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I sold a machine to a friend of mine last year here in Utah... TOTALLY LEGAL... She is now moving to NEW YORK... THe machine is a 1994 or 97 IGT S+ (cant remember). Obviously its 20 years max... NEW YORK IS 30 YEARS OR OLDER... WHAT DOES THIS MEAN??? Does it mean I cant sell accross the line of New York if its not 30 years or older, OR SHE CANNOT POSSESS THE MACHINE SHE BOUGHT AT ALL IN NEW YORK????
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The machine isn't legal in NewYork regardless of whether it was legal to own it where you lived when you bought it. She is goverened by the law where she chooses to live.
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So, here is HER dilemma... She HONESTLY has it for her own play... She doesnt let people come and break the law like I am sure some people do at home from time to time... THIS MACHINE, IS ILLEGAL WITH OR WITHOUT COINS??? WHAT IF I CHANGED IT FOR HER TO WHERE IT CANT PAY OUT????
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it's still illegal. If she takes it there then she has to accept the possibility, however small, that she could get caught. I don't know how NewYork handles those things, some states they'll leave you alone if it's just personal fun, but some states are real pricks about it. New Jersey I think really screws people if they catch them
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Bringing a machine across state lines that don't allow slots is the risk.
Jason
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New York law defines the slot machine as follows:
8. "Slot machine" means a gambling device which, as a result of the insertion of a coin or other object, operates, either completely automatically or with the aid of some physical act by the player, in such manner that, depending upon elements of chance, it may eject something of value. A device so constructed, or readily adaptable or convertible to such use, is no less a slot machine because it is not in working order or because some mechanical act of manipulation or repair is required to accomplish its adaptation, conversion or workability. Nor is it any less a slot machine because, apart from its use or adaptability as such, it may also sell or deliver something of value on a basis other than chance. A machine which sells items of merchandise which are of equivalent value, is not a slot machine merely because such items differ from each other in composition, size, shape or color.
Then:
S 225.30 Possession of a gambling device.
a. A person is guilty of possession of a gambling device when, with
knowledge of the character thereof, he or she manufactures, sells,
transports, places or possesses, or conducts or negotiates any
transaction affecting or designed to affect ownership, custody or use
of:
1. A slot machine, unless such possession is permitted pursuant to
article nine-A of the general municipal law
The only defense for regular people is before 1941 or more than 30 years old as long as it doesn't leave the person's home. It is not illegal if it is transported through the state in a sealed container and never leaves the container. Also there's an out clause that says
the slot machine was transported into this state in a sealed container for the purpose of product development, research, or additional manufacture or assembly, and such slot machine will be or has been transported in a sealed container to a jurisdiction outside of this state for purposes which are lawful in such outside jurisdiction.
So yes, it is illegal, but so is running a red light or a stop sign. Like everything else you take your chances, and like it has been said here, depends on how strict the enforcement of the law is. Obviously the spirit of the law is to stop illegal gambling halls and such, but in certain states, they enforce to the letter of the law.
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New York law defines the slot machine as follows:
8. "Slot machine" means a gambling device which, as a result of the insertion of a coin or other object, operates, either completely automatically or with the aid of some physical act by the player, in such manner that, depending upon elements of chance, it may eject something of value. A device so constructed, or readily adaptable or convertible to such use, is no less a slot machine because it is not in working order or because some mechanical act of manipulation or repair is required to accomplish its adaptation, conversion or workability. Nor is it any less a slot machine because, apart from its use or adaptability as such, it may also sell or deliver something of value on a basis other than chance. A machine which sells items of merchandise which are of equivalent value, is not a slot machine merely because such items differ from each other in composition, size, shape or color.
Then:
S 225.30 Possession of a gambling device.
a. A person is guilty of possession of a gambling device when, with
knowledge of the character thereof, he or she manufactures, sells,
transports, places or possesses, or conducts or negotiates any
transaction affecting or designed to affect ownership, custody or use
of:
1. A slot machine, unless such possession is permitted pursuant to
article nine-A of the general municipal law
The only defense for regular people is before 1941 or more than 30 years old as long as it doesn't leave the person's home. It is not illegal if it is transported through the state in a sealed container and never leaves the container. Also there's an out clause that says
the slot machine was transported into this state in a sealed container for the purpose of product development, research, or additional manufacture or assembly, and such slot machine will be or has been transported in a sealed container to a jurisdiction outside of this state for purposes which are lawful in such outside jurisdiction.
