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Re: LEGALITY OF SLOTS QUESTION
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2015, 06:44:34 AM »
don't sweat it look on craigs list and see how many are for sale in ny .you can't stop where it goes once it leaves your hands, nj has a 1941 law ,doj means nothing to nj

NJ has never arrested anyone for having a machine used for private use within a home environment.

Shipping a machine into NJ isn't illegal, the person signing the BOL (bill of landing) assumes all (and very little) risk.

Per the discussion and visit I have had with NJSP (Trooper worked vice/organized crime) and a detective from the control commission as long as it's token in token out it's OKAY. If it has a bill acceptor it's a big no-no...if you allow others to play it with the intent on profiting you can be charged for running a criminal enterprise.

In short, remove hopper and coin comp (AND bill acceptor) before shipping to NJ and all is fine. The new owner must decide which side of the law to follow.

In short home use with tokens is fine BUT SELLING MACHINES IN NJ without a valid license from the State is a BIG BIG no-no.

And the DOJ helped prove I was using them for home use, I was actually told I did the right thing by letting them know I have them for home use (honesty) and not hidden away in some corner-street crack house.

Too many dealers are unaware of this and are paranoid of NJSP/NJCCC...
this guy know's  nothing state of nj and njccc both raided my house and took slots one time everything they took was pre 1941,  your doj will only make you right with the doj not the state of nj  or njcc  , the games in arcade on boardwalks are ok because they payout more than they take in  by nj law  you put in 25 cents and get out token worth 2 cents  to trade for toys and other crap, those slot are changed to payout more than they take in  but it cost you $20 bucks to get a $2 toy  , we spent 10,s of thousands fighting the state in court  , owning and shipping to nj can cost you a lot  I know, if you could have a igt in your home in  nj those closed up casino,s would sell to public

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Re: LEGALITY OF SLOTS QUESTION
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2015, 07:06:32 AM »
A deck of cards is a gambling device, correct? So why is it we can have cards without restriction and slot machines are taboo?  So if you are having a poker party and people go home broke or with a pocket full of cash , is that any different the a slot machine in a home? If you have foot traffic for gambling it could be with cards, correct? I better watch out they will be outlawing cards next!

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Re: LEGALITY OF SLOTS QUESTION
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2015, 07:15:51 AM »
I agree  same goes  for dice , with  nj  it's all about money fines and wrecking peoples life's .There are a few other states as bad  but I can only tell you about  nj and  us ,my slot machines raids cost me a abc permit  that was worth 400,000 , not worth the risk  that's  why we are now in va

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Re: LEGALITY OF SLOTS QUESTION
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2015, 10:37:48 AM »
I agree  same goes  for dice , with  nj  it's all about money fines and wrecking peoples life's .There are a few other states as bad  but I can only tell you about  nj and  us ,my slot machines raids cost me a abc permit  that was worth 400,000 , not worth the risk  that's  why we are now in va

I remember you telling me on the old NLG forum the machines (Bally machines) were trucked in from Ohio (I think) and you were selling them, is that correct?

I'm sorry it happened to you and I have a lot of hate for this State, too. Our construction company was seized in the 80's...NJSP sent close to 200 Troopers, Detectives, and TEAMS (swat) members to the company offices and our homes over claims that we bribed officials to obtain jobs which could never be proven. They (NJSP, NJAG) forced us to sign over the company and all personal property in a backdoor deal to avoid jail time, the State will tell you it was seized when the deed actually had the Colonel of NJSP relatives name on it....

Lost over $60 Million dollars to the State of NJ, they took everything and sold everything. Oh they sent us the auction catalog to rub it in our face afterwards with the word "eat sh&t" written on it...

This State is corrupt and one-sided, I can see why you moved and I'm not far behind.

