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Re: Two Jacks Wild
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2015, 02:21:24 PM »
Where the heck is the battery on this thing? This machine is very clean and look brand new so it has been well taken care of. But can not find the battery where I think it should be. Thanks

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Re: Two Jacks Wild
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2015, 02:41:04 PM »
Found this, can you read what is on your board for part circled below, does it say lithium battery?

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Re: Two Jacks Wild
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2015, 02:45:04 PM »
See if these help. Don't know where else to look. As always Thanks
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Re: Two Jacks Wild
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2015, 02:54:14 PM »
W1013Y is all I can see on that one. But a battery that has pins like a chip? Give me the old American made video poker machines to work on. these German game makers I am not sure about?
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Re: Two Jacks Wild
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2015, 03:00:14 PM »
W1013Y is all I can see on that one. But a battery that has pins like a chip? Give me the old American made video poker machines to work on. these German game makers I am not sure about?
It doesn't look like it's in a socket to me but the photo isn't clear and it is shot from head-on. It might be a combined battery & ram memory in one package and that's why it is in a socket. You'll have to read the part number on it to know what it is. If that's not it then I don't know where it is. You've looked in other places in the machine like backplane, motherboard, wherever for a battery? The battery is usually found on the cpu/mpu board since that is where the battery backed-up ram is located, wouldn't make sense to mpu/cpu remove the board from machine and disconnect a remotely located battery, lose data. [unless the remote battery was connected by wires to the cpu board]

Here is your photo brightened and with my guessing notes. I have never seen an Airtronci machine but this board looks like a cpu board to me since it has the 2 game software chips and there has been security tape across them at one time like casinos do. It is difficult to read or make out detail in the photos. Are you saying the black rectangular part I circled in my photo above has several legs and is inserted into a socket? (the part I'm referring to is below the 2 eprom software sockets). Can you read the word "lithium" on the back of the black rectangular part on your board? You may need to rub off the security tape VOID stuff with a cloth so you can read the writing on the part.

[I brightened your photos so we could more detail]
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Re: Two Jacks Wild
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2015, 03:33:33 PM »
yes it is in a socket just like eprom but after looking as close as I can says it contains a lithium cell. . OK this is what it says   H990R0313    MA8Z35Y70PC1   zeropower ram    contains lithum cell   malysia........
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Re: Two Jacks Wild
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2015, 03:39:40 PM »
See if you can read better with this photo....Thank  :thank_you: you very much
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Re: Two Jacks Wild
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2015, 03:43:14 PM »
As a added note this error happened while the game was in play. Also in looking up the company I found the software to work on this machine but it runs in dos. and requires a serial port but it is all in German.
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Re: Two Jacks Wild
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2015, 03:55:37 PM »
yes it is in a socket just like eprom but after looking as close as I can says it contains a lithium cell. . OK this is what it says   H990R0313    MA8Z35Y70PC1   zeropower ram    contains lithum cell   malysia........

Yes, that part I'm referring to is a combined ram memory and lithium battery package.  It is in a socket for convenient replacement. Here's a picture of a new one and the spec sheet info. If you decide to replace it the part number is the "M48Z35Y-70PC1" number. (you typed "MA8..." but I think you meant "M48...")

I think the 70 refers to 70nsec speed but I haven't read the entire spec sheet yet. There should be a way to measure the battery voltage, maybe on some board test points or maybe on the back of the socket on the correct leads of this part.

I'm not sure your battery is bad, it is just something that is recommended to check when a person gets a machine that's new to them, especially if it is giving an error. Usually it is easier to find & check the dang battery than this. In case you need another one of these cpu boards (or other Airtronic boards) I saw that some of these boards had sold on ebay, one for a surprising small cost.
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Re: Two Jacks Wild
« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2015, 04:24:17 PM »
W1013Y is all I can see on that one. But a battery that has pins like a chip? Give me the old American made video poker machines to work on. these German game makers I am not sure about?
I think the date code on the part is as shown. Since your ram battery part says "W1013Y" that could mean it was made in 2010, 13th batch. That is just a guess, different companies use different coding methods. The other date codes on your board's chips indicate a date of 2003 or so. *** EDIT - THIS PARAGRAPH IS WRONG, SEE REPLY #31 ***

The spec sheet says the part should last for 10 years, so yours may be still ok. When I read the spec sheet I didn't see a way to check the battery inside this part. On your board there is a green dot QC sticker but I can't read the date, it might give an idea of the board's age.

