might have been a nickel slot machine originally...


About the dip switches... I turned #6 back on & reset & got TILT with codes 31 & 50... Then turned #6 off & #5 on & reset & it went back to working like before & still spiting out 1 extra quarter most of the time...

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #63 on: March 18, 2015, 06:32:42 AM »
In order to convert a nickle hopper to a quarter hopper you need to switch out several parts including the wheel, spacers, and knife. Seems like a nickle hopper would not dispense quarters as they are larger. Hmmm. The wheel looks like a quarter wheel.  :Scratch-Head:

Take off the black plastic cover off (circled in pic) and take a picture of what is behind it. Let's see what the knife looks like.

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #64 on: March 19, 2015, 04:06:55 PM »
Ok, here you go. Is this what you needed to see? & is it the little 25 cents at the bottom corner that you needed to check?




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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #65 on: March 19, 2015, 04:39:15 PM »
Actually, that is the first Holey Hopper that I've seen with the demonination stamped on it! But it does say quarter, 25c.

Try this, look at my pic and see if you can slide a quarter past the roller and knife. In other words, is there enough space for a quarter to slide thru without the roller lifting?

I'm going, right now,  to my storage unit and take a look at my Holey Hoppers.

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #66 on: March 19, 2015, 06:32:30 PM »
Got back from my storage unit. I have only newer one dollar and five dollar Holey Hoppers.
First thing I noticed is the spring on the roller looks like a weak replacement on your hopper. Make sure it springs back strong, should snap back after being lifted. See pics.

Second thing to check is the motor brake. Try rotating the wheel counterclockwise like it does when dispensing coins. You should not be able to turn it.

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #67 on: March 19, 2015, 06:43:21 PM »
Your motor brake is different than mine but this arrow in the pic points to it. When the motor is powered the brake releases, when power is off it should catch and stop the motor. You should not be able to turn the wheel counterclockwise by hand with power off.

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #68 on: March 19, 2015, 08:47:20 PM »
Looking back at your pics I see the brake release. It is the plate with the red arrow pointing at it. The two copper wires (white arrow) draw the release in when powered and it pulls the brake away from the motor shaft. Push the release in and the coin wheel should spin free, release it and wheel should lock up. The brake catches a small white plastic cam on the shaft.

I wouldn't stick my fingers in there when the hopper has power!

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #69 on: April 01, 2015, 02:31:49 AM »
Ok, I'm back. So lets figure this problem out!!!


1st, I tried sliding a quarter past the roller & knife. No, there was not enough room to slide it thru...


2nd, My spring is real strong & it snaps right back...


3rd, Cannot move it counterclockwise at all...


4th, The motor brake is released when powered ON & stops the motor when powered OFF...


5th, The 2 copper wires seem to work/do as they are supposed too.

It still spits out 1 extra quarter MOST of the time.
Where do I go next???
« Last Edit: April 01, 2015, 08:34:51 AM by Ron (r273) »

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #70 on: April 01, 2015, 04:18:13 PM »
Wow, a real stumper!
Works like this;
1. You press cashout for say, 10 coins in credit meter.
2. 8116-A3 MPU sends signal to hopper relay board activating relay sending 110v to hopper motor.
3. Hopper motor spins, coins dispensed.
4. Optics detect each coin sending signal to MPU.
5. MPU receives 10 counts from optics releases signal to hopper relay board, relay deactivates, motor stops.

We checked all physical reasons that could cause overpay. Let's look at electronic reasons.
The little green board in the hopper has a Hertz switch that has two choices, 50hz or 60hz. Make sure yours is set to 60hz. (If it was set to 50hz, this maybe your problem, not sure what 50hz setting would do, set it to 60hz and try it)
There is a switch on the back of the board, leave that one alone, it has to do with hopper overfill.
My hopper relay board for Ultra Series Uni's is part #1P950026. See if yours is the same part number.

If set at 60hz it still overpays then I would suspect the relay is just not releasing fast enough and you need a new hopper board. You will have a better chance to find another hopper than just the relay board, maybe the older green standard hopper.

You should be able to unplug connectors to the board and it unsnaps out for examination.
     

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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #71 on: April 01, 2015, 05:22:36 PM »
This thread is marked TOPIC SOLVED
but I didn't see the resolution or what it took to fix the machine.  :Scratch-Head:
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Re: Universal "FIERY DOUBLES" Slot Machine is not working!!!
« Reply #72 on: April 02, 2015, 07:09:17 AM »
This thread is marked TOPIC SOLVED
but I didn't see the resolution or what it took to fix the machine.  :Scratch-Head:

I marked this "Topic Solved" This Topic was answered in reply #22 and reply #41. Adding other questions
only adds to the confusion of non working machine making it hard to find answers in the future. I would
suggest a series of other questions needs to be under a new topic for future reference.
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