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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S2000 and Vision Games => Topic started by: jonbbrew on April 16, 2023, 12:52:24 AM
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Hello all,
As my work to “perfect” my improvements to my collection of Splus machines is coming near completion, I am starting to plan what I can do to “perfect” my one S2000 3 reel w/4th bonus reel machine. Loooongninto adding Tito printer so I’m learning about that.
My question is, what are my options to add backlite reeks to is? Is there any? What does it take?
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It should already have backlit reels if it is a bonus reel game.
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It should already have backlit reels if it is a bonus reel game.
Yes upon further inspection it does have the BL reels and at least a few of the bulbs meter out good, but nothing is happening. The 3 reel strips are not backlit so i want to order the correct ones from sunkist but want to make sure the BL Lights work since strips are pricey. What do i need to look for or trace to figure out why they arent coming on even though they would be ineffective?
Perhaps someone turned them off or unplugged somehow?
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The backlite controller is located to the right of the bell if it has either.
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The backlite controller is located to the right of the bell if it has either.
No bell.
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The backlite controller is located to the right of the bell if it has either.
This?
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Below that and behind the BV:
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Below that and behind the BV:
This? I do see a few empty sockets and one harness that appears to have a bypass on it.
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Yep, that's it.
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Yep, that's it.
So now what do I do to make them work? Are their harnesses misfits g or disconnected? What about that one that has the bypass on it?
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The reel harness that has mostly yellow wires on it and with the bypass plug with the single powder blue wire is bypassing an extra reel.
Clear the wires hanging down over that backlight driver board on the backwall, and take another picture so we can see all of the connector headers on the circuit board.
You might have the wrong type of backlighting controller board.
There are two versions.
One is for the newer style LED bulbs.
The other board is for incandescent lamps....the older style light bulbs.
The bulbs in your reels behind the reelstrips, are they LEDs or incandescent bulbs?
Below are a couple different types of backlight driver boards.
You can see they have different headers on the boards.
That's why I need to see a better picture than the one you took.
If you take a poor photo, that doesn't help us, help you.
Make a good effort to take the best picture possible.
Click on photo below to enlarge if needed...>>>
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The reel harness that has mostly yellow wires on it and with the bypass plug with the single powder blue wire is bypassing an extra reel.
Clear the wires hanging down over that backlight driver board on the backwall, and take another picture so we can see all of the connector headers on the circuit board.
You might have the wrong type of backlighting controller board.
There are two versions.
One is for the newer style LED bulbs.
The other board is for incandescent lamps....the older style light bulbs.
The bulbs in your reels behind the reelstrips, are they LEDs or incandescent bulbs?
Below are a couple different types of backlight driver boards.
Click on photo to enlarge if needed...>>>
Ok I’ll get a pic in a moment…but yes the bulbs that are on the reels are incandescent. Also it should be noted that this is a 4th bonus reel machine. The 4th reel does have backlights too but does have LEDs on a display that goes around the reel window so not sure if that will impact anything. It works fine but backlights on the 4th reel don’t.
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The pic I posted was from a machine with the 4th bonus reel. It does not have a LED controller, you need LED panel reels for that controller. I have two of them setup, both work correct including the LED ring. I use LED bulbs on other three reels. LED bulbs will not work with LED controller, only the LED panel reels will work with it. Not sure if the LED ring works with LED controller, I know it works without it.
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The 4th bonus reel that's NOT being used is why it has the blue jumper plug on the reel harness...it's jumping the doubled, green ground wires in the Molex connector housing.
6,14,8,12 are the number of pins for the four headers you need to have on the board.
In the photo above I posted in Reply #11, it would be the 1st board.
That board would work for your incandescent lamps.
The 3 plugs on top of the controller board run to the harness that runs behind the reel shelf on the back wall of your machine.
The plug on the left side of the board runs to the I/O board that's hanging on the side of your MPU enclosure.
The 2nd board in my photo is for the 4th bonus reel ring and the newer LED reelstrip backlighting.