So yes, it is illegal, but so is running a red light or a stop sign. Like everything else you take your chances, and like it has been said here, depends on how strict the enforcement of the law is. Obviously the spirit of the law is to stop illegal gambling halls and such, but in certain states, they enforce to the letter of the law.
THIS REALLY HELPED HER ON WHAT SHE DECIDED... THANK YOU....
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I live in MD and I don't know how strict they enforce it here. We can only legally own 25+ year old machines.
Here is a funny story. I sold a machine to a coworker. (I only have room for 3 and I bought a new one to replace an existing one, so one had to go). Her husband is a MD state trooper. When I brought the machine to their house, I wanted to make sure he was ok with it. When I asked him if he had any issues with having a slot machine, he wasn't even aware that you couldn't own one for personal use. He was ok with it after he found out, he just wanted me to pull into his garage to take it out.
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don't sweat it look on craigs list and see how many are for sale in ny .you can't stop where it goes once it leaves your hands, nj has a 1941 law ,doj means nothing to nj
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the remaining NJ Casinos can't afford to lose a nickel of revenue.... of course they want to prevent personal ownership.
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There are a LOT of igt s-plus and s2000 for sale all over craigslist in the nyc area.
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Here is the real scoop, I live in NJ and have had machines shipped to me from guys on NLG without any problems and I'll tell you why...
NY: The law is often overlooked for personal home use, however if you are running a half dozen machines and have a lot of foot traffic expect to be visited by Law Enforcement if the word gets around to the wrong people. In general (home use, 2 or 3 machines) you will be fine.
New Jersey: I had a long talk with the NJ control commission last year about this and had someone from the enforcement division and New Jersey State Police come to my home, a nice lady and guy early in the AM after someone told the local PD I had machines in my house.
These were not antique machines but 80's reel machines and a Game Maker I got from over the border....., I showed them they used tokens (which say NO CASH VALUE) and my DOJ registration letter, they asked if they were for my own use and I said yes and showed that the bill acceptors were pulled with knock out plates over the openings. They were satisfied that I wasn't running a "illegal casino" and joked about how much money I save not loosing in the casinos (hey some cops have humor :) )
They played a few spins/checked out the games, made notes, etc. and told me to forget the visit took place and they were required to follow up on the call, they also told me to NEVER allow anyone to gamble on the machines *DUH!*.
So for all the NLG dealers who say "can't ship to NJ" that's Bull S**t! Make sure they have no bill acceptor and take tokens only (include a token in the coin comp. when shipping) and all is legal. You can also ship without hoppers if it makes the dealers feel better. This came from a dectective from the enforcement division and NJSP Trooper.
I mention NJ since many New Yorkers but them in NJ/PA off craigslist and ebay.
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don't sweat it look on craigs list and see how many are for sale in ny .you can't stop where it goes once it leaves your hands, nj has a 1941 law ,doj means nothing to nj
NJ has never arrested anyone for having a machine used for private use within a home environment.
Shipping a machine into NJ isn't illegal, the person signing the BOL (bill of landing) assumes all (and very little) risk.
Per the discussion and visit I have had with NJSP (Trooper worked vice/organized crime) and a detective from the control commission as long as it's token in token out it's OKAY. If it has a bill acceptor it's a big no-no...if you allow others to play it with the intent on profiting you can be charged for running a criminal enterprise.
In short, remove hopper and coin comp (AND bill acceptor) before shipping to NJ and all is fine. The new owner must decide which side of the law to follow.
In short home use with tokens is fine BUT SELLING MACHINES IN NJ without a valid license from the State is a BIG BIG no-no.
And the DOJ helped prove I was using them for home use, I was actually told I did the right thing by letting them know I have them for home use (honesty) and not hidden away in some corner-street crack house.
Too many dealers are unaware of this and are paranoid of NJSP/NJCCC...
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Here is the real scoop, I live in NJ and have had machines shipped to me from guys on NLG without any problems and I'll tell you why...
NY: The law is often overlooked for personal home use, however if you are running a half dozen machines and have a lot of foot traffic expect to be visited by Law Enforcement if the word gets around to the wrong people. In general (home use, 2 or 3 machines) you will be fine.
New Jersey: I had a long talk with the NJ control commission last year about this and had someone from the enforcement division and New Jersey State Police come to my home, a nice lady and guy early in the AM after someone told the local PD I had machines in my house.
