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Re: Payout problems
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2016, 05:36:03 PM »
Glad you got the machine in good running order. I need to do some monthly maintenance on my 1088.
Middle reel is indexing right away and got to get pay meter to reset.
Photo shows 1088 on the left and the other is 1090. The 1088 is like new condition, had a hard to find short kept blowing fuses so I imagine it sat for years. Last year of the EM machines 1980.

Sorry for the sideways photo 1088 on the bottom now!

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Re: Payout problems
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2016, 09:23:09 AM »
Test Report (after playing and setting up payouts):


It appears to working great, all lights etc but on 40 coin payouts it usually comes up a few short.  It may give out 37, 38 or 39 (winner paid meter and actual payout of coins match).  Reno had said that I might need to adjust the 100 tooth wheel spring 1/4 of a turn.  From what I can read in other post that means move the short end of the spring to the next hole.  Can this be completed without disassembling?


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Re: Payout problems
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2016, 11:03:05 AM »
This only happens on the 40 payout? Is the meter and coin count the same?




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Re: Payout problems
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2016, 11:33:45 AM »
Payout of 10 and 20 are good (don't remember any over/under pays)
I ran several payout of 40 an a few paid out 41 (meter matches payout)
I ran 3 pays of 50 and 1 of 100, the 50's paid 52 each time (meter 52), the 100 paid out 102 (meter 102)






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Re: Payout problems
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2016, 12:36:36 PM »
Check the hopper coin shute after the pivot roller, this area can get gummed up with oil and dirt.
Coins can get stuck in there causing a short pay and then an over pay on the next payout.


Also if the payout step up unit is out of adjustment, the contacts will stay engage to long.


On the payout step up unit add a shim between the rubber bumper stop on to where it contacts the zero switch armature. Maybe 2 layers of electrical tape. This will add the slightest bit of travel to the wipers causing them to leave the contact strip earlier. Test it this way as to not loose the original stop adjustment if there is no difference on the payouts.

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Re: Payout problems
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2016, 01:33:56 PM »
What pays are the outer wipers for?   


Another thing to check or confirm is the the outer wipers are off their tabs just before reaching end of their pay.   


Example,  for 100 pay, maybe around 80-85 coins paid the outer wipers should come off the 100 tab. 
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Re: Payout problems
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2016, 12:59:14 PM »
Did you try adding 2 layers of electrical tape between the spiral cam stop and the zero switch armature? 

Its possible that the contacts that ride the 40, 50 and 100 payout strips have been bent to make better contact.
Thus slightly shorting the length enough to payout extra coins.
Manually advance the payout unit 40 times, then check for continuity between the contacts and the corresponding metal strip.
There should be NON, the contacts should of ran past the strip causing the hopper to stop.
If you get continuity, move the meter probe to were the copper blade / contact has a kink in it, then lightly press with the probe.
See if that makes a difference in continuity.

NOTE this is how I would eliminate the possibility of bent contact blades or a least help narrow down the problem.
Please use your own judgement and comfort level when preforming this test.

 
     

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Re: Payout problems
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2016, 01:32:36 PM »
I didn't add the tape but I did clean and tinker with the contact blades.  The last 10 to 12 payouts of 40 were correct.  I had noticed that when it under paid the hopper would start back up if I touched the spiral wheel which moved the outer wipers.

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Re: Payout problems
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2016, 02:48:04 PM »
Okay, the spiral cam stop might need to be adjusted down a bit. It doesn't take much, mark the metal stop holder if you can.
Loosen the nut give the stop a half turn to extend the down.

Or just run the machine for awhile with the tape, checking the payouts a few times then adjust the stop.

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Re: Payout problems
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2016, 05:13:04 AM »
Thought I'd update the post after playing slot for several days. 
Everything seems to be working just fine, all payouts have been dead on.  Unless it really starts messing up I'm going to leave it as is.


thanks for all the help and advise.
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