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Title: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: Sunrise Side on June 10, 2014, 09:36:00 AM
If someone tries to take one of my tickets from my machine to the local casino, is there going to be trouble?


 I do not need the Indians after me.


Anyone ever had a problem in the past?



Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: cowboygames on June 10, 2014, 09:42:10 AM
It's akin to taking forged currency to the store. If you like lot's of excitement give it a try...
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: Sunrise Side on June 10, 2014, 09:50:42 AM
I have no interest in doing so, but I have a lot of family and friends that play my collection. At some point someone may think they can get away with something.


I like the feature for home use but I don't need trouble if a ticket makes it to the casino.


Damn spent all that money and time on TITO and may as well turn it off.
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: IGT on June 10, 2014, 09:58:08 AM
You could print, "NO CASH VALUE", somewhere on the ticket, such as a the CITY/STATE/ZIP field, or some other similar type of "hey this isn't real money so don't try to use elsewhere" kind of message.
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: cowboygames on June 10, 2014, 10:30:17 AM
Warn people about not attempting it and the fact that it not only won't work but that being discovered would be a felony and just continue to enjoy using it at home. Like IGT said, as long as you the owner make no attempt to make them match a casino's ticket then your a$$ is covered. People need to be responsible for their own actions once they know the law
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: CVslots on June 10, 2014, 01:49:36 PM
As long as your name and address aren't on the ticket, I don't know how it could link back to you?  :Scratch-Head:  The tickets will not validate anywhere but your house, so it's not like they are gonna get anywhere trying anyhow. If they were to be caught with the ticket, there could be an issue between them and the casino, but not sure, as wouldnt it be the same as taking a Bellagio ticket to your local Indian casino? It's only valid and redeemable at the casino that printed it.
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: Ron (r273) on June 10, 2014, 02:03:17 PM
As long as your name and address aren't on the ticket, I don't know how it could link back to you?  :Scratch-Head:  The tickets will not validate anywhere but your house, so it's not like they are gonna get anywhere trying anyhow. If they were to be caught with the ticket, there could be an issue between them and the casino, but not sure, as wouldnt it be the same as taking a Bellagio ticket to your local Indian casino? It's only valid and redeemable at the casino that printed it.


 :agreepost:   Advise your friends and relation, putting in a counterfeit ticket or money may also set an alarm off in the security office. After they take your picture at that machine, you will be visited by not so happy casino personal. :yes:
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: cowboygames on June 10, 2014, 02:06:33 PM
It's knowingly attempting to defraud the casino. Just because it doesn't work it still proves intent and if the idiot gets caught and says you told him it was OK to try and cover his butt then you may have a legal battle. The ticket you take to Ceasars from the Bellagio at least has actual cash value.
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: TheAirBalancer on June 10, 2014, 10:42:21 PM
I joked about this once on the old site. I actually have some full blank ticket packs for a local casino here at my home with the casino's logo huge on the back. I said I'd print one for $50,000 and just show it people at the casino. Harvs warned the following (paraphrasing) "your head will be swelled up like a pumpkin in the trunk of someone's car"  :24: .


Seriously though, even when I'm using them I print the name of software in the machine in the "establishment" line so I know where it came from, and I leave the city, state, zip not filled in. I don't worry about it myself just because those lines are clearly not filled in, or not filled in correctly plus the whole aspect of the barcode and associated serial number being really generic.


I very much like the suggestion above where you could put in every line of the ticket "No Cash Value" or something similar.
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: Harvs on June 11, 2014, 05:18:39 AM
I joked about this once on the old site. I actually have some full blank ticket packs for a local casino here at my home with the casino's logo huge on the back. I said I'd print one for $50,000 and just show it people at the casino. Harvs warned the following (paraphrasing) "your head will be swelled up like a pumpkin in the trunk of someone's car"  :24: .


Seriously though, even when I'm using them I print the name of software in the machine in the "establishment" line so I know where it came from, and I leave the city, state, zip not filled in. I don't worry about it myself just because those lines are clearly not filled in, or not filled in correctly plus the whole aspect of the barcode and associated serial number being really generic.


I very much like the suggestion above where you could put in every line of the ticket "No Cash Value" or something similar.
Ha! Yes, Anyone that would try such a thing deserves a swift beating and tossed into the trunk of a car.. Fortunately I haven't had to deliver any beatings here, my friends and family understand, they get it.


And with a ticket like this..., c'mon..


- Anyone that would even think of trying it must have the brainpower of a pumpkin.. I avoid people like that at all cost..



Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: Neonkiss on June 11, 2014, 03:01:14 PM
True Harv's, but a casino would spot that ticket a mile away as not one of theirs just by the validation code.
Now if you were using enhanced secured validation and the tickets looked like this, then you would have trouble if you were using that casinos name and address info.
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: cyenergy on July 05, 2014, 05:16:41 PM
HELLO IT WILL NOT VALIDATE ARE YOU SERIOUS .
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: foster on July 05, 2014, 05:52:22 PM
If the Casino is using enhanced validation and you happen to have some of that casino's blank tickets
You might get it to validate, the only thing is the amount, ticket number (not the bar code number) and machine/asset numbers wont match, and would be the only thing that would give away that the ticket was not printed by one of their machines.

Now depending on how closely they look at them during the count, etc, etc may or may not raise a red flag or two.

I do not recommend anyone trying to do it. Unless you want to be sleeping with Bubba at the Gray Bar Hotel for a few years.
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: jay on July 05, 2014, 06:38:38 PM
When a TITO ticket is generated by a machine its bar code is registered in the casinos SMS (slot management system) system.
IF your home ticket just happened to have the same bar code as an outstanding ticket it might validate but it would validate for the amount written on the orginal ticket not the value of yours. If the ticket was for over $1199 then you can't use the automated machine and the cashiers cage would certainly catch a ticket that said HARVS Casino vs Ceasars Enterainment etc. 
IN terms of getting in trouble ??? Ceasars (or other such name of a legitmate casino) would look at Harv's casino embossed on the redeemers ticket and politely hand it back and say something like "Sorry Wrong casino". In which case no problem. On the other hand you might get some yahoo who says "Harv's casino" whats that ? and turn you over to the gaming regulators for having an unlicensed betting parlor going on. I still rank this as a low probablility but would probably insulate myself and call this Harv's "fun" Casino where no one ever loses.
For myself its not the letter of the law - its the cost of the law. IF the authorties come knocking, seize your machines, and you go to court. You will hire a lawyer and you will successfully defend that you did nothing wrong. You will feel vindicated albiet $10,000 poorer due to legal fees.
Now what would be fun.... generating some of those $50,000 fake tickets and dropping them into the washroom tip boxes.....trading a $1000 ticket with the local prostitute... etc
 
 
 
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: Yoeddy1 on July 05, 2014, 08:02:21 PM
Now what would be fun.... generating some of those $50,000 fake tickets and dropping them into the washroom tip boxes.....trading a $1000 ticket with the local prostitute... etc

Jay, this is the best post I've read yet on the new site.

Jason
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: CVslots on July 05, 2014, 09:46:00 PM
I think bartering the ticket with a prostitute would get you MUCH further...or as Buzz would say "at least you'd get what you paid for with the prostitute".
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: Harvs on July 07, 2014, 12:12:13 AM
HARVS is back! And just a reminder.., at HARVS place, you're always a loser!


Hope everyone had a great 4th!



Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: cyenergy on July 12, 2014, 05:24:35 PM
Yea give the ticket to someone for 25% off they will take it.

Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: mark1120 on August 09, 2014, 08:12:35 PM
I've been giving TITO some thought lately.  For those that have installed it on a bunch of machines, do you find that your guests are constantly printing ticket after ticket just for the heck of it?  I guess I wouldn't mind all the tickets being printed or the cost of the tickets, but I wonder what will happen if/when the ink runs out due to so much printing.  Is it like replacing an ink cartridge on a home printer?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: Sunrise Side on August 09, 2014, 09:28:13 PM
There is no ink. The image on the ticket is done thermally/heat. Specially coated paper to work with thermal printers.
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: mark1120 on August 10, 2014, 09:59:34 AM
There is no ink. The image on the ticket is done thermally/heat. Specially coated paper to work with thermal printers.

Ahh....good to know.  Thanks for the info!  May have to give TITO a try after all.
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: cyenergy on September 12, 2014, 07:18:28 PM
Yea our paper turns totally black in 90 days new type of paper that can"t be redeemed.

Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: LINDAM on September 13, 2014, 06:15:46 AM
If you don't mind living in a very small room with very drab ,boring and hard furniture, and have your toilet 3 ft. from your bad. eating really crappy food, being Bubu's best friend. NOT getting to go to the Casino for a while. Hell........go for it.
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: jay on September 13, 2014, 07:11:52 AM
A printed expiry date and a bit of programming on the back end would be equally.effective as fancy paper.

The problem with that sort of paper is that poor storage could get very costly.

Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: channelmaniac on September 17, 2014, 06:14:32 PM
Why not change the words "cashout ticket" to "play money ticket" or "fantasy ticket"?
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: cyenergy on November 20, 2014, 06:09:47 PM
if the ticket is over 1199 you can use the redemption machine that is accumulated credit.
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: rokgpsman on November 20, 2014, 06:47:43 PM
if the ticket is over 1199 you can use the redemption machine that is accumulated credit.


yes but you'll need to fill out the accompanying IRS form.  :rotfl:
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: rickhunter on November 20, 2014, 07:03:18 PM
I'm pretty sure the only event that triggers a w2g is a slot win over 1199.  You could insert 13 $100 bills into a slot machine and then cash out the ticket, that shouldn't make you fill out a w2g.
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: rokgpsman on November 20, 2014, 07:05:13 PM
I'm pretty sure the only event that triggers a w2g is a slot win over 1199.  You could insert 13 $100 bills into a slot machine and then cash out the ticket, that shouldn't make you fill out a w2g.
yeah, that sound right, I wasn't thinking something thru.
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: 777sizzler on November 20, 2014, 07:06:49 PM
I'm pretty sure the only event that triggers a w2g is a slot win over 1199.  You could insert 13 $100 bills into a slot machine and then cash out the ticket, that shouldn't make you fill out a w2g.
Rick,  You are correct.  I have done it in the past.  Only winnings over 1199 triggers the w-2
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: cyenergy on January 08, 2015, 09:17:36 PM
No ink how is it printed on the ticket ?
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: Sunrise Side on January 08, 2015, 09:53:58 PM
Thermal paper. Paper turns black when heat is applied.
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: cyenergy on January 24, 2015, 03:41:38 PM
Mine prints out money with my face on it.
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: qbert on January 24, 2015, 04:42:54 PM
I'm pretty sure the only event that triggers a w2g is a slot win over 1199.  You could insert 13 $100 bills into a slot machine and then cash out the ticket, that shouldn't make you fill out a w2g.
Rick,  You are correct.  I have done it in the past.  Only winnings over 1199 triggers the w-2
The law in the States is any single win over $1199 triggers a w2 form. You could have many smaller wins in one machine that total $2500 hit the cash out and no w2 required.
I remember many slots in NJ that the top payout would be $1199 so the casino would not have to be bothered with the additional paperwork. But that was years ago.
Rich
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: cyenergy on January 31, 2015, 09:12:59 PM
hookers will take the fake ticket get a freebie
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: WizzardsSon on June 10, 2015, 07:06:11 PM
It simply wont work , Its like trying to cash a lotto ticket that you photo copied ...
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: IFFV68 on June 10, 2015, 07:33:54 PM
Yes, I remember years ago when the Jack-Pots were not as high as they are now, like in the Eighty's & Nineties, the Top Award on a Dollar machine was $1199.
I don't know the limit now. I haven't seen anyone around here in the Mountain Casino's win any Jack-Pots for several years.
That's why I haven't (been up the hill) since January.
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: jay on June 10, 2015, 11:05:26 PM
There technically is no limit. $1200 triggers a W2G so the top award was typically $1199 so they could avoid this.

What would you prefer $1199 or slightly less than $899.... ???

If the award was $1199 you get to keep it.
If its $1200 - The casino is required to hold a min of 25% taxable earnings and will issue a W2G and you will get slightly less than $899.00

On larger wins such as a progressive the government hold rises to 50% but I am unsure of the exact amount.

If I was to win - I am Canadian -  they hold 35%

In Canada we have a healthier philosophy around wins. Since we are betting with after tax money, our winnings are not taxable at all. Same for our lotterys.

Only the Casinos pay taxes on profits.... however part of their gaming license is that 50% of profit goes to charity.
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: LINDAM on June 11, 2015, 04:05:07 AM
In PA they ask if you want taxes taken out. If you play with a card, you can use your Win/Loss statement to offset the taxes.
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: buybestslots on June 11, 2015, 05:07:08 AM
if you get a big hit you can take all gaming  money lost  to off set taxes even lottery tickets, race track ect ,  the old days before players card was much easier  to show lots of  $$$ lost by having change girls write in your book casino use to give you  $100 racks of dollars added up quick  and 1 r 2 $500 racks of $5 tokens helped  get change off one girl  go cash in on other side of casino , remember your tax money is helping those  people  stay home and watch oprah all day imo
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: IFFV68 on June 11, 2015, 02:32:55 PM
If you hit it big in Colorado you can keep all the money and pay taxes on it when you file your taxes in April.
or,
You can have any amount taken out for Taxes.
It's your call
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: buybestslots on June 11, 2015, 03:15:14 PM
it a jackpot in tunica ms they took ms  tax right off top
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: qbert on June 11, 2015, 05:15:09 PM
Same thing in Iowa, they took their cut right off the top but gave you your choice on federal tax.
Title: Re: Home printed tickets from TITO and taken to local casino, PROBLEM?
Post by: CVslots on June 11, 2015, 09:23:20 PM
This is apparently state regulated, as CA doesn't door. Win $10,000, leave casino with $10,000....
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