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Re: LEGALITY OF SLOTS QUESTION
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2015, 11:19:41 AM »
we never were caught selling only had  machines  in  our home  and garage , only  good thing was we  won 1 case and got all pre 1941 games back and sold  for 3 x as much as we were before they took them 3 years later , I hope no one ever has their homes raided, it was a horror story

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Re: LEGALITY OF SLOTS QUESTION
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2015, 12:03:29 PM »
we never were caught selling only had  machines  in  our home  and garage , only  good thing was we  won 1 case and got all pre 1941 games back and sold  for 3 x as much as we were before they took them 3 years later , I hope no one ever has their homes raided, it was a horror story

So the charge was for possession without intent to distribute?

I wouldn't wish a raid on anyone, being held at gunpoint by the people that are supposed to protect you is not fun...being forced to lay face down in a garage for 9 hours while our house was ripped apart (smashed sheet rock and ripped moldings off) is living hell.

We have been fighting with the State since 1989 for return of property and money, I've even been told to not push the issue for various (non-legal) reasons but hell I'll determined to get back what is mine.

I'm curious how they found out about the machines? I know it's something yo would rather not think about but it might save others in NJ from making the same mistake.

Again I'm sorry you had to experience such hell when they could have gone after real criminals not us game room and coin-op collectors.





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Re: LEGALITY OF SLOTS QUESTION
« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2015, 12:15:39 PM »
no just possession  of  gambling device   was charge from njcc they were the worst   only took a jenning 400 we had in shop that had  no boards in it , had a so called expert in court to saying missing part were  to sale in radio shack case was heard in Trenton  lasted 6 weeks after week 2 they dropped charges  for my wife  , p/s we only went to court every thur afternoon  in front of a judge that feel asleep  many times , one day we came in and he said he heard all he was going to hear and threw out case , that kept the slot

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Re: LEGALITY OF SLOTS QUESTION
« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2015, 12:26:24 PM »
no just possession  of  gambling device   was charge from njcc they were the worst   only took a jenning 400 we had in shop that had  no boards in it , had a so called expert in court to saying missing part were  to sale in radio shack case was heard in Trenton  lasted 6 weeks after week 2 they dropped charges  for my wife  , p/s we only went to court every thur afternoon  in front of a judge that feel asleep  many times , one day we came in and he said he heard all he was going to hear and threw out case , that kept the slot

You are a lucky man to have had the case thrown out, I know loosing the machines was a big loss and with inflation that was big money in those days but at least you managed to escape NJ and start over again.

Radio shack? ROLMFAO!!! Must have been the social club sponsored Radio shack to sell complete boards. NO WAY you could find all parts at a Radio shack to build a complete working board. That "expert" is a disgrace to the industry.

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Re: LEGALITY OF SLOTS QUESTION
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2015, 01:06:08 PM »
expert was one of njcc guys ,  taxes are much more fair in va  and they don,t care  what you do on your land

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Re: LEGALITY OF SLOTS QUESTION
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2015, 01:33:47 PM »
So to sum it up, if you want a machine in NJ and feel comfortable with the risks associated by all means go for it and get one.

Plenty of guys will ship them here, NJ has no legal reach if the shipper is OUTSIDE OF NJ so the seller/shipper is safe.

It's the BUYER of the machines that assumes all risk.

Correct?

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Re: LEGALITY OF SLOTS QUESTION
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2015, 01:35:58 PM »
So to sum it up, if you want a machine in NJ and feel comfortable with the risks associated by all means go for it and get one.

Plenty of guys will ship them here, NJ has no legal reach if the shipper is OUTSIDE OF NJ so the seller/shipper is safe.

It's the BUYER of the machines that assumes all risk.

Correct?

Edit: Unless the seller is actually working uncover for NJSP/NJCCC and is looking to bust you...how else would they find out besides loose lips?

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Re: LEGALITY OF SLOTS QUESTION
« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2015, 08:10:50 PM »
Yea they are way to busy with other things going on have not heard of anyone in trouble for slot ownership anywhere but i will ask my friend he is big shot at NGCB.
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Re: LEGALITY OF SLOTS QUESTION
« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2015, 08:13:14 PM »
Also if you were to hold a lottery in Nevada or sell scratch tickets it's a misdemeanor any ways .
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