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Re: HELP! I have an IGT S+ 2 coin Sizzling 7 NEWBIE
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2018, 02:04:45 PM »
I'm pretty sure that the coin comparitor lite only comes on when the main door is closed. I think it is there for when they bench test it outside of the machine. So don't consider that a problem.

Since your power supply connector seems ok and the reels are stiff when the machine is powered on it may be time to consider another mpu board. These ideas everyone here has are assuming that nothing weird is going on, like if the machine was underwater in a flood for awhile. Sometimes people unknowingly get a machine that came from flooded area and there are some oddball things wrong with it that can be hard to track down. For example, your photo of the bill validator shows a lot of rust on the metal frame and that is midways up in the machine. Any chance this machine has been in a flood or left in the rain over a period of time?

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Re: HELP! I have an IGT S+ 2 coin Sizzling 7 NEWBIE
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2018, 02:05:22 PM »
Do you have another machine that you can borrow parts from to install into this machine to figure out what is bad? The reels having resistance to being turned indicates they are getting power, which means that part of the power supply is working. Are there any fuses in the machine that need to be checked?

Unless there is a cable or something disconnected you may be at the point of trying a different mpu board. But others here are more familiar, so let's see what ideas they suggest.


Don't I wish!  Ha.  This is my first machine, I checked the fuses with a meter, all good.  (the 3 at the front of the power supply), unless there are more some where in the machine?  Is the MPU the large main board?  I see there are a few on eBay forsale - do I need to buy the exact same board?  I.E. Sizzling 7... I'd hate to spend the money to find out I bought the wrong board.  Thanks for the help.

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Re: HELP! I have an IGT S+ 2 coin Sizzling 7 NEWBIE
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2018, 02:08:09 PM »
... I'm not sure what you mean by the BV is missing the duckbill entry...?

Your bill validator is a DBV-200 model. It was made by a company called JCM and used on a wide variety of slot machines. To make inserting a bill easier the bill validator will usually have a front bezel attached, this guides the bill into the slot on the front of the bill validator. You've probably seen these guides on a soda machine or other machines that accept paper money or slot tickets.

Below are a few examples of the bezels, some are called "duckbill" because of their appearance. From looking at your photo of the bill validator back in reply#6 it appears that your bezel has been broken off and the lower part of it is still attached to the DBV-200 head.


Ah yes!  On the bottom *Last pic you posted looks like mine and the 'duckbill' piece is definitely missing, and on the front of my validator, you can see a broken piece.  I wonder if I can order/find just the duckbill.  Thanks tons!
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Re: HELP! I have an IGT S+ 2 coin Sizzling 7 NEWBIE
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2018, 02:11:28 PM »
what area u in maybe there is a member close to u that might have a test board before u spend a lot on one u may not need
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Re: HELP! I have an IGT S+ 2 coin Sizzling 7 NEWBIE
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2018, 02:13:14 PM »
...Ah yes!  On the bottom *Last pic you posted looks like mine and the 'duckbill' piece is definitely missing, and on the front of my validator, you can see a broken piece.  I wonder if I can order/find just the duckbill.  Thanks tons!


yes, you can get a replacement duckbill bezel for the bill validator, but I wouldn't worry about that until you get the machine working. You might find out that the DBV itself is bad (hope not). And the machine should play with coins. So the duckbill is a minor thing at this point.

The main logic board (circuit board with the battery) is called the "mpu" board. They are not too hard to find for sale, we have some folks here on NLG that have them that are tested and guaranteed. And like you said you can find them for sale online at places like ebay and slot machine parts sellers. The NLG home page has a bunch of slot machine parts vendors listed. The IGT S+ machine was so popular and made in such large qty that you can find virtually any part for it. But I'd not buy another mpu until others here have given their opinion. We have some folks that don't login until night time. So stay tuned and give this a day or so for best advice to appear.

Does your mpu board look like it has any damage from old battery leakage, or from water?

