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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => Bally Alpha Reel Games => Topic started by: rickhunter on April 14, 2014, 11:28:01 AM
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Here's the first of the machines I picked up from gameking this last weekend. Needs the ticket printer, so if you got some to sell, I'm here to buy. Cool game, it pays any three 7's scattered within 1 position of payline. I had never seen this game in the casinos. The Jurisdictional chip is from Michigan, does it allow for stand-alone ticket printing?
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Looks nice. I have that game listed on our website using the internal progressive. You will need a RS232 Gen2 or Iticha printer and it will have to be programmed for the Bally machine. CA and FL should be okay for a jurisdictional chip using a printer.
What other games did you get?
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The other one I got was B&W 7's. It's a 3 reel 25 line/125 max bet game. I have an Ithaca 850, how do I program it to bally? Is it just a harness to a PC or do I need a special tool of sorts? Or if you have some, I'll just buy a pair from you. The third machine I traded for an S2000, it was also a B&W 7's.
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In standalone mode, MI Jurisdiction chip will not work for you on the printer. The only one that I know that does is CA Tribal. A get around on that would be to use a TITO device which will allow the printer to work with any jurisdiction chip in there or of course you could change the jurisdiction chip out.
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The other one I got was B&W 7's. It's a 3 reel 25 line/125 max bet game. I have an Ithaca 850, how do I program it to bally? Is it just a harness to a PC or do I need a special tool of sorts? Or if you have some, I'll just buy a pair from you. The third machine I traded for an S2000, it was also a B&W 7's.
I can only do GEN2 printers.
Have you tried turning on the printer? Maybe the 850 is already programmed?
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The other one I got was B&W 7's. It's a 3 reel 25 line/125 max bet game. I have an Ithaca 850, how do I program it to bally? Is it just a harness to a PC or do I need a special tool of sorts? Or if you have some, I'll just buy a pair from you. The third machine I traded for an S2000, it was also a B&W 7's.
I can only do GEN2 printers.
Have you tried turning on the printer? Maybe the 850 is already programmed?
Ken,
That just jogged my memory. I remember now getting in some a couple years ago that had 850's in them and I never could get them to work. Actually they were missing the harness from the printer comm board to the standard plug that runs to the back plane. Looked like the casino just shoved them in there to make them "parts complete". Seems logical they should work but can't confirm any success on my end. In that case I bit the bullet and bought Gen 2's and put them in. I can get the Gen 2's and Ithaca 950's to work.
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The first machines that I purchased came in with GEN1s printers .. was not an option in the Alpha program menu .. at least what I tried didn't worked. All the harnesses was there for the GEN1 connection. I also think the casinos kept the RS232 printers and reached into the magic drum of slot parts and filled the void. I haven't found any RS232 printers that are reasonably priced yet and I would have to make sure I could get the correct harnesses.
I was in Miami a month ago and played around with the Alpha for a couple of days. The only printer I worked with was the GEN2 RS232. I was able to program it for the Alpha with CA jursidication and GEN2 GRU561C35 software. I sat there and printed 100 tickets so I figure that was successful. FL didn't work with C35 software. I haven't seen any Ithaca printers in the machines that I have but I remember seeing Ithaca in the menu. So the 850 may not be an option like the GEN1. Could be the 950 in the menu. I will have to admit that I did not try to find out if the GEN1 has software available since it wasn't listed in the program menu.
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I can only do GEN2 printers.
Have you tried turning on the printer? Maybe the 850 is already programmed?
The printer didn't come with it, I had it laying around and I believe it was at one point working with a BB2 machine. I was planning on using a TITO board on it anyway, so I guess the jurisdictional chip wouldn't matter.
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All my alpha's have gen 2 rs-232's in them-not to say 950's may work, Have not tried. I am not big on printers anyway. I do have piles of printers-lot's of gen 2's mostly igt and some bally williams. Will try and test some as time allows. Protocol on bally and wms was rs-232 all the way I thought on bv's and printers- :Scratch-Head: . I do also have some strange devices that convert signals to rs-232 -some made by bally (at least their logo is on them etc.) . Rick- Also make sure you have all the proper clear cards on hand depending on the OS platform you will be using(You prob. already know!). The hottest one I have seen for most app's is the 336-os series and a 335 clear. Of course other cobinations.
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Here is what it looks like with the progressive programmed.
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Nice indeed, BUT Look at all that nice glass u got piled up there!--- :arrowthruhead: :Tongue_Out: .
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The progressive looks cool. I'm going to have to do that to mine. I assume I have to clear it to setup progressive?
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heres a dumb question but how come some alphas have that square led box below the denom that shows what you won? :Scratch-Head:
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Those are the older Alphas that did not have a top LCD. Ever since the TOP LCD alpha have been around that little LCD screen below the denom was removed. Now all the messages and winning information is displayed on the top LCD and the "old fashioned" LED displays.
