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bally 5000+ error 82
« on: February 23, 2016, 09:35:19 AM »
Hi all,

I was given a bally 5000 plus "stars and bars" that was completely dead.
I've repaired the power supply and replaced the battery.
When I power up I get the number 82 on both "WIN" and "CREDIT" and the "insert coin" and "coin accepted" flash rapidly 4 times and then pause a while and flash again and so on.
Nothing else is happening.

The problems I immediately see are:

-The door switch is broken.  I would like to have the part number of the switch (or equivalent) so I can replace it.  In the mean time it would be useful to know which wires to sort to get it going.

-There is a 24 pin connector flying around that I have no idea if it should go somewhere.  Anybody knows?

-There are 2 cables unconnected that go to J14 (handle box) on the backboard.  The wire colors are gray-orange and gray-brown.  Something is missing?

-There is a switch at the right hand back side without anything connected to it and I can't see any means of activation.  I would thought the 2 wires above go there but the cables are too short to reach the connectors of the switch.

Is there somewhere a technical manual I could d/l.


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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2016, 10:43:39 AM »
The broken white switch for the door is often called a "Cherry" switch because there is a popular company with that name that makes them, along with several other companies. You can find them for sale from most electronic parts places, slot machine vendors and even on ebay. Prices can vary a lot. You will want the style with 6 flat spade terminals so the wires in your machine can easily slip on. Since the wires are still connected to the broken white switch you will know how to connect the new switch.

http://www.jameco.com/1/1/17142-f79-30a-switch-push-button-n-o-n-c-snap.html

http://www.8linesupply.com/p/door-switch-6-pins.html

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cherry-0E79-00A0-Pushbutton-Switches-10A-DPDT-MOM-QC-TERM-FREE-SHIPPING-New-/331391188923?hash=item4d28743fbb:g:37YAAOSw2XFUcK3C


The unused switch towards the back of your machine, as well as some disconnected electrical cables & connectors, may have been for some optional equipment that was removed when the casino got rid of the machine. Casinos usually have equipment inside the machine for player slot club tracking, for progressive jackpots, security reporting and other reasons. They often keep this equipment for use on other machines, and most home owners don't need it. That may be part of the things you are asking about.
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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2016, 11:31:59 AM »
Thanks for the hints about the switch.
The wires in mine were loose as the connector was broken.  I've read a post in this forum on their possible position, so I placed them temporally accordingly.

There is a side switch behind the handle that from what I understand is some kind of reset when there is a jackpot.  This is missing.
Should this be normal on?  normal off?  If I use a push-to-contact would it do the job?

Any other ideas about my problem?

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2016, 11:45:40 AM »
Thanks for the hints about the switch.
The wires in mine were loose as the connector was broken.  I've read a post in this forum on their possible position, so I placed them temporally accordingly.

There is a side switch behind the handle that from what I understand is some kind of reset when there is a jackpot.  This is missing.
Should this be normal on?  normal off?  If I use a push-to-contact would it do the job?

Any other ideas about my problem?


If that sideswitch is a keyswitch (a round "barrel shaped" switch that can be turned by inserting a key) then it is likely the RESET switch. They are available for less than $10, it simply mounts in the round hole with a nut on the inside to tighten up. It has 2 terminals, the wires that slip on can be installed either way, they should be laying or hanging inside the machine nearby. You could rig some kind of switch until you get the correct one, or just touch the 2 reset wires to each other, then disconnect them. It is low voltage but don't let them short to the machine chassis. The switch is normally in the "open" position, meaning the 2 wires are not connected to each other. When the switch is activated the 2 wires are connected momentarily and that sends a signal to the mpu board.

Here is an example of a RESET keyswitch:
http://rudysdeals.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=56&product_id=773
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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2016, 01:33:29 PM »
The previous owner has hacked (with a drill) the reset switch, perhaps he lost the key.  I will install a key switch as I have plenty around.
Thanks for clearing up the normal position of this switch (for operation is open, for reset is closed).

This reset switch, is actually resetting the mpu board, like the one (push switch) onboard the mpu pcb? Right now, sorting the wires produces no result.

The only switch that does something in my machine (it resets as it should) is onboard the mpu pcb.

I can't get the thing to do anything else pass the "82".  Does the flashing of the coin lights indicate some kind of error code?

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2016, 02:18:20 PM »
Here is a table (below) listing the tilt or error codes the machine can display. I'm not very familiar with your machine but it is possible the error code 82 is due to the machine thinking the door is not closed. I'd try getting that broken door switch (Cherry switch) fixed and go from there. I've attached what I think is a manual for the Bally 5000 Plus, in case you don't have it.

I don't think the RESET keyswitch on the side of the machine is to do what we sometimes think of as an mpu reset or reboot. I think it is to send a signal to the mpu board to resume play after the machine has paused for a jackpot handpay event, and maybe for other times. But it isn't like a reset button that resets the microprocessor to start things all over fresh like after a power up. They put the reset function on the RESET keyswitch so that casino slot people can come over when you hit a jackpot because the machine pauses when a jackpot occurs. It stays paused until the jackpot is taken care of by someone handing you money, then they insert the reset key and turn the switch to let the machine start playing again. Turning the reset keyswitch probably won't have any effect except at times when it is needed. If I am wrong about all of this maybe someone that is familiar with Bally machines will chime in and give correct advice.

These machines were built for use in a casino. It isn't going to play or let you do much if it thinks the main door is open.