These were not antique machines but 80's reel machines and a Game Maker I got from over the border....., I showed them they used tokens (which say NO CASH VALUE) and my DOJ registration letter, they asked if they were for my own use and I said yes and showed that the bill acceptors were pulled with knock out plates over the openings. They were satisfied that I wasn't running a "illegal casino" and joked about how much money I save not loosing in the casinos (hey some cops have humor :) )
They played a few spins/checked out the games, made notes, etc. and told me to forget the visit took place and they were required to follow up on the call, they also told me to NEVER allow anyone to gamble on the machines *DUH!*.
So for all the NLG dealers who say "can't ship to NJ" that's Bull S**t! Make sure they have no bill acceptor and take tokens only (include a token in the coin comp. when shipping) and all is legal. You can also ship without hoppers if it makes the dealers feel better. This came from a detective from the enforcement division and NJSP Trooper.
I mention NJ since many New York'rs but them in NJ/PA off craigslist and ebay.
Thank you for that great information and will keep in mind in the future........ I wasn't the one worried, because it was someone who bought from me here in Utah and lived here... But, she was moving back to Syracuse with her family, and he hubby was ADAMANT of not taking any risk.... So, I got the machine back... FOR FREE, which I donated to a local charity after I changed it over to accepting bills but no payout.... Credits only... That way, its just an arcade machine making money....
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Here is the real scoop, I live in NJ and have had machines shipped to me from guys on NLG without any problems and I'll tell you why...
NY: The law is often overlooked for personal home use, however if you are running a half dozen machines and have a lot of foot traffic expect to be visited by Law Enforcement if the word gets around to the wrong people. In general (home use, 2 or 3 machines) you will be fine.
New Jersey: I had a long talk with the NJ control commission last year about this and had someone from the enforcement division and New Jersey State Police come to my home, a nice lady and guy early in the AM after someone told the local PD I had machines in my house.
These were not antique machines but 80's reel machines and a Game Maker I got from over the border....., I showed them they used tokens (which say NO CASH VALUE) and my DOJ registration letter, they asked if they were for my own use and I said yes and showed that the bill acceptors were pulled with knock out plates over the openings. They were satisfied that I wasn't running a "illegal casino" and joked about how much money I save not loosing in the casinos (hey some cops have humor :) )
They played a few spins/checked out the games, made notes, etc. and told me to forget the visit took place and they were required to follow up on the call, they also told me to NEVER allow anyone to gamble on the machines *DUH!*.
So for all the NLG dealers who say "can't ship to NJ" that's Bull S**t! Make sure they have no bill acceptor and take tokens only (include a token in the coin comp. when shipping) and all is legal. You can also ship without hoppers if it makes the dealers feel better. This came from a detective from the enforcement division and NJSP Trooper.
I mention NJ since many New York'rs but them in NJ/PA off craigslist and ebay.
Thank you for that great information and will keep in mind in the future........ I wasn't the one worried, because it was someone who bought from me here in Utah and lived here... But, she was moving back to Syracuse with her family, and he hubby was ADAMANT of not taking any risk.... So, I got the machine back... FOR FREE, which I donated to a local charity after I changed it over to accepting bills but no payout.... Credits only... That way, its just an arcade machine making money....
In Wildwood NJ we have machines setup to take real money and dispense tickets to redeem for toys and prizes (in kids arcades).
One guy has around 20 slant top IGT machines (old S+ machines) in his arcade, makes a killing off them and stays within the law...now if they dispensed coins to be redeemed for cash that would be 7-10 years in Trenton lol
One of the reasons for the NY/NJ restrictions was due to illegal gambling in the 70's (pre Atlantic City) when you had guys like Patrick DeFilippo running gaming rooms (social clubs..) with slots all over NJ and NY. This gave the authorities powers to prosecute them and gave private slot owners a bad reputation. It's a Jersey/New York thing with all that has gone on past and present with illegal gambling but those laws hurt us legitimate game room owners.
I'll admit when the freight trucks would come I would move the pallet like my rear end was on fire into the garage so neighbors wouldn't see it and get the wrong impression.
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In Japan they have pashilo & pachinko parlors. They redeem in prizes.
Next door they have prize redemption centers. These are people who just want to buy giant stuffed toys for pennies on the dollar.
Legally they are not allowed to be related to the parlor but you can bet your last yen they are connected somehow.
So the company basically makes on the house percentage, gives prizes at pennies on the dollar and then buys them back for even less.
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I have heard the same thigpng happening in Texas and p, I think, Arkansas?
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I have heard the same thigpng happening in Texas and p, I think, Arkansas?