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In standalone mode, MI Jurisdiction chip will not work for you on the printer. The only one that I know that does is CA Tribal. A get around on that would be to use a TITO device which will allow the printer to work with any jurisdiction chip in there or of course you could change the jurisdiction chip out.
Congrats on the new ALPHA... Looks legit with the progressive on there!
I have a NEW JERSEY Jurisdiction chip in my M9000 and works great with the Bettor TITO. My other machine (S9E) is from an Arizona Tribal and have not tried it on that machine as I don't have a printer for that one.
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qreat looking machine! congrats!
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Looks like we may have some printer demands for these here?. If so I will take the time to look and get some out,test and put a price tag on them. Just printers, no housing brackets for alpha etc. Let me know. --These will be gen 2 rs-232 or "other" when I do this.
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Looks like we may have some printer demands for these here?. If so I will take the time to look and get some out,test and put a price tag on them. Just printers, no housing brackets for alpha etc. Let me know. --These will be gen 2 rs-232 or "other" when I do this.
I would need a whole kit. My S9E was gutted. There are a few cables just hangin in there.
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The progressive looks cool. I'm going to have to do that to mine. I assume I have to clear it to setup progressive?
Yes .. but you can't program multi-denom and internal progressive at the same time. It is one or the other.
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AHHH, that would explain why I wasn't able to change the progressive type in the configuration menu, it didn't respond. I had dual denomination setup. Will have to try that later today. Thanks for the tip.
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A couple of questions. Do the Game CF's require specific OS's like they do in the WMS platform, or is it basically Bios/OS/Clear requirement and then the OS runs any game CF card. I bought a 1Gig CPU and was wondering if I can use it with the current software I have. The current game I have is using the 317 bios.
Also during setup, I scrolled through the list of printers in the 317 bios, and the Ithaca 750, 850 and 950 were an option along with the PST-66.
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I don't know the answer to your game CF question. Im betting maybe Neonkiss or Blueridge know this answer...Maybe we can get them to chime in here (pardon me if I forgot one of you Alpha guys, those 2 just came to mind first).
On the printer, and I very well MAY have dreamed this, as its been awhile since we've been on Alphas, but I thought you needed to select PST-66 when using a Gen2??? I will check and see of I have a note somewhere.
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A couple of questions. Do the Game CF's require specific OS's like they do in the WMS platform, or is it basically Bios/OS/Clear requirement and then the OS runs any game CF card. I bought a 1Gig CPU and was wondering if I can use it with the current software I have. The current game I have is using the 317 bios.
Here is my setup. I have a M9000 with an upgraded 1GB MPU. I have a 2012 OS and a BIOS that fits in the MPU. I can play all my games (Emerald Falls, Mustang, Golden Reef, Hot Shot 15 Reels..classsics like American Original, Power Strike, Hot Shot Prog original, ect). I think if you have the newest ones of the OS and Bios, everything will work unless it needs to look for additional accessories. For shots and giggles I got a Quick Hit Diamond (V32) and tried to load it and it asks for a NVIDA card. Game Maker HD wants the stupid USB button deck. So you just have to watch out for things like that.
Also, in my copy of Emerald Falls if I go into GAME DIAG I have the option to test the Super Candle and Side Treatment (its grey out tho). Isn't that an Alpha 2 only option? The reason I ask is that Mustang and Golden Reef does not have those options. Maybe this is for another topic.
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I've never had a problem setting up any printer type on a Alpha other than the 850's. The Gen2's have proven to be the most reliable and yes they use the PST-66 setting. In general, most games will run on any OS. What is important is that your version of OS is a matching set to the BIOS chip.
My opinion is that there is no advantage to the newer (2008+) OS setups or the 1 GIG boards, in fact just the opposite. The newer OS takes twice as long to boot and the menu setup after a clear is more complicated, especially when it comes to internal progressive setup. The game plays the same on both new and old versions. In fact recently I ran into a case where an older version of OS gave me a unique "bounce" feature on the mechanical reels of a Hot Shots, where as it lost it with a newer version of OS. The 1 GIG boards eat batteries for lunch. I would guess a new battery will be done in 3 to 6 months if the machine is mostly turned off. There are really only a handful of the video M9000 games and some of the mechanical reel Cash Wheels that require the 1 GIG. Bottom line, if your game does not require a 1 GIG I would use a 256 or 512 instead with 2006 OS.
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TO each his own Jim :Tongue_Out:
I prefer newer Alpha games that do require a 1GH MPU. As far as menu setup, I see no difference in setting up progressives, game setups, ect. Am I missing something?
I like to think that I can run anything up until the heavy Alpha 2 games. I am actually going to upgrade my Ultimate Party Spin machine to a 1GB MPU very soon. When you load in later Alpha video game, it will stop the reels instead of having to disconnecting them.
