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Game Identification
« on: September 25, 2017, 05:40:15 AM »
Does the model number help identify the game, or do you need the number off the chip?

I have a model number: IA65C from January 1996 IGT Double Double Bonus Poker

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Re: Game Identification
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2017, 06:13:43 AM »
The best way is to post a photo of the machine showing the entire front. And a photo of the mpu (main circuit board). That will id the machine positively 99% of the time.
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Re: Game Identification
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2017, 08:02:31 AM »


A game kit for a PE+ consists of:
Data Chip
Program Chip
If you are running a superboard or just the program chip if you are running a standard board.
Generally speaking (and there are exceptions) the superboards are a bright green while the standard boards are more brown.


These chips are then supported by a set of graphics chips.


Cap Rom (standard board) Cap X Rom (Superboard)
MXO
MGO
MRO
MBO


While it is best to have the right graphics for the theme you have - its not a given.


Potentially the paytable on the glass is often a giveaway for the chip numbers - but the on-screen paytable is much more reliable.


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http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=2547.0

 
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Re: Game Identification
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2017, 02:16:42 AM »
From some other old posts it sounds like it's a PE+ with a built-in dollar bill validator.  But a picture or two would help us tell you for sure.
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Re: Game Identification
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2017, 04:21:55 AM »
Well I found out something after I bought the game.

It has Multi-Poker programmed into it. Someone replaced the chips with custom ones.

So how do I know which version I have and what the payouts are?

Also, can I still use a SET chip to turn on the DBV?
How do I get the Bill Stacker door open below the DBV?

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Re: Game Identification
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2017, 07:04:54 AM »
Well I found out something after I bought the game.

It has Multi-Poker programmed into it. Someone replaced the chips with custom ones.

So how do I know which version I have and what the payouts are?

Also, can I still use a SET chip to turn on the DBV?
How do I get the Bill Stacker door open below the DBV?

That's a nice, clean looking machine.

Game chips can maybe be identified if you will post a photo of the mpu board showing the chips in sockets with labels. The mpu is easily removed, just pull outward on the black knobs and the metal tray with the mpu will slide out of the machine.

The game chips won't affect how the bill validator is enabled, that is done with the SET chip. Before you bought it when you turned the machine on at the seller's location and it gave you a menu screen with several games to pick from that tells you that it doesn't have single game software installed anymore. This is not uncommon, many people like to have multi-game instead of single game. But you can change it back to single-game by replacing the game eproms if you want to.

Did you find the Test / Setup pushbutton inside the machine? That is how you access the setup screens, can also do some diagnostic tests.

Looks like the security lock has been removed from the cash box, can you pull outward on the box to remove it? I think it just slides in and out.

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Re: Game Identification
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2017, 07:29:26 AM »
Oops, I thought I posted that pic.

I tried to pull the door, but it seems to be stuck. I did not want to force it.

Also, I did get into the menu system. I did not make any changes, but curious if there is an instruction manual for the menus?

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Re: Game Identification
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2017, 07:37:15 AM »
The game chips are home-made, programmed by someone with an eprom programmer. This is not unusual, the game software is easily available from many places and it isn't a problem doing that except they didn't write on the label what version the game software is. There is a NLG member named Brian that is very familiar with the various PE and PE+ game software, he or someone else may be able to id the chips by looking at the display on your machine.

Here is one of Brian's write-ups:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=2547.msg12717#msg12717

And here is info on how to enable the bill validator:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=334.msg945#msg945

Someone else will say for sure but if there isn't a locking lever on the side of the cash box then I thought it just pulled out. Did the seller give you the keys to the main door and show you anything about the machine?
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Re: Game Identification
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2017, 07:47:04 AM »
.....I tried to pull the door, but it seems to be stuck. I did not want to force it.......


Maybe the cash box is jammed stuck due to all the $20 & $100 bills inside??   :garfield:

There might be a PE+ manual in the NLG download area:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=downloads

Also, when you press the white TEST button one of the menu screens should let you select an option to put the game's paytable on the screen during game play, or you can select to not show the paytable and that will give more room on the screen for game graphics. From your photos it looks like the paytable is being displayed. For the player payback percentage (player win percentage) of the game you will have to id the game software.

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Re: Game Identification
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2017, 10:38:48 AM »
ok, found it. To see what version of game software you have you insert your jackpot reset key into the machine and turn it. This will enter the financial and bookkeeping screens. Keep turning the reset key until you get to a screen that shows the game software version, it will be the top line on that screen, will be something like "PPxxxx". That number will id your game software.

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Re: Game Identification
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2017, 12:26:21 PM »
As for your cash can door, there is a lever just inside to the top. You need to put your finger or a small screw driver just inside. Put it up and pull the door open. You see how the door sticks out where the lock fits. That's where the lever is. It's a little tricky the first time you open these. I just remove the door after it's open.
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Re: Game Identification
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2017, 11:28:29 AM »
Thanks for the info.

I will look into these as soon as I can.

NOTE: I do not have access to the download portion of the site.


Regarding the Payout Scale, I guess I meant I was looking for the PAR sheet. (I have this for my Bally reel slot machine. It gives me the return percentage on the program of the machine.)

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Re: Game Identification
« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2017, 11:47:25 AM »
Unlike a slot there is no PAR.
The percentage can be calculated by looking at the paytable.
Some paytables are even over 100% payback - and these are live in Vegas
You will seem the same collection of old dudes hanging onto these machines in shifts 24/7


Other systems that have high %% payback you get people playing for comps.


With that said Brian Troha has assembled a impressive collection of what game chips have what features paybacks etc. This can be found in the pe section as an XLS attachment to one of the sticky posts

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Re: Game Identification
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2017, 10:20:28 PM »
Regarding the Payout Scale, I guess I meant I was looking for the PAR sheet. (I have this for my Bally reel slot machine. It gives me the return percentage on the program of the machine.)


Not a lot of PARs floating around for the PE+, but the Poker section of the IGT game bible (here: http://newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%20Poker/Game%20Library%20-%20PE-Plus.htm ) shows payback percentages for a number of PE+ games, including many of the Multi Poker chips.

As Jay said, the payback percentage for any video poker game can be calculated by looking at the paytable.  The Wizard of Odds has a nice calculator on his website that will allow you to analyze nearly any video poker game, here: https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/analyzer/
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Re: Game Identification
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2017, 06:08:05 AM »
Looks like I have the XM00002P Multi-Poker program.

Since I am lazy, what chip is needed to program the SET Chip? I have a burner and a bunch of different chips.


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Re: Game Identification
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Re: Game Identification
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2017, 07:07:17 AM »
So what is the approximate value of these machines like I have?

I think I got a fair price, but curious to see what the range is.

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Re: Game Identification
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2017, 10:37:57 AM »
Price depends on location.
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Re: Game Identification
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2017, 11:49:12 AM »
Price depends on location.

I am in the Louisville area.


Sorry, I am used to the other forum I am a member of lists your location as part of your signature.

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Re: Game Identification
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2017, 06:45:25 PM »
$200-$275 for good working PE+, decent monitor and cabinet not rusted or banged up, glass in good condition. A working bill validator that accepts new-style bills and a nice slot stand that goes with the machine can up the price. But prices vary a lot depending on the seller, how much he has in the machine, what he thinks it is worth, and how badly the buyer wants it. It's like buying a used car, as long as you are happy with the price that's all that matters. But if you bought it to resell then you have to get it for enough under what you will be able to sell it for to make it worthwhile.
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