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The 4th bonus reel that's NOT being used is why it has the blue jumper plug on the reel harness...it's jumping the doubled, green ground wires in the Molex connector housing.
6,14,8,12 are the number of pins for the four headers you need to have on the board.
In the photo above I posted in Reply #11, it would be the 1st board.
That board would work for your incandescent lamps.
The 2nd board in my photo is for the 4th bonus reel ring and the newer LED reelstrip backlighting.
So I am a little bit confused on what you wrote but looking at the pictures it seems like I have the board that you show on the right. In your writings, you stated that it’s for the fourth bonus real but with LED reel lights. I’m wondering if you think that’s the problem is that the lights that are in it should be LED instead for it to work? Again, my game is a fourth bonus reel.
I appreciate your help in trying to figure this out as I would surely like to get them to work so I can get the right reel strips
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No...the driver board you have on your backwall will work for incandescent lamps.
It's another driver board version I don't have a good photo of.
It has black Molex headers on it...like yours.
Someone before you had already changed the 4th reel game to a simpler 3 reel game....that's why they put the blue jumper in.
You should have three plugs free on the back of your reel shelf.
Those go into the top three headers on the backlight controller/driver board.
The 14-pin header on the left side of the controller board runs back with a separate harness to the I/O card that hangs on the wall of your MPU enclosure.
BTW what game are you trying to install that uses backlit strips?
If you're trying to make this a 4th reel bonus game, them you have to remove the blue jumper plug and plug it into the 4th reel connecter.
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No...the driver board you have on your backwall will work for incandescent lamps.
It's another driver board version I don't have a good photo of.
It has black Molex headers on it...like yours.
Someone before you had already changed the 4th reel game to a simpler 3 reel game....that's why they put the blue jumper in.
You should have three plugs free on the back of your reel shelf.
Those go into the top three headers on the backlight controller/driver board.
The 14-pin header on the left side of the controller board runs back with a separate harness to the I/O card that hangs on the wall of your MPU enclosure.
BTW what game are you trying to install that uses backlit strips?
If you're trying to make this a 4th reel bonus game, them you have to remove the blue jumper plug and plug it into the 4th reel connecter.
I’m not trying to install any new game. I just noticed that I had backlit reels, and now I want to make use of them. I’ll post a picture of my game.
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I would buy the 4th bonus reel from sixcardmark and any harnesses/boards needed.
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I would buy the 4th bonus reel from sixcardmark and any harnesses/boards needed.
That’s my whole question to begin with is what am I missing or need to get my lights to work. The game runs just fine as it is but I would like to have the extra special look of the backlit reels.
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Only the ring of lights on the 4th bonus reel has LED bulbs.
You need a controller like the one sixcardmark pictured.
Remove the blue jumper plug and plug the harness into the 4th reel.
If you don't have three free connectors behind the reel shelf, you need the harnessing for the driver board too.
You might also need the harness that runs back to the MPU enclosure I/O board if you don't have that.
Plug 'em all into the driver board and you're done.
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Only the ring of lights on the 4th bonus reel has LED bulbs.
You need a controller like the one sixcardmark pictured.
Remove the blue jumper plug and plug the harness into the 4th reel.
If you don't have three free connectors behind the reel shelf, you need the harnessing for the driver board too.
You might also need the harness that runs back to the MPU enclosure I/O board if you don't have that.
Plug 'em all into the driver board and you're done.
Thanks for all that information but I’m really having a hard time following it. I thought from my previous post that I do have the correct board for a fourth bonus real game set up. Now it looks like you’re stating that I need the other kind of board like the one on the left of your post. I am confused. I don’t know anything about the wiring schematics for an S2000 so I don’t know what I have or what is missing to make the back lighting work.