Anyway, I think you may be back to doing as suggested by cvslots with the CLEAR procedure to see if that takes care of the error. Might want to try that first and you likely need the Clear and Configure chips anyway. If you locate one of these battery ram parts easily then you can replace it and eliminate it as what caused the problem. But if you do replace it don't be surprised if you still need to clear & configure the machine since the new part will not contain any data or machine settings.
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Re: Two Jacks Wild
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2015, 04:43:46 PM »
See if you can read better with this photo....Thank  :thank_you: you very much

still pretty dark, I lightened it but still not much visibility. Your camera flash is missing the target but I think we know what the part is from the other posts and what you told us is written on the part. If you need to take other photos might try using a lamp or other light to help light the target.
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Re: Two Jacks Wild
« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2015, 05:36:00 PM »
I did some more checking, I was wrong about the date code on that battery-ram part back in reply #29. That number I thought was the date code is actually the Part Tracing code, the date code is part of that long string of 9 characters on the first line of writing. On your part (see below) it is hard to read in the photo but it looks like it says "0313", which means 2003, batch 13. This makes more sense to me since the other chips on your board also have date codes around 2003. The date code is contained in the last 4 numbers of the top line, in year/batch form. If this is right it means your battery on the board is about 11 to 12 years old. So it is something to consider replacing. And all this is in agreement with the date of manufacture of the machine as listed on the idplate, "11-03".

If you look for one of these parts it is actually called a Non-Volatile Static Ram, or NVSRAM, part number M48Z35Y-70. I saw some on ebay but they looked like older parts. Places like Mouser or Jameco might have them. Supposedly if they are new old-stock (old but never used) then the battery is supposed to still be good, but who knows about that.

Get whatever parts are needed to do the clear & configure procedure and replace this NVSRAM part, hopefully that will get it back to working.
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Re: Two Jacks Wild
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2015, 05:44:22 AM »
I am so pleased with all the answers I have gotten on this issue. I have worked on machines for almost 30 years and it never fails to amaze me how little I still know. I will start looking for this part as have already got a lead on the clear and config chips. And have a new game board on the way. I will continue to update as to what I find and how I approach each issue and to all  :thank_you: The one item that still troubles me is the fact that this all started while the game was in play? 
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Re: Two Jacks Wild
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2015, 07:25:11 AM »
I did find 2 NVSRAM got a new one for $6 and Mouser was $14. So will have an extra just in  :applause: case.
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Re: Two Jacks Wild
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2015, 02:32:08 PM »
Okay problem solved. The power supply had a short to the switch. Replaced supply used a master reset card. Reinstalled the game cards done.All took about 15mins.
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Re: Two Jacks Wild
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2015, 05:03:27 PM »
That's Good News!   :cool_thumb_up:

Not sure I followed the meaning of the last post, did it turn out that the power supply switch was the only problem??

Also, how about a picture of the machine running during a game, I've never seen this machine before.

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Re: Two Jacks Wild
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2015, 05:55:58 PM »
The connector in the power supply that goes to the on/off switch. Had a short inside,so that if the cable moved at all it cut power to the game for a second or two. If the game is in play and you cut power it can cause a fault in the mpu board. and give you a config error(or act like the wrong eproms are installed). So I put in a new power supply. Will add photo's as I changed the game from Two Jacks Wild to...Jacks or better with a new mpu board. And also show the problem with the power supply. Just in case someone else has this problem. :rotfl:
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« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2015, 06:04:36 PM »
The connector in the power supply that goes to the on/off switch. Had a short inside,so that if the cable moved at all it cut power to the game for a second or two. If the game is in play and you cut power it can cause a fault in the mpu board. and give you a config error(or act like the wrong eproms are installed). So I put in a new power supply. Will add photo's as I changed the game from Two Jacks Wild to...Jacks or better with a new mpu board. And also show the problem with the power supply. Just in case someone else has this problem. :rotfl:

Could that bad power supply be repaired by replacing that power connector pins or mating connector contacts? Maybe they were loose fitting together.

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Re: Two Jacks Wild
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2015, 01:35:44 PM »
For whatever it's worth, based on the screenshots you posted, the software in there is just a regular "Jacks or Better" type video poker game.  The paytable isn't right for a "One Eyed Jacks" game.
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Re: Two Jacks Wild
« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2015, 12:20:44 PM »
Yes it is Straight Jacks or better. Changed it from Two jacks Wild.
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