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New Machine 1090-1-118
« on: September 30, 2015, 03:42:59 PM »
Hey all, brought another one home. Pics are attached. Couple questions. The agitator is missing in the hopper, I see Happ sells two, a 3 finger and a 6 finger? Which one do I get? Also, everything's works great on it until it's time to pay out. I set up a 3 BAR pay, the bell rang, but the hopper didn't do anything. Does nothing on any pays. Timer does nothing either.Initial checks indicate all fuses good, no blatantly loose wires, wiper arms on reel boards clean and making contact, and wipers on pay board next to hopper are all cleaned and making contact. Any thoughts?
« Last Edit: September 30, 2015, 07:40:33 PM by shortrackskater »

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Re: New Machine 1090-1-118
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2015, 03:44:24 PM »
I almost forgot, I'd like to add a candle to this one, do EM's use a dif candle than the new ones? If so, is there a source for these?

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Re: New Machine 1090-1-118
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2015, 07:42:37 PM »
There's some great vendors listed on the home page of NLG. Check that out before you order anything. Look at shipping costs as well. Hopefully one of our old timers will chime in soon on your question. I "flipped" your pictures so they can be viewed without straining your neck!  :propeller:
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Re: New Machine 1090-1-118
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2015, 07:45:41 PM »
Thank you sir! I don't know why the iPad always flips my pics like that. Going to look at the vendor page now!

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Re: New Machine 1090-1-118
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2015, 08:04:17 PM »
The Bally hoppers us the 6 point hopper stars. I would check your Beau Plugs for broken wires or bad connectors. These are the plugs that connect the hopper and reel to the cabinet. Your should also to see if the hopper spins, and some hopper have fuses too.
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Re: New Machine 1090-1-118
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2015, 08:12:20 PM »
Thanks Amechanic. I will look closer at the Beau plugs, I pulled the hopper and didn't see any corroded or burnt. I'll check the backside of them at the wires as well. The hopper does spin freely. This one has me scratching my head, and I thought I was doing so good after I got that Lowboy running like a champ lol.

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Re: New Machine 1090-1-118
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2015, 08:47:36 PM »
Check the relay stack on the hopper too for loose wires and the the contacts are correct. I use my meter to check the contact. Just because they touch, doesn't meen they are making a good connection. Also look for any wires hanging in the cabinet that can rub on moving parts.
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Re: New Machine 1090-1-118
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2015, 06:18:40 AM »
Post some pics of your hopper from different angels, maybe we can see whats wrong.

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Re: New Machine 1090-1-118
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2015, 04:07:49 PM »
Can do. Will put up some pics of it in and out of the machine. I apologize in advance because I'm sure they'll post sideways.

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Re: New Machine 1090-1-118
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2015, 10:35:08 AM »
I think the 3 coin stars were for dollars, and the 6 pointers for smaller coins.  But I don't remember, and it probably don't matter.
AFA pay problems, set up a pay and then pull the hopper out and step the payboard up one step and then gently push it back in and see if that affects anything.  You might also pull on the carriage (horseshoe thingy clipped on the payboard that holds your outer wiper fingers) and also pull down on the reels to see if moving the wipers gives better contact and initiates pay.  If you can get anything to pay, that's a giant step.  Try all pay combinations, especially the higher pays.   Mechanically step up the payboard and then reset it to ensure that it resets all the way.  You can check oldReno troubleshooting tips for additional help and suggestions.  I say that only because I don't know what level of troubleshooting you are at....


Afterthought-- I notice you have a 1090, so the payboard and assy are probably separated from the hopper, so you can actually manipulate the payboard with it in the machine.   And I would guess the step up solenoid on the payboard has a bunch of washers on it??  You can remove the screws holding the payboard in place, and move it forward a bit so you can watch it and step it up.  Check your molex plugs for loose pins, as they are more likely to be problems than the old Beau plugs.   Basically the power to turn on the hopper payout relay flows through the payboard, so it it is not getting juice, the payout relay can not turn on.  YOu can also CAREFULLY using a pencil or wood stick reach back and push down on the payout relay to see if that fires the motor.  Use the old one hand in the pocket technique with that trick.   
We did go through this with another 1090-type machine in the past, and I think the threads are still up...?  Anyway be careful.
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Re: New Machine 1090-1-118
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2015, 10:33:21 AM »
Making any progress on the hopper?