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Jon, your controller board is fine if it is good. Everything appears to be connected properly. Check the other end of the 12 pin harness for connection to the cabinet I/O. I don't like the fact that it is installed sideways (90 degrees CCW) but that shouldn't stop it from working. The jumper in the fourth reel position is also correct. The fifth position is used for the bonus reel. If you have 13/25vdc power at the 6 pin connector and it is plugged into the I/O everything should function assuming the parts are good. Do not forget rule #1.
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Only the ring of lights on the 4th bonus reel has LED bulbs.
You need a controller like the one sixcardmark pictured.
Remove the blue jumper plug and plug the harness into the 4th reel.
If you don't have three free connectors behind the reel shelf, you need the harnessing for the driver board too.
You might also need the harness that runs back to the MPU enclosure I/O board if you don't have that.
Plug 'em all into the driver board and you're done.
First of all, I appreciate you in advance for your patience with me at some of the terminologies. I’m still trying to learn. So here are a few pictures.
To be clear, this is a three real machine with a fourth bonus wheel. That works perfectly fine with the exception of no back lighting. The reels are backlit. They have incandescent bulbs that have metered working. I just have no idea on the wiring, diagram, equipment, etc. needed to make this work. I also read that it could be a game ship issue but like I said, the game works perfectly fine. Sorry but if there’s any way to post pictures with highlights or arrows that explain the routing or how to test things I would appreciate it. I’m just super basic visual.
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I/O connection confirmed by picture. Do you have power to the controller board? Red +13vdc, orange +25vdc. If not, try reseating the power supply. Sometimes they are not secured properly and can lose connection when moving the machine or during shipping.
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I/O connection confirmed by picture. Do you have power to the controller board? Red +13vdc, orange +25vdc. If not, try reseating the power supply. Sometimes they are not secured properly and can lose connection when moving the machine or during shipping.
This?
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Yes the 6 pin connector as already mentioned in reply #22.
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Yes the 6 pin connector as already mentioned in reply #22.
there is power to the board as the two leds or whatever they are are lit. Also, when unplugged there is a little red led that comes on. So it appears the board is powered. Now what?
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Try another cabinet I/O and then the controller board itself. Process of elimination. Remember rule #1. Check your backplane for anything that might be disconnected too. There should be 10 molex connectors intact plus the reel harness and ribbon cable.
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Try another cabinet I/O and then the controller board itself. Process of elimination. Remember rule #1. Check your backplane for anything that might be disconnected too. There should be 10 molex connectors intact plus the reel harness and ribbon cable.
It’s the only S2000 I have.
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Can anyone help guide me to solve this and get my backlights to work? I can take more pictures etc. just need sone guidance.
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I have this exact game set up currently. same backlight controller. everything looks to be correctly connected. I am using led replacement bulbs for the incandescent bulbs on all reels.
Works great. The LED are slightly lit at all times and light up fully when a winning combo hits.
On the backlight controller there are two LEDs one red and one yellow. with the door open and the machine powered up the red LED is on solid and the yellow one flashes like it is communicating with the I/O
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Is yours doing that also?
As RB mentioned yours is turned 90 degrees but you should still be able to see them. Mine has a metal cover on it but is not necessary
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On the backlight controller there are two LEDs one red and one yellow. with the door open and the machine powered up the red LED is on solid and the yellow one flashes like it is communicating with the I/O
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Is yours doing that also?
As RB mentioned yours is turned 90 degrees.
So I dug into it a little bit deeper and there’s only one screw holding the board so obviously the previous owner or somebody has gotten into it. On a sidenote, it also has non-backlit reels strips, so I was looking at replacing them, but wanted to make sure the lights worked first before spending a huge amount of money with Sunkist.
So with the one screw it has I spun it around to your orientation. I have another light off to the left like in my picture before I turned it. But I can see there are supposed to be two lights like you have. I only have one Amber one out of the two that’s lit up and it’s flashing. it appears it’s the left one of the two.
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I have this exact game set up currently. same backlight controller. everything looks to be correctly connected. I am using led replacement bulbs for the incandescent bulbs on all reels.
Works great. The