This is just my preference. Everyone is different!
Help me find a printer KIT so I can get another TITO!
Charles
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Coolwave, is your M9000 a dual screen setup or just LCD on Door and glass on top? If you have an LCD on top is it also a touchscreen?
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Coolwave, is your M9000 a dual screen setup or just LCD on Door and glass on top? If you have an LCD on top is it also a touchscreen?
Heh. My M9000 is a single Monitor (Square 19 inch) and glass on top. Yes, I can run widescreen games on it with the image being squashed. Some games look better than others until I decide to convert it to a widescreen setup. The only problem I have with the widescreen setup on this cabinet is that the Speaker Grill looks ugly!
Here is a pic of it running a 1GB MPU
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Here is a video title on my mechanical machine.
FYI Hot Shot 15 Reel runs super smooth on my other machine with a 1GB MPU where it kind of struggles on the 512 MPU, even worse on the old 256 I used to have.
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Also during setup, I scrolled through the list of printers in the 317 bios, and the Ithaca 750, 850 and 950 were an option along with the PST-66.
Printer for the Alpha Gen 2 (Model PSA-66-ST2)
Hold the feed button and apply power to the printer and it will print a ticket with the version of firmware and communication protocols. Firmware should be GRUSA4100
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Here is a video title on my mechanical machine.
FYI Hot Shot 15 Reel runs super smooth on my other machine with a 1GB MPU where it kind of struggles on the 512 MPU, even worse on the old 256 I used to have.
What MPU is that Hot Shot 15 running on, the 512 or the 1GB?
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Here is a video title on my mechanical machine.
FYI Hot Shot 15 Reel runs super smooth on my other machine with a 1GB MPU where it kind of struggles on the 512 MPU, even worse on the old 256 I used to have.
What MPU is that Hot Shot 15 running on, the 512 or the 1GB?
In the picture its a 512. This game will run on any of them. Here is my experience with running on all three:
On the 256:
Runs very sluggish. The 15 reel spins are kinda slow. Some sound effects like the Bonus sounds sometimes get missed. Meaning they don't make a sound when landing. Animation is very slow with the particle effects, ect. Credit Rack up is really slow. Is it playable? Yes.
512:
Game runs smoother than the 256. Sound effects are more lined up with the graphics. The 15 Reel spins are still a little sluggish but not as bad as the 256.
1GB: Wow! I thought it was playing at turbo speed. I think this game was meant to run on this board. Flawless.
What I found most surprising is that this game is a 512MB card yet it still loaded into a 256 MPU. I have some sample videos of Hot Shot running on all 3 setups if you want me to throw it on YouTube.
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Thanks, the videos would be a good documentary on the effects of using different CPU's to run the same game. It's kind of the same thing as running a bb1 title like Zeus II on a BB2 cpu, things just runs smoother.
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Thanks, the videos would be a good documentary on the effects of using different CPU's to run the same game. It's kind of the same thing as running a bb1 title like Zeus II on a BB2 cpu, things just runs smoother.
Here is the YouTube link to the video comparison...
http://youtu.be/NnkBspjnqAc (http://youtu.be/NnkBspjnqAc)
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Awesome, thanks for the comparision videos. Makes me glad I bought a 1GB CPU.
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Interesting to see that and thanks for posting the video. I didn't experience anything close to that with the same machine type although I had a different game running (sister title) "All About the Money". I wish I still had that machine to check what OS I used, but I remember it was an older version. I am curious if the issue could be equally related to the OS being used. Did you consistently use the same OS for each of your tests and videos? A newer version? Seems logical a newer version of OS would clog up the processor on a 256 board.
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I do not think there is anything wrong with a 512 box. If you want to set up for some of the newer, cool games you are most of thime -SOL as compared to a 1 gig box. 1gig box gives you more versatility and, In my opinion is tons faster and some require the dual viedo graphics for the better, enchnaced graphics the games offer. I think my 1gig cash spin loads in less than 3-minutes. Uses the 336 family os I believe is what I have in it with matching bios of course. As far as harder set-up I have not seen this on my uses here for a 512/1gig difference. Take a 512 and a 1gig-equip them the same and see which one boots quicker!. I also use a 336 on most all of them-diam/devils had a 317 to begin with and now use 336-xx. Just what I have seen on mine. There prob. is some other combinations as well.
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Got the 2nd of the Alphas going today. It had a blown AMP (one of the caps is bulging, so I'm going to recap as soon as mouser sends them over). It also had a blown coin tray led lamp (one of the two work). Everything else works like a champ. This particular unit has a 512 MPU box running 317 OS. Setup the 3 level progressive, and within $200 of game play I hit the 3rd level progressive (which was $100, so I'm still "down). These Alpha games are very cool. Anybody got any 3 reel kits for sale?