The mpu board for your machine comes in 2 styles. They are called the "10mhz" mpu and the "16mhz" mpu. I believe that either one will work for your machine. The 10mhz style is the older one, it can be identified by a round blue volume knob on the edge of the board. The 16mhz style of mpu does not have this blue volume knob. On the mpu board are 2 eproms in sockets, they are marked on the board as the GAME and the REEL chips. If you replace the mpu board you will need to remove these 2 chips from your old mpu and install them into the replacement mpu. These 2 chips are what contain your Sizzling 7's game software. Usually they will have a label on top identifying the chip but the label is missing from your REEL chip. Notice that the GAME chip label says it is "SP872". The GAME chip is often called the "SP" chip and the REEL chip is often called the "SS" chip due to the id numbers that IGT used for them. The SP chip (GAME) can be thought of as containing the general game software for the machine, and the SS chip (REEL) has the specific software for your particular game.  Here is more info about the 2 styles of IGT S+ mpu boards:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=1095.msg5115#msg5115


I *think* those 3 fuses you found are the only ones, that's good that they check ok. The fuse caps can sometimes be loose, so be sure they are firmly gripping the end of the fuse when you put them on, bend the metal part of the fuse cap a little if needed.

Do all of the fluorescent lights inside the machine work? Now and then a machine will have a bad fluorescent ballast or starter that causes a problem. The fluorescent lights are just for appearance, you can disconnect the power wiring cable going to each one to make sure that isn't your problem.

I brightened the photo (below) of your machine so I could see some details.
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Re: HELP! I have an IGT S+ 2 coin Sizzling 7 NEWBIE
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2018, 04:26:15 PM »
what area u in maybe there is a member close to u that might have a test board before u spend a lot on one u may not need

I'm in Columbia SC.  I see there are a couple boards, that test as working on eBay - so I may give one a go.  I hope that will do the trick! :)

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Re: HELP! I have an IGT S+ 2 coin Sizzling 7 NEWBIE
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2018, 04:46:00 PM »
Jim from Midwest slots should have s+ mpu boards for sale cheaper than on ebay.  He is on the vendors list on home page.

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Re: HELP! I have an IGT S+ 2 coin Sizzling 7 NEWBIE
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2018, 06:07:02 PM »
I had a S+ here once that had no displays. After a clear they all came back on. Not saying to CLEAR just yet. But is way cheaper than a board. I am wanting to think I had to replace the SP chip. With the clear in the display's worked. With the SP back in not. Knowing the jackpot reset switch has been disabled makes me wonder. Someone had been fiddling around. Maybe bent leg on a chip??
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Re: HELP! I have an IGT S+ 2 coin Sizzling 7 NEWBIE
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2018, 06:13:41 PM »
Also that SS (Reel) chip doesn't look original, someone has probably replaced it. That's ok if it works but if someone didn't program it correctly or if it is bad for whatever reason the mpu board will not operate or will do strange things. So installing another mpu with the same SS and SP chips may not fix anything.
 

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Re: HELP! I have an IGT S+ 2 coin Sizzling 7 NEWBIE
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2018, 06:27:37 PM »
I am going to test both the MPU and motherboard for him.

I think its a bad SS or SP.

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Re: HELP! I have an IGT S+ 2 coin Sizzling 7 NEWBIE
« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2018, 07:12:12 PM »
I am going to test both the MPU and motherboard for him.

I think its a bad SS or SP.

That sounds like a great idea!
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Re: HELP! I have an IGT S+ 2 coin Sizzling 7 NEWBIE
« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2018, 07:26:14 PM »
Also,  I would address the rust/corrosion issues as well-That BV is NOT gonna work.  This is more than just humidity/condensation.  Still worth fooling with if if you can do it cheap enough.  Otherwise buy another.  -I looked at recent pic's from the posts and seen all that.  Thing looks a barrel of monkeys to me-- :arrowthruhead: .

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Re: HELP! I have an IGT S+ 2 coin Sizzling 7 NEWBIE
« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2018, 11:00:15 PM »
The EPROM on your MPU board in this picture (below) does not appear to be seated correctly.  I don't have a lot of confidence that reseating it will fix all of your problems, but it should be inserted correctly.  If you wind up removing it in the process of reseating it, note that the "notch" on one end of the chip should line up with the notch on one end of the EPROM socket.

I also agree with some other folks who have commented here that it appears that at least parts of your machine have had some water damage -- that's never a good thing.  You may want to consider removing the motherboard (the fixed board on the bottom of the machine that the removable MPU board plugs into) to look under it and verify that there is no corrosion or other damage to it.
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