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Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« on: December 27, 2016, 12:34:55 PM »
I have got this machine accepting the coins and and the reels spin and stop..
Problems:


#1.  The coin accepted light never comes on (the insert coin comes on and goes off after first coin is inserted).  It's a 5 coin machine and the top box shows each coin being accepted but the coin accpted light never lights.  the bulb is good.


#2.  I 've never hit any win at all (I've played atleast 50 spins.  I've tried to spin reels and hold clock while stopping reels on a win and it still doesn't pay out.


probably got a few other problems that will show up.


thanks
Bob




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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2016, 01:24:16 PM »
not sure if it's a problem but there is something on the top of the capacitor in the pic that looks odd to me,

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2016, 02:19:19 PM »
Bob,  the coin accepted switch is on the left side of the reel, its part of the coin accept relay circuits, don't have the schematic here with me, but I could probably tell you which wire it is later, any way the color of the wire on the bulb socket MIGHT  be the same as coming off the relay switch.  chech all the switch contacts on that relay, if they are all good then you have a broken wire, pushed in contact on the beau plug, or dirty contact.

the insert coin should go out after the first coin is inserted.

check the zero stop switch on the hopper for the payout problem,  count up the counter by hand and reset it , then do it again, watch the zero stop switch, it should drop open immediately on the first click.

that's an old paper cap, probably just some crud coming out of the vent hole, could be drying out??  just knock it off and clean it up, you might be ok, if not read the value on the side of the cap and replace with the same. the important thing is to replace the same way especially if it is an electrolytic cap, polarity is critical, if you put it in backwards it will pop.

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2016, 03:45:59 PM »
Progress!!
I cleaned and adjsuted cpin accept contacts on the left side of the reel, the coin accepted light now lights with first coin. 


I can manually trip coin switch on hopper to simulate coins being paid out and the winner paid light comes on, it goes out with next handle pull (which I believe is right).


I still have not had any payouts while playing or manually stopping reels at a payout.


Thanks
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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2016, 07:21:08 PM »
here's pic of side of reels with the 3 switch sets.  Can someonen tell which one is A, B and C?
Also thought maybe someone is see a problem with them

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2016, 07:41:29 PM »
here's a wire that is hanging loose, any idea where it goes and if it 's needed?  it's on right middle of pciture and has a blue insluated connector of it.

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2016, 09:02:16 PM »
Yellow /white.   Coin out meter. Not needed now.

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2016, 10:27:59 PM »
Photo of the reel mechanism switches, A, B, C and coin relay switch.
Okay, Jim helped you out on the coin accepted light.
Try cleaning the payout relay, usually located left top side of hopper.

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2016, 11:53:40 AM »
Here's a few pics of the payout counter/100 tooth wheel.  I have cleaned the contacts and I believe they are operating properly.  I also know the hopper works because I operated coil and it spins.  I've tried several payouts and the hopper never starts.


Insert Coin light is on, goes off with first coin and coin accepted light comes on.

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2016, 01:24:04 PM »
I tried testing the 3 50v coils on the hopper, 2 of the 3 tested good using jumpers, the 3rd (pictured) did not.  Is there another way to test the coil to see if it's open (bad)?


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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2016, 02:00:33 PM »
I can just barely see the second alligator clip in the bottom left of photo.    Did you go directly to both taps on the relay itself?  The coil looks good.  I don't see the shrink tube pulled back from  70 tap.   


There are two switches in that relay bank that close and start hopper turning.  52 to 30.   Is that the relay you pushed by hand and hopper spun?


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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2016, 02:28:16 PM »
You can check a coil for resistance, but you will need to compare with a good coil and one side should be disconnected.
I checked a G-33 -2800 on 200 ohms and got a reading between 110 and 105 ohms resistance. If no reading then there is an open.

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2016, 02:40:07 PM »
For testing the coils I connected one lead to the 50V fuse at back of cabinet and the other to the yellow wire on the coin switch (using my volt meter I did get 53v).  the coil pictured aboove did not pull in the other 2 on the hopper did.  And yes that  is the coil that starts the hopper spinning.

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2016, 03:24:26 PM »
Prior to checking the payout coil, did you check the Safety Timer? Bottom left side of the machine, it might need to be reset.
Safety Timer and the Payout relay are the two switch between the 110v and the hopper motor.

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2016, 03:42:26 PM »
Prior to checking the payout coil, did you check the Safety Timer? Bottom left side of the machine, it might need to be reset.
Safety Timer and the Payout relay are the two switch between the 110v and the hopper motor.
The safety time is reset (light is off).

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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2016, 05:07:35 PM »
I set the hopper outside the slot and used an extension cable to connect it.  I then tripped coin switch and pulled handle, I stopped reels on a pay.  at that time i used my volt meter and it showed 53 volts at coil (coil did not pull in).  I then tripped coin switch and pulled handle.  When the reels stopped (not on pay) I rechecked voltage to coil and it was 0.
I un-soldered the coil and removed from machine, then took ohm reading at the 2 lugs and it had no reading.
I feel pretty certain that all leads to coil being bad.  Its a G-32 2500.  Where is a good place to buy one of these?


any other thoughts before I buy the coil??


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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2016, 05:41:57 PM »
Good work finding the cause of the problem, sounds like the coil is bad.
Used coils on eBay are fairly reasonable or try some sellers on the NLG site.

Since you have the coil out.
Under the ID wrap there is a possibility that a wire is broken.
If this is the case, its possible to unwind and reconnect.
A couple of winding's won't be missed.   
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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2016, 02:39:37 PM »
Great diagnostic job.  IF you need a coil I have a few friends that have many Bally Parts.  PM me.  One guy has no computer at all.  I will send you his phone number.


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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2016, 02:43:51 PM »
Great diagnostic job.  IF you need a coil I have a few friends that have many Bally Parts.  PM me.  One guy has no computer at all.  I will send you his phone number.


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Re: Bally 945-3 Coin accepted light and payout problems
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2017, 06:51:09 PM »
In stalled new coil and set machine to payout, sparks flying everywhere!!!!  After some thought I decided to adjust contacts (some were real wide apart) and now coil pulls in, hopper runs and payouts!!!


Problems:  Set it for one coin payout  thaT that should have paid $1.00 but paid everytime.  Then set it for 5 coin payout (should be $5) but it paid out $1.05 again.


I'll play with it some more tomorrow and retry a few payouts and see what happens.


Atleast this is major progress.


thanks for all the help.

 

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