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Try this ebay seller
http://stores.ebay.com/Southwest-Liquidation/Casino-Items-/_i.html?_fsub=394098319&_sid=1807549&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322 (http://stores.ebay.com/Southwest-Liquidation/Casino-Items-/_i.html?_fsub=394098319&_sid=1807549&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322)
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Enter..... The Junkman! Still has some things of interest for sure. I have not bought anything from him so I, Have No issues at all with this.
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On ebay?
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Rick, everything you get is in his photos so make sure it's all there. If it isn't you will not get it. Just say'n. :yes:
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Coolwave, Yes the junkman. As stated make sure you get it all as from the grape vine. Many have bought from him including vendors so prob. ok. Just look out for your self on the deal as this member has thousands of items for sell and prob. pretty busy so to be polite and correct prob. on times some things may be overlooked or missed--IMO.
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Yes, I bought a kit from him that had the wrong software, and he wouldn't budge on sending the right software, but he did make me a "deal" on another kit that had the software, so I wound up with two sets of strips and glass but only 1 set of software. Lesson learned. So now I look really carefully to make sure it has the right software on it.
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Rick, I have to agree. Most all of those sales and offers are attractive but the end result is what matters, What matters with me if I offer something and most everyone here that would offer items is that is good-to-go---good stuff-- :cool_thumb_up: .
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I have picked up about 4 3 reel kits from Junkman. He seems to be accepting 20.00 best offers these days. All four kits purchased are PERFECT! Correct software, strips, and complete. But ONLY because I look carefull at his pictures. He shows incorrect software for the kits in some auctions, so just avoid those.
I got a nice surprise from him, a newer 3 reel kit from late 2009, an old school 5X 10X pay. What is special, the reel backlite LED's are lit all the time, and winning symbols flash. Really brightens up the game, and looks more like an Alpha 2 that leaves the reel lights on, just a much newer look. Now I am curious how many other kits for the Alpha are out there that have all the reel lights on. Are others dicovering this?
Anyway, junkmans kits are great, just look carefully at what you are buying. Some of the software boxes only contain O/S cards and crap like that.
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I can not find him on eBay. Can you send me a direct link to the items he is selling? Thanks.
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http://www.ebay.com/sch/Collectibles-/1/m.html?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEFSXS%3AMESOI&_ssn=southwestliquidationnv (http://www.ebay.com/sch/Collectibles-/1/m.html?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEFSXS%3AMESOI&_ssn=southwestliquidationnv)
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Thats the same guy? lol duh...
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I have picked up about 4 3 reel kits from Junkman. He seems to be accepting 20.00 best offers these days. All four kits purchased are PERFECT! Correct software, strips, and complete. But ONLY because I look carefull at his pictures. He shows incorrect software for the kits in some auctions, so just avoid those.
I got a nice surprise from him, a newer 3 reel kit from late 2009, an old school 5X 10X pay. What is special, the reel backlite LED's are lit all the time, and winning symbols flash. Really brightens up the game, and looks more like an Alpha 2 that leaves the reel lights on, just a much newer look. Now I am curious how many other kits for the Alpha are out there that have all the reel lights on. Are others dicovering this?
Anyway, junkmans kits are great, just look carefully at what you are buying. Some of the software boxes only contain O/S cards and crap like that.
The first Alpha title at the beginning of the thread has the reel backlight pattern as you describe. My B&W 7's only light up to show the wining line.
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I have picked up about 4 3 reel kits from Junkman. He seems to be accepting 20.00 best offers these days. All four kits purchased are PERFECT! Correct software, strips, and complete. But ONLY because I look carefull at his pictures. He shows incorrect software for the kits in some auctions, so just avoid those.
I got a nice surprise from him, a newer 3 reel kit from late 2009, an old school 5X 10X pay. What is special, the reel backlite LED's are lit all the time, and winning symbols flash. Really brightens up the game, and looks more like an Alpha 2 that leaves the reel lights on, just a much newer look. Now I am curious how many other kits for the Alpha are out there that have all the reel lights on. Are others dicovering this?
Anyway, junkmans kits are great, just look carefully at what you are buying. Some of the software boxes only contain O/S cards and crap like that.
my monte carlo royale is always lit.
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A lot of memebers think that if all the reel lights are on that its "an alpha 2". That is not correct. I am still look for a Cherry Red 5 reel conversion kit but instead of helping me, they keep telling me its an Alpha 2. lol
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I also thought that you had to have an Alpha 2 to have the reel lights constantly lit. Hence my surprise when I kitted up my 3 reel 5X 10X pay and had constant reel lights. Loving it, must find more kits that do the same. Trying to figure out of game cards after a certain date do this? My 5X 10X has a card dated 10/09.
Would love to find a kit for my 5 reeler S9000 that does this. :-)