I don't know about the flashing of the coin lights, maybe that is covered in the manual.
 
After you get the main door Cherry switch replaced and then with the main door closed see what happens.

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2016, 01:11:11 PM »
George!
Did you make Ram clear after replace battery?
When write Error code on display is only one display,

I have bally 5000 plus "stars and bars".
Tomorrow I can send picture from inside.

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2016, 11:35:02 PM »
The machine was out of power and with a dead battery for several years.  And it was stored in a really dusty place.
Unfortunately, in the attempt to clean the inside of the cabinet, they took all parts out and disconnect all connectors.  So I was given basically a pile of stuff, not an assembled unit.
I'm an electronics tech guy so for me is easy to do any required work, but I lack experience with this kind of machines.

So right now I'm in the reading phase to get acquainted with the inner workings of this beast.

After replacing the battery, I did not make a RAM clear because I could not get the thing to respond to any procedure found around the net.

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2016, 02:58:57 AM »
Try this:

Switch power off machine:
Pull out IO (upper) board from cage (on front ribbon cable still )
Switch power on:
if display showte CP an CL .. 
Ram will ceared.

Switch poer off, and push IO board back.
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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2016, 08:10:10 AM »
I did try this, but still only "82" is shown.  Nothing else.

I've checked the ram chips on my programmer and they are ok, so the fault is elsewhere.
I think I might start exchanging logic chips on the board.

BTW the battery is of rechargeable type.  Should the board try to send charging current to the battery?  Because in my board there is no charging current when the machine is on.  I would expect the board to try and keep the battery charged.  Otherwise I see no reason for a rechargeable battery there.

EPROMS have this date on their sticker: 03-31-93

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2016, 08:38:49 AM »
Try this clear method:
Turn off power. Move the JUMPER on MPU board from J15 to J14 power up the game. Wait a few seconds and observe the LED display. When you see the "CH/CL" then ram has been cleared.


Most of my Bally 5000 and 5000+ board  on solders side is diode with some wire and cut.


Some of them I convert to lithium battery cr2030 like in pc  cmos battery. I put battery socket from bad pc motherboard.
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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2016, 02:52:34 PM »
Moving the jumper has no effect.  Still the only responce is "82".  This will not change even if I leave it for long time.

I will do a better check on the mpu board and see if I can find any fault.  There might be corrosion around the area of the older battery.
Is there any kind of service diagram for these?

The way the machine is made is not easy to do a live test on the board.  I might need to make some extensions to work on the board and probe voltages etc.

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2016, 03:48:42 PM »
...Moving the jumper has no effect.  Still the only responce is "82".  This will not change even if I leave it for long time.....

Did you get the main door cherry switch replaced and wired correctly? That error code 82 you keep having relates to a DOOR OPEN problem according to the Bally 5000+ manual. Looks like the old cherry door switch has broken contacts.

 
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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2016, 12:14:27 AM »
The door switch is not the problem.
I've patched it temporarely while I wait for a new one to arrive.

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2016, 08:27:16 PM »
Here is the fix for the nagging 82 code. See attached.
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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #15 on: February 29, 2016, 03:48:02 AM »
This procedure is been carried out - perhaps by the factory.  There is already a short between the 2 points using the same patch cable as other places on the back side of the board.

I can't get the thing to do a RAM clear.  I tried all suggestions with no result.  I think in my case there is a fault elsewhere and this is indicated by the 4 flashes.
If the flash error code list is accurate it means there is a problem with RAM chips, but I tested the chips and are OK.  Which suggests a problem with some logic chip.

I even have the same error (82) even if I remove completely the EPROM daughter board!  Which means the machine is not booting properly.

I will try to find the problem if I can find a way to check the board outside the cabinet.


By the way, I notice that in order to get the NiCd (NiMh) battery to charge is to insert jumper J16.




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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #16 on: February 29, 2016, 08:24:26 AM »
Interesting about the jumper for charging the battery. Are there dipswitches or other jumpers that may be set to the wrong position that could be causing a problem? Someone before you got the machine may have tried different things and changed some of them. We haven't see a photo of your mpu (main logic board), perhaps someone here might notice something if you posted a photo. You mentioned earlier that prev owners had removed all the main assemblies from the machine, maybe there is a cable or connector somewhere not connected, or a security switch that is disconnected, causing the machine to malfunction, particularly around the cash storage box and mpu card cage?
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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #17 on: February 29, 2016, 09:19:24 AM »
Indeed the machine was a pile of parts.
Here are the photos of my mpu board before I replace the battery.

By comparing photos found on the net I see that on my machine there is no J7 jumper installed. (next to J14)
If I install J7 the number of flashes changes from 4 to 7 (if I remember correctly) but still the error remains 82.
All other jumpers seem identical.

On the bottom side of the board at the right top hand side as you see in the picture, there are 2 short blue wires.  These are "fix" for the 82 error as pointed out by user Badbaud.
The board had this modification perhaps from factory.


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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #18 on: February 29, 2016, 09:53:13 AM »
On the lower right side of the board are two 40 pin chips. Remove the bottom one (permanently, it is not needed) and try clearing again.

If that doesn't work you may need clear chips to clear the board.

You may want to send the board to Larry and we can check it out on our tester.

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Re: bally 5000+ error 82
« Reply #19 on: February 29, 2016, 01:39:04 PM »
I will try this and report.
Unfortunatelly I'm not in USA so it might not worth the cost to send for repair.

 

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