Author Topic: Empire King S+ missing bill acceptor (Read 26556 times)

therockinelvis · « **Reply #40 on:** January 15, 2016, 07:19:29 PM »

This guy has one on his site. maybe he can help

http://www.pinballandmore.com/slotmachines.php

Sunrise Side · « **Reply #41 on:** January 15, 2016, 07:27:22 PM »

Have you double checked the polarity of the button cell battery you replaced on the board in the upper cabinet? If battery is in backward it will throw a error code.

TheBrave · « **Reply #42 on:** January 15, 2016, 07:51:59 PM »

therockinelvis: that's the place I bought it from. Good people for sure, but it was non-functional for them as it is for me. The good news (with the help of you fine folk) I got past the 61 code that they couldn't.

Sunrise, the polarity is ok. I just checked as you suggested and it's as it should be. I do have one question about that...the battery I took out had CR2032 stamped on it. I replaced it with a CR2025. Is there a difference?

I know this: the bottom half is fine. Something weird happened tonight, as it started to work. Accepted coins and my wife and I had a few spins! When she hit a "climb" bonus on a reel, the 64 code came back. That's a for-sure the top is not communicating with the bottom, as the monkey should have started his thing.

I'm going to just pull it apart and put it all back together using new (used) boards over the course of time. Although, my wife seems to think that this molex plug (which is coming up from the bottom) should be plugged into something.

I told her lots of machines use somewhat "generic" wire harnesses that can have empty plugs, but maybe she's right. I can't find anything for this to hook into so I really don't know. It uses all but two connectors in it and there's nothing else in the machine, that I can see, that has that.

BTW, I started it up with the top glass off and I can see a green LED on the power supply. I'm guessing that means it's working.

I also told my wife if she finds me dead in the game room she'll know what did me in. She suggested to use the top glass as my headstone.

Johnny

Sunrise Side · « **Reply #43 on:** January 15, 2016, 08:54:07 PM »

Did you check the voltage of the battery you installed? 3 volts ? Not sure what the difference is in those battery numbers if it is diameter or thickness? Does the battery fit snuggly in the holder? The limit switch at the bottom of the King Kong screw climbing assembly, is the limit switch working?

Sunrise Side · « **Reply #44 on:** January 15, 2016, 09:03:51 PM »

Try lubricating the screw assembly and the motor that turns the screw assembly. If it is dragging/dry and does not move freely it will throw a code.

cowboygames · « **Reply #45 on:** January 15, 2016, 10:01:25 PM »

Battery number difference affects size and power. Is the battery tight in the holder?
Is there any kind of test button on the top box unit?

therockinelvis · « **Reply #46 on:** January 16, 2016, 06:38:42 AM »

No idea about the AC/coin. My barcrest Top Dollar had a problem and it was a small comm. board located behind the hopper just under reel #3. Yours has two under reel 1 & 2 and I see the left one with orange sticker does not appear to have anything plugged in.

TheBrave · « **Reply #47 on:** January 16, 2016, 09:06:56 AM »

Quote from: Sunrise Side on January 15, 2016, 08:54:07 PM

Did you check the voltage of the battery you installed? 3 volts ? Not sure what the difference is in those battery numbers if it is diameter or thickness? Does the battery fit snuggly in the holder? The limit switch at the bottom of the King Kong screw climbing assembly, is the limit switch working?

Yes, the battery is new and putting out 3v. Seems to fit fine but I'll pick up some 2032's anyway and replace it. The switch at the bottom of the screw assembly is ON, meaning the mech is sitting on the switch, but I don't know if it's any good. Pic attached. I may have one like that laying around I can install, I just have dig for it.

I haven't greased anything on this machine but I honestly never thought of it! I have some lithium I can use on the mech but I may only have access to the shaft on [size=78%]the motor[/size][/size][size=78%]. [/size][size=78%][/size]Definitely[size=78%][/size][size=78%] worth a try.[/size][size=78%]

Quote from: cowboygames on January 15, 2016, 10:01:25 PM

Battery number difference affects size and power. Is the battery tight in the holder?
Is there any kind of test button on the top box unit?

The only button I can find upstairs is a reset/on/off switch for the topper, which does work. Pic attached.

Quote from: therockinelvis on January 16, 2016, 06:38:42 AM

No idea about the AC/coin. My barcrest Top Dollar had a problem and it was a small comm. board located behind the hopper just under reel #3. Yours has two under reel 1 & 2 and I see the left one with orange sticker does not appear to have anything plugged in.

Me either. Whoever designed and built this thing knew what they were doing. I do not.
The box on the left does have one 6 pin connecter on the bottom that's plugged in and going to the MB at the base of the machine, behind the hopper. Pic attached. I took them both out yesterday in hopes there might be a battery in there, but no dice.

I found an exact replacement comm board for this slot on Amazon (they really do have everything) so I ordered it and I'll put that one in when it gets here. Mine does have an LED lit up that reads ERR, (top middle), so it could be it's a bad board or it's just detecting something. Either way, new battery, new board and we will see how it goes.

