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Re: No diagrams for Bally 1096
« Reply #40 on: February 07, 2018, 08:58:18 PM »
Doug,

Glad you are getting somewhere, where are you at now as far as play-ability of the machine ?
Dave

From power on:
1) coin accepted light is on.
2) deposit coin light is on.
3) upper glass 1st coin is on.
4) inside door coin deflector is pulled in.
That's it. dropping coins has no effect on anything.

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Re: No diagrams for Bally 1096
« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2018, 09:08:59 PM »
Over to the right in the upper unit theíre 3 relay switches mounted a plywood.
One of those may be labeled odds reset relay.
It can be manually manipulated to reset the odds unit.
This may help narrow down the problem.
Try it first to see what happens, if nothing happens then clean the contacts.

From front to back they are labeled #1, #2, #3.
#1 advances step up. "2nd coin" lights. Hit it again & "3rd coin" lights. hitting it again just pulses but doesn't advance further.
#2 Resets it.
#3 releases coin deflector in door and stays until power off.

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Re: No diagrams for Bally 1096
« Reply #42 on: February 07, 2018, 10:05:56 PM »
Try the reset switch, that one should reset the machine to one coin in.
The step up relay switch will keep try to step up the odds unit when manually operated.
But the big white ratchet gear has a flat spot preventing the gear from move any further.
Normally on the 3rd coin the coin lock out will prevent the coin from hitting the coin in switch.
Thus no more pulses to step up the odds unit.


Your making good progress and have proof most switches and coils are working.


Check the reset relay for continuity within the contacts with the machine off.
I use a cheap test light. The type that has a probe and a wire with a clip on the end.
Sometimes contacts look and or are closed but arenít making continuity.
Always try testing by touching the solder joint or the side of the contact blade first when possible.
If you put your test probe on the flat surface near the contacts there is a possibility of a false positive reading.


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Re: No diagrams for Bally 1096
« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2018, 08:11:55 PM »
Found a broken wire #97 @ Molex plug. Someone tried to solder it and melted a little of the plug. I removed the pin & repaired it the right way.
Now the problem has moved to the Handle Release Coil. If I manually operate this coil the game plays fine. I even got it to pay out!
I double checked those switches & they seem fine.
Where to next?

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Re: No diagrams for Bally 1096
« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2018, 08:53:39 PM »
The Handle Release Coil is the green one in the photo.

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Re: No diagrams for Bally 1096
« Reply #45 on: February 08, 2018, 09:21:40 PM »
That starts with the coin switch on he side of the reels.. The only way to confirm they are working is to use a meter to check the switches.. The switches can look to be closed, but they are not allowing the voltage through them. If those are all good then go back to the reels beau plugs.. When you flick your coin switch, the coil on the coin switch is energized closing the contacts. That then sends the voltage to the handle release.. Your getting close.. I would meter those coin contacts, they are the main cause of many problems..
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Re: No diagrams for Bally 1096
« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2018, 09:56:01 PM »
When the coin drop switch goes down it trips the coin relay lower left on the reels.
It is when the switch returns the handle is released. You can manually trip the coin relay latch and check the closed contacts for continuity.
Do the same for the handle release switch stack, but with the switch in the latched position.
On the older 809ís itís possible to reach in with a dowel rod and apply a little pressure to the switch.
If it unlatches itís a sure thing the contacts need adjusting and or cleaning.
Not sure if this is possible on your machine. If you have access it consider giving it a try.


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Attached is a schematic of an older 809 machine. Itís has the basic sequence of switches between the coin drop switch and the coin relay and handle release coil.

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Re: No diagrams for Bally 1096
« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2018, 10:07:18 PM »
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Re: No diagrams for Bally 1096
« Reply #48 on: February 11, 2018, 02:05:11 PM »
Thanks for the diagram. I now understand whats supposed to happen.
The down stroke of the coin drop is tripping the coin relay, but the handle release is not.
I'm having trouble distinguishing which switches on the switch banks are:
1) A-1
2) C-1
3) Payout Relay SW Location?
4) Dashpot SW Location?
5) Coin Relay SW Location?
6) C-3
7) Handle Release SW #1 Location?