It's a loophole but it's a win-win.
NJ has NEVER EVER licensed a small gaming room, gas station, airports, etc. like you see in Nevada. That would help generate additional revenue for the State but nobody wants to introduce such a bill.
With the casinos closing left and right less and less are going to Atlantic City to gamble so now would be the time to do it.
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Here is the real scoop, I live in NJ and have had machines shipped to me from guys on NLG without any problems and I'll tell you why...
NY: The law is often overlooked for personal home use, however if you are running a half dozen machines and have a lot of foot traffic expect to be visited by Law Enforcement if the word gets around to the wrong people. In general (home use, 2 or 3 machines) you will be fine.
New Jersey: I had a long talk with the NJ control commission last year about this and had someone from the enforcement division and New Jersey State Police come to my home, a nice lady and guy early in the AM after someone told the local PD I had machines in my house.
These were not antique machines but 80's reel machines and a Game Maker I got from over the border....., I showed them they used tokens (which say NO CASH VALUE) and my DOJ registration letter, they asked if they were for my own use and I said yes and showed that the bill acceptors were pulled with knock out plates over the openings. They were satisfied that I wasn't running a "illegal casino" and joked about how much money I save not loosing in the casinos (hey some cops have humor :) )
They played a few spins/checked out the games, made notes, etc. and told me to forget the visit took place and they were required to follow up on the call, they also told me to NEVER allow anyone to gamble on the machines *DUH!*.
So for all the NLG dealers who say "can't ship to NJ" that's Bull S**t! Make sure they have no bill acceptor and take tokens only (include a token in the coin comp. when shipping) and all is legal. You can also ship without hoppers if it makes the dealers feel better. This came from a detective from the enforcement division and NJSP Trooper.
I mention NJ since many New York'rs but them in NJ/PA off craigslist and ebay.
Thank you for that great information and will keep in mind in the future........ I wasn't the one worried, because it was someone who bought from me here in Utah and lived here... But, she was moving back to Syracuse with her family, and he hubby was ADAMANT of not taking any risk.... So, I got the machine back... FOR FREE, which I donated to a local charity after I changed it over to accepting bills but no payout.... Credits only... That way, its just an arcade machine making money....
In Wildwood NJ we have machines setup to take real money and dispense tickets to redeem for toys and prizes (in kids arcades).
One guy has around 20 slant top IGT machines (old S+ machines) in his arcade, makes a killing off them and stays within the law...now if they dispensed coins to be redeemed for cash that would be 7-10 years in Trenton lol
One of the reasons for the NY/NJ restrictions was due to illegal gambling in the 70's (pre Atlantic City) when you had guys like Patrick DeFilippo running gaming rooms (social clubs..) with slots all over NJ and NY. This gave the authorities powers to prosecute them and gave private slot owners a bad reputation. It's a Jersey/New York thing with all that has gone on past and present with illegal gambling but those laws hurt us legitimate game room owners.
I'll admit when the freight trucks would come I would move the pallet like my rear end was on fire into the garage so neighbors wouldn't see it and get the wrong impression.
AND NY CANT OWN ANYTHING ANYMORE (OR HAVE THE RIGHT TO)... NO SUPER SIZING, NO GUNS, CURFEW, I FEEL BAD FOR THE STATE OF NEW YORK... They WERE THE VICTIM OF TERRORISM (thats the story we are told according to the commission, and I don't want to share what I believe at this time), AND NOW PEOPLE OF NEW YORK LOSE MORE RIGHTS? ??? SAME WITH CHICAGO!!!! TAKE AWAY THE GUNS FROM THE LAW ABIDING ONES, AND IT HAS DONE NOTHING TO STOP THE GANGS FROM SHOOTING ONE ANOTHER AND HITTING INNOCENTS MORE OFTEN THAN THEIR TARGET!!! Shit, I am getting fired up... Need to stop...
And, here I AM IN UTAH, BEHIND THE ZION WALL, (where drinking is HUGE here, despite what you hear), and we have NO RESTRICTIONS ON HOME AMUSEMENT OF ANY GAMBLING SLOT MACHINE.... Of course GAMBLING IS ILLEGAL, n in NO WAY WOULD I CONDONE THAT without being legit, but hello, STATES THAN BAN SLOTS OUTRIGHT, LIKE HAWAII and the others, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? ??? GIVELAW ABIDING CITIZENS BE LAW ABIDING CHOICE TO HAVE THE MACHINES IN THEIR HOME... PROSECUTE THOSE WHO ARE BREAKING THE LAW, IF YOU NEED TO, BUT LET NEW YORK SLOT HOME OWNERS OWN THEIR MACHINES WITH PRIDE!!!!