Johnny

TheBrave · « **Reply #48 on:** January 20, 2016, 11:42:12 AM »

Ok, so I threw some money at this thing, and replaced the lower mother board, a new controller card and a new correct size 2032 button battery, but no change in the 64 code. Worse case is I now have spare boards.

I'm turning my attention to the power supply in the top cabinet, and although it has a green LED lit up, (post#42), I'm suspicious.

This is a 12v S-60-12 switching power supply (I think it's switching) and I can find them online no problem. The label in the photo is the only exterior marking. The thing is, when I put my multi meter on the output, it jumps all over the place; 35.0, 5.2, 13.4, 2.0, 0.L (never seen that last one before). The input is a steady 120v.

Since this could be a switching power supply, should the output be doing that? Hoping I get a bunch of "No's"

Johnny

Sunrise Side · « **Reply #49 on:** January 20, 2016, 12:30:22 PM »

You may be on the right track with the power supply. I read somewhere about the power supplies being an common problem in the top cabinet of these models.

Jim · « **Reply #50 on:** January 20, 2016, 12:45:04 PM »

that power supply should be putting out a DC voltage 12 volts DC. when your meter is jumping around like it you may have it on AC voltage range. also make sure you are using the ground for that power supply to measure the voltage. Barcrest machines had that code as well, usually meant that the bottom cpu wasn't talking to the top cpu, the board on the back wall behind the hopper was the interface for the two cpu's, the red and green LED's usually flash when the two are talking.

Jim

Jim · « **Reply #51 on:** January 20, 2016, 12:51:24 PM »

also, looking at your pictures in your first post, I can see where the one cable is not connected to the interface board??

Jim

jay · « **Reply #52 on:** January 20, 2016, 12:54:06 PM »

My thoughts are that you should grab a barcrest manual. I would suspect that the error codes are probably common across top box games. Probably conforming to some IGT book of secrets.

TheBrave · « **Reply #53 on:** January 20, 2016, 01:10:29 PM »

Jim, you're right. Was checking output with AC. DC reads a steady 12.08v. Crap!! Maybe I'll buy one anyway.

Regarding the first photo, the white connector in the background is supposed to be for the missing bill acceptor. There's another two-pin connector in the foreground for the same thing.

I wish this was a Barcrest machine. None of the top box internals exist in this thing compared to the Barcrest. Appears to be more AC Coin, so unfortunately, no battery upstairs to replace.

If anyone knows where to get AC Coin boards, please let me know. I'd be interested to get some new/working used. Or, even some photos of the upstairs guts of another IGT Empire King/Deluxe or Merlin. Would be curious to make comparisons.

Johnny

TheBrave · « **Reply #54 on:** January 20, 2016, 01:40:12 PM »

Quote from: Jim on January 20, 2016, 12:45:04 PM

the board on the back wall behind the hopper was the interface for the two cpu's, the red and green LED's usually flash when the two are talking.

Jim

When you say red and green LED's are you talking about the two black boxes in the first post's photo? Mine are not flashing in either box and those are the only LED's I see in that area. The red LED on the board on the right does flash for a split second when powering on, but stays dark after that.

What I do see, are two plugs on each. One four pin, one six. The six is plugged in on both, but the four pin is not on the left. I can't find another disconnected four pin wire anywhere near it, but I'm wondering if that's power.

Johnny

TheBrave · « **Reply #55 on:** January 21, 2016, 03:39:42 PM »

I've been looking thru the NLG trying to find photos of how those black boxes are supposed to be hooked up. Can anyone direct me to a link to another post, or maybe put up a few pics? I'd like to make some comparisons if I can.

I'm adding a few other photos here of what I have. The bottom line is that I don't know what's supposed to be hooked in or not. Both of my black boxes are not active with the flashing LED's so I'd like to see how others are wired up.

Johnny

therockinelvis · « **Reply #56 on:** January 21, 2016, 05:32:49 PM »

Your's is the only one I have ever seen with two, so I have nothing. There was someone on EBay that was selling AC coin machines but I remember them all being S2000's. Search our members for CP and send him a message, he may know or have some of those machines.

Sunrise Side · « **Reply #57 on:** January 21, 2016, 06:19:39 PM »

Can you post a pic of the motherboard wire connections in the lower cabinet at the MPU? At the right hand side of the motherboard.

TheBrave · « **Reply #58 on:** January 22, 2016, 11:11:00 AM »

therockinelvis: I got in touch with CP as you suggested, but he doesn't have any AC Coin parts. Still, maybe the word will get out that I'm looking.

Sunrise: here's a few pis. I hope this is what you're looking for. If you want different angles, let me know. BTW, I replaced the board on the bottom and also the little 8-pin chip using an IC socket. Still no luck.

Also, does anyone know what that lock is for, with the green/yellow wires? I used a key from another slot that turns it, and it's plugged into the board but doesn't do anything. The lock next to it is missing which I'm guessing was for locking the motherboard in.

Johnny

Jim · « **Reply #59 on:** January 22, 2016, 01:03:26 PM »

went on the old site, found this post about a Barcrest with a 64 code, showed the wiring in relation to the interface board.

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=1838.0

also, there was a member, angryningas, who had one of these machine up and working , you may want to check out that thread, or contact him. haven't seen him on here in a long time.

Jim

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