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IGT PE+ Multi Poker "on the fritz"
« on: September 17, 2017, 02:32:19 PM »
Well, my $20 purchase has started acting up.  It ran well for a couple of weeks or so, but now all I get is "CALL ATTENDANT".  When I open the door it also shows "door open" and "cmos data".  I push the white button until it "dings", close the door (door open message goes away), turn the jackpot key (cmos data message goes away), but nothing else happens, it still says CALL ATTENDANT.  I've done this many times and nothing...

If I push the white button quickly (no ding), close the door and turn the jackpot key, the screen changes to "Verifying game memory, please wait", then back to CALL ATTENDANT.

The board has a brand new battery, tested to 3.6 volts.

Looking for some help.  Is a Clear Chip in order...?


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Re: IGT PE+ Multi Poker "on the fritz"
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2017, 03:31:21 PM »
A few ideas,,,

Like you said, the first thing to try when the error message is on the screen is to open the door, then press the white TEST button and hold it pressed down while counting to 10. These machines take several seconds to do a ram clear. So give it the full 5-10 seconds, then release the TEST button and close the door and turn jackpot reset key. When it finishes doing the clear I think you will hear a Ding sound. From what you said I think you have done this. I think sometimes a SET chip is used to enable a bill validator but I don't remember ever using a CLEAR chip on a PE+ machine.

On power-up the mpu board does a check on the cmos ram, to see if it is corrupted. If it is then that's the error you will see. The usual cause is the cmos chip losing power, or it is a bad cmos chip, or its socket connections are bad.

The battery voltage has to get to the cmos data chip. If you have a meter you can make sure the battery voltage is getting to the cmos chip by putting the meter leads on the chip's power and ground legs. Do this with the board out of the machine, or at least with the machine power turned off. Even if it is a new battery its voltage may not be getting to the cmos ram chip.

Was there any battery leakage on the board when you replaced the battery? If so there could be a problem that it caused.

When you replaced the battery did you get a good connection on the new battery, no iffy solder joints on the battery or on the board, also no broken/cracked/torn board traces?

On older machines like this you can have flaky connections in a connector or a socket due to tarnished metal contacts. It is difficult to clean socket contacts but you can clean the legs on socketed chips, especially the cmos ram chip if you are careful. Use a soft pencil eraser, be extra careful not to bend or break off a leg. Sometimes you can just press down on a socketed chip and feel it seat better into the socket. Over time as the chips warm and cool when power is on and then off the chips can creep upward partly out of the socket.
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Re: IGT PE+ Multi Poker "on the fritz"
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2017, 04:09:11 PM »
Tried pushing the white TEST button for 20 seconds, same results.

Can you show me a picture of the cmos data chip's power and ground legs?  I'll check the power to it...

I saw no battery leakage from the old battery or on the board when I replaced the battery.

The battery connection looks solid, used lots of flux, etc.

I have already removed a reseated the six socketed chips.

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Re: IGT PE+ Multi Poker "on the fritz"
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2017, 04:26:17 PM »
Jeff, I don't have a PE+ but on the S+ there are Molex connectors going to the Mother board etc. With the power you might try unplugging these connectors and then back in. Make sure there aren't any burnt looking connectors etc. From other Video machines I have, I've noticed the Vids seem to be extra picky about their connections. Just an idea.

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Re: IGT PE+ Multi Poker "on the fritz"
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2017, 05:04:59 PM »
...Can you show me a picture of the cmos data chip's power and ground legs?  I'll check the power to it...

Sure, post a photo of your mpu board and we'll go from there.
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Re: IGT PE+ Multi Poker "on the fritz"
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2017, 06:00:50 PM »
Here ya go.  The entire MPU Board file was too big, so I cropped it to just the two chips...

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Re: IGT PE+ Multi Poker "on the fritz"
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2017, 08:21:23 PM »
The cmos ram chip is the one over to the left side of your photo, it is marked as "RAM" on the circuit board. The battery is mounted just below the cmos ram chip. Also in your photo are your video poker GAME and DATA chips, both are eproms and they have labels so you know which ones they are. You should be able to measure the battery voltage on the ram chip on pin 28 (meter red lead) and pin 14 (meter black lead). (pin 14 is just out of view in your photo). Pin 28 is labelled "Vcc" in the diagram below and the ground pin 14 is labelled "GND".

With the board installed in the machine and power turned on there will be approx 5 volts on the power pin (pin 28) of the cmos ram chip from the power supply. But when power is switched off the battery will then supply power to the cmos chip. According to the spec sheet the cmos ram chip should retain its data as long as the battery voltage to it is 2 volts or more. If the battery voltage to the cmos ram chip is ok and the chip is in a socket I'd make sure it is fully seated into the socket. You could also remove the cmos ram chip and clean its legs. Or you can try replacing the cmos chip if nothing else takes care of the problem.

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Re: IGT PE+ Multi Poker "on the fritz"
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2017, 08:50:07 PM »
If the machine will not work even a short time after you clear the error and then shut the door there may be something wrong such as bad power supply, something not connected very well, etc. So don't focus too much on the cmos ram error, consider that something else could be going on.
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Re: IGT PE+ Multi Poker "on the fritz"
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2017, 04:57:00 PM »
I have got full 3.6v to the CMOS chip.  The search continues...

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Re: IGT PE+ Multi Poker "on the fritz"
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2017, 06:14:56 PM »
Unless a better idea comes along you could replace the cmos ram chip, just to eliminate that as the problem.
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Re: IGT PE+ Multi Poker "on the fritz"
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2017, 05:52:16 AM »
Well I removed the CMOS RAM chip, reseated it and, voila she's back up and running  :applause:.  Once the main screen popped up, it did have a hopper error (extra coin paid out), so maybe that was a compounding issue?

Anyway thanks for everyone's help...
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Re: IGT PE+ Multi Poker "on the fritz"
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2017, 08:05:23 AM »
That's good news, glad you got it going.   :cool_thumb_up:
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Re: IGT PE+ Multi Poker "on the fritz"
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2017, 09:05:46 AM »
Good Morning,

There are actually two CMOS chips. One is on the MPU board as you have found and the other is on the Motherboard. The latter is the fixed board that you slide the MPU board into.
These two chips stay in sync with Data being written back and forth. On the S+ a brief pause about every 20 spins is noticeable. I have not seen it on the PE+ but they both hail from the same architecture so I am sure its there. The CMOS maintains the games integrity. If you were pull the power out mid deal - (not recommended) - when you plugged the machine back in - the game would carry on from where it left off. You can go into the statistics screens and see what the last payouts were, game hold / actual %% etc. All of this is maintained in the CMOS.

A ROM chip has fixed information and can be read countless times. A Eprom (eraseable programmable) is similar but the number of Erases (via vi UltraVilot light) is limited. A CMOS is similar in that it has a finite number of writes. Generally speaking that number is pretty huge but you got to remember that most of these machines were built in the early 80's making the average age 32 years or more... Long beyond what the manufacturer ever envisioned. In fact some of the chips like the small color CAPX chip is not made any more and most eprom burners can't even write this kind of chip even if you can get your hands on NOS (New Old Stock). If you search the archives you can find the schematics to build an adapter so that you can use a 27C256 chip. In fact the more common 27C256 chips are not made anymore either  but you can easily find these on most chip sellers like mouser.

Excusing the previous digression - although reseating your CMOS fixed the problem for now, if it locks up again you may need/want to replace your CMOS chips - when you do I would replace both.






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