The 1090 quarter machine I have has a 6 pointed star agitator.
Power to the hopper is provided by the Payout Counter when it is set up to pay by the reel wipers.
If every winning combination where to be set up with no response I would assume no power to the reel wipers.
Page 75 in the Liberty Belle Book has good explanation on how reel wipers, payout counter and hopper work together.
Check for continuity probably at the reel wipers for power then to the payout counter then the hopper.

Then after that you'll find the problem in a very unexpected place by accident.
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Re: New Machine 1090-1-118
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2015, 06:43:22 PM »
Ooo, nice one! Could i get you to take some pics of the transformer, fuse area and the connection bar thingy like the attached pic

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Re: New Machine 1090-1-118
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2017, 07:57:02 PM »
Oooooooooookay. Reviving this thread. Apologies to all for dropping off the radar, had an assignment opportunity come up at work and had to take it. They wouldn't let me bring the 1090 to Greenland lol. So. It's much as I left it, and after looking at it with fresh eyes, it looks like some cobbed up wiring was done in here. I will post pics of the suspect areas tomorrow afternoon. Still no pays at all. I'm wondering if it was wired to not pay by someone. As always all help is appreciated. I tested all hopper switches, continuity is good open and closed. I really think it's way upstream of the hopper at this point. And the coin lockout seems to stay energized...

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Re: New Machine 1090-1-118
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2017, 08:34:27 PM »
Also, winner paid light does not come on for any pays I set up, and the win meter does not reset, it remains at 147 which is where it's been since I acquired it.

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Re: New Machine 1090-1-118
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2017, 07:22:50 AM »
I'm guessing if the counter still so stop says that it is not resetting the hopper check the zero stop switch see if the rubber button is hanging it up and I see it has been a long time since you started this post so let's get it fixed now

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Re: New Machine 1090-1-118
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2017, 05:17:52 PM »
Ok here we go, pics coming. For the record, I am not ultra knowledgeable on these. I know EM pinballs, and circuitry, but matching some of the slot component names with the part will take a minute for me to understand, so please bear with me. The 3 photos show where I am at right now. I can coin up (but that little coil by the mech stays energized), I can pull the handle, the reels spin, and index properly. That's it. No pays, even when I set them up. The hopper motor is free and not bound up. Any and all help is appreciated. I am standing by with with my meter and a willingness to learn. If anyone needs more photos of anything, please let me know and I'll be glad to take them.  :thank_you:

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Re: New Machine 1090-1-118
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2017, 08:18:54 PM »
This would be the zero stop switch a better picture on your end would be appreciated and if you do not have the manual you can go to my Facebook page go down about 30 or 40 post and download it it will save you a lot of time


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Re: New Machine 1090-1-118
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2017, 08:22:01 PM »
Check the payout relay mounted on the hopper top left corner approximately above the beau-plug.To begin with test the coil to see if it's working, inspect for loose or broken wires.Then make sure the contacts are clean and making contact with it mate. Contacts can appear to be closed, but still no continuity. Best to beep all contacts to be sure.
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Re: New Machine 1090-1-118
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2017, 09:10:36 PM »
Ok... interesting. Zero stop switch, check. Contacts were dirty on the switch, used a business card to clean them, they ring out clear now. I put the hopper back in, plugged it in and... it will not coin up anymore. I put 1-3 coins in, the coin accepted light comes on, but the chime doesn't ring with each coin drop like it did before, and the handle won't pull, unless I open the door and pull back on the pawl with my finger.


I have attached what I hope is a better picture of the zero stop switch... and I apologize for their being sideways, I don't know how to make it stop doing that...

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Re: New Machine 1090-1-118
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2017, 09:39:59 PM »
Push the hopper diagonally back and forth in and out just a 1/4 of and in or so.
Might be a weak connection. This happens every so often when replacing units.

 

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