(not sure why I went on this spiel, but I did... Not sure WTH I just wrote, but I am gonna send it, being it was from the heart (at least when I was getting a bit fired up and passionate, as I wrote), and then read what I wrote... Hope it didnt come off too silly or offensive..... (I love NY too, SCARSDALE NY especially. Grew up there in the summers staying at my Grandparent's home for a decade+.... Many fond memories)
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In Japan they have pashilo & pachinko parlors. They redeem in prizes.
Next door they have prize redemption centers. These are people who just want to buy giant stuffed toys for pennies on the dollar.
Legally they are not allowed to be related to the parlor but you can bet your last yen they are connected somehow.
So the company basically makes on the house percentage, gives prizes at pennies on the dollar and then buys them back for even less.
Funny you say that.. I WATCHED THIS VIDEO JUST YESTERDAY OF THE CRAZIEST ARCADE PUSH IT GAME I HAVE EVER SEEN... WAIT TIL YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THESE YOUNG BRITISH VISITORS, PLAYING IN JUST ONE OF THE ARCADES YOU DESCRIBED: (THIS HAS TO BE WORTH SOME MONEY IN PRIZES BIG TIME)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0OnmhhFk9g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0OnmhhFk9g)
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don't sweat it look on craigs list and see how many are for sale in ny .you can't stop where it goes once it leaves your hands, nj has a 1941 law ,doj means nothing to nj
NJ has never arrested anyone for having a machine used for private use within a home environment.
Shipping a machine into NJ isn't illegal, the person signing the BOL (bill of landing) assumes all (and very little) risk.
Per the discussion and visit I have had with NJSP (Trooper worked vice/organized crime) and a detective from the control commission as long as it's token in token out it's OKAY. If it has a bill acceptor it's a big no-no...if you allow others to play it with the intent on profiting you can be charged for running a criminal enterprise.
In short, remove hopper and coin comp (AND bill acceptor) before shipping to NJ and all is fine. The new owner must decide which side of the law to follow.
In short home use with tokens is fine BUT SELLING MACHINES IN NJ without a valid license from the State is a BIG BIG no-no.
And the DOJ helped prove I was using them for home use, I was actually told I did the right thing by letting them know I have them for home use (honesty) and not hidden away in some corner-street crack house.
Too many dealers are unaware of this and are paranoid of NJSP/NJCCC...
this guy know's nothing state of nj and njccc both raided my house and took slots one time everything they took was pre 1941, your doj will only make you right with the doj not the state of nj or njcc , the games in arcade on boardwalks are ok because they payout more than they take in by nj law you put in 25 cents and get out token worth 2 cents to trade for toys and other crap, those slot are changed to payout more than they take in but it cost you $20 bucks to get a $2 toy , we spent 10,s of thousands fighting the state in court , owning and shipping to nj can cost you a lot I know, if you could have a igt in your home in nj those closed up casino,s would sell to public
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A deck of cards is a gambling device, correct? So why is it we can have cards without restriction and slot machines are taboo? So if you are having a poker party and people go home broke or with a pocket full of cash , is that any different the a slot machine in a home? If you have foot traffic for gambling it could be with cards, correct? I better watch out they will be outlawing cards next!
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I agree same goes for dice , with nj it's all about money fines and wrecking peoples life's .There are a few other states as bad but I can only tell you about nj and us ,my slot machines raids cost me a abc permit that was worth 400,000 , not worth the risk that's why we are now in va
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I agree same goes for dice , with nj it's all about money fines and wrecking peoples life's .There are a few other states as bad but I can only tell you about nj and us ,my slot machines raids cost me a abc permit that was worth 400,000 , not worth the risk that's why we are now in va
I remember you telling me on the old NLG forum the machines (Bally machines) were trucked in from Ohio (I think) and you were selling them, is that correct?
I'm sorry it happened to you and I have a lot of hate for this State, too. Our construction company was seized in the 80's...NJSP sent close to 200 Troopers, Detectives, and TEAMS (swat) members to the company offices and our homes over claims that we bribed officials to obtain jobs which could never be proven. They (NJSP, NJAG) forced us to sign over the company and all personal property in a backdoor deal to avoid jail time, the State will tell you it was seized when the deed actually had the Colonel of NJSP relatives name on it....