Is this the correct path to follow to the Handle Release Coil?
I'll post some photos of what I have. Thanks!

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Re: No diagrams for Bally 1096
« Reply #49 on: February 11, 2018, 02:08:41 PM »
Coin Mech open & tripped.

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Re: No diagrams for Bally 1096
« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2018, 02:11:10 PM »
Handle Mech open & tripped

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Re: No diagrams for Bally 1096
« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2018, 08:05:04 PM »
A,B,C and Coin Relay switches.

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Re: No diagrams for Bally 1096
« Reply #53 on: February 12, 2018, 08:44:19 PM »
Thanks,Dave for the photo. Is the #1 switch next to the stack mounting bracket or next to the 2 screw heads? Also, how do I check that the Handle Release Coil itself is good or bad?

Thanks, Doug.
 BTW, the link for the manual worked fine. Definitely helpful.

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Re: No diagrams for Bally 1096
« Reply #54 on: February 12, 2018, 09:05:18 PM »
I believe they read from left to right. The manual has some switches labeled A-1 A-2 etc.
The first few pages of the manual is very informative, lot of info on switches, coils, contacts and more.

Most likely there is a solid orange wire on the handle release coil. If you jump a solid yellow wire letís say from the lights on the door. To the other solder join, possibly a white/blue wire it should activate the coil.


Does the coin relay react when the coin switch is depressed? You should hear ithe coin relay switch unlatch.
If it doesnít the handle release switch will not release.


Did you try pressing down lightly on the handle release switch stack with a dowel rod?

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Re: No diagrams for Bally 1096
« Reply #55 on: February 12, 2018, 10:12:03 PM »
I have seen the handle release coil struggle to release because of old dry grease on the handle release plate where it latches in the open posisition. Carefully inspect and clean the latch point, then apply a very small amount of grease to the area. Same thing can happen on the coin switch release coil.
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Re: No diagrams for Bally 1096
« Reply #56 on: February 13, 2018, 11:05:59 AM »
Cleaned and re-greased Coin & Handle Release Relay coil latch points. I jumped the yellow from the coin switch to the white/blue on the handle release coil. It did not activate it. The coin relay does react when the coin switch is depressed. I can see the switches move. Pressing the handle release switch stack with a dowel has no effect (if i'm doing it right)

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Re: No diagrams for Bally 1096
« Reply #57 on: February 13, 2018, 11:22:37 AM »
Cleaned and re-greased Coin & Handle Release Relay coil latch points. I jumped the yellow from the coin switch to the white/blue on the handle release coil. It did not activate it. The coin relay does react when the coin switch is depressed. I can see the switches move. Pressing the handle release switch stack with a dowel has no effect (if i'm doing it right)

If using the jumper wires on the handle release coil didn't activate it, then it sounds like it's bad. Do you have a meter to double check check the coil?  You could remove the handle release coil assembly. Remove the two 1/2" nuts holding it the the machine on the top of the handle, then unplug the molex connector. You can get a better look at the assembly for problems this way..
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Re: No diagrams for Bally 1096
« Reply #58 on: February 13, 2018, 07:15:06 PM »
Getting closer! Removed orange wire from Handle Release Coil to test. Coil is good. Traced orange wire to the plug, only 6 inches long but it was broken in 2 places. The shield was hollow inside. That's a new one on me!
Machine works now. (i'm so happy that I signed up for another month)
Next step is to test the payout. I read somewhere that you can set the reels to make it payout. How do I do that with the 1090? I've also got alot of bad bulbs. Where do I get them?

You guys Rock!
Thanks, Doug

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Re: No diagrams for Bally 1096
« Reply #59 on: February 13, 2018, 07:55:10 PM »
What bulbs do you need, #47, #63, florescent bulbs and starters?
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