Lost over $60 Million dollars to the State of NJ, they took everything and sold everything. Oh they sent us the auction catalog to rub it in our face afterwards with the word "eat sh&t" written on it...
This State is corrupt and one-sided, I can see why you moved and I'm not far behind.
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we never were caught selling only had machines in our home and garage , only good thing was we won 1 case and got all pre 1941 games back and sold for 3 x as much as we were before they took them 3 years later , I hope no one ever has their homes raided, it was a horror story
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we never were caught selling only had machines in our home and garage , only good thing was we won 1 case and got all pre 1941 games back and sold for 3 x as much as we were before they took them 3 years later , I hope no one ever has their homes raided, it was a horror story
So the charge was for possession without intent to distribute?
I wouldn't wish a raid on anyone, being held at gunpoint by the people that are supposed to protect you is not fun...being forced to lay face down in a garage for 9 hours while our house was ripped apart (smashed sheet rock and ripped moldings off) is living hell.
We have been fighting with the State since 1989 for return of property and money, I've even been told to not push the issue for various (non-legal) reasons but hell I'll determined to get back what is mine.
I'm curious how they found out about the machines? I know it's something yo would rather not think about but it might save others in NJ from making the same mistake.
Again I'm sorry you had to experience such hell when they could have gone after real criminals not us game room and coin-op collectors.
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no just possession of gambling device was charge from njcc they were the worst only took a jenning 400 we had in shop that had no boards in it , had a so called expert in court to saying missing part were to sale in radio shack case was heard in Trenton lasted 6 weeks after week 2 they dropped charges for my wife , p/s we only went to court every thur afternoon in front of a judge that feel asleep many times , one day we came in and he said he heard all he was going to hear and threw out case , that kept the slot
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no just possession of gambling device was charge from njcc they were the worst only took a jenning 400 we had in shop that had no boards in it , had a so called expert in court to saying missing part were to sale in radio shack case was heard in Trenton lasted 6 weeks after week 2 they dropped charges for my wife , p/s we only went to court every thur afternoon in front of a judge that feel asleep many times , one day we came in and he said he heard all he was going to hear and threw out case , that kept the slot
You are a lucky man to have had the case thrown out, I know loosing the machines was a big loss and with inflation that was big money in those days but at least you managed to escape NJ and start over again.
Radio shack? ROLMFAO!!! Must have been the social club sponsored Radio shack to sell complete boards. NO WAY you could find all parts at a Radio shack to build a complete working board. That "expert" is a disgrace to the industry.
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expert was one of njcc guys , taxes are much more fair in va and they don,t care what you do on your land
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So to sum it up, if you want a machine in NJ and feel comfortable with the risks associated by all means go for it and get one.
Plenty of guys will ship them here, NJ has no legal reach if the shipper is OUTSIDE OF NJ so the seller/shipper is safe.
It's the BUYER of the machines that assumes all risk.
Correct?
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So to sum it up, if you want a machine in NJ and feel comfortable with the risks associated by all means go for it and get one.
Plenty of guys will ship them here, NJ has no legal reach if the shipper is OUTSIDE OF NJ so the seller/shipper is safe.
It's the BUYER of the machines that assumes all risk.
Correct?
Edit: Unless the seller is actually working uncover for NJSP/NJCCC and is looking to bust you...how else would they find out besides loose lips?
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Yea they are way to busy with other things going on have not heard of anyone in trouble for slot ownership anywhere but i will ask my friend he is big shot at NGCB.
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Also if you were to hold a lottery in Nevada or sell scratch tickets it's a misdemeanor any ways .
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I think a vendor (will not mention his name) had a circuit that allowed you to hit the service button and add credits, when you cashed out, you just heard coin drop sounds. No BV, no hopper, no coin head. He claimed that this would allow you to own a real Vegas slot in all states Except Louisiana ?
It's the no money in or out and no coin or bill handling that he claims makes it legal. Again, I don't know. I had a few visits from the state police, they even saw the machine, and said not a thing, like it didn't even exist. I personally don't like coin handling anymore and don't see the need. All casinos are cashless and do tickets and bills only now anyway.
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In most states its the age of the machine which counts. The law makes no mention of money, coin or bill handling.
Whether the laws regarding slots is enforced is up to the discretion of law enforcement. If your slot has no coin or bill handling, it's probably more likely they'll turn a blind eye towards it. That's assuming it's used for personal entertainment only and there have been no complaints. Of course if the police come on other business, like busting your crack house, they'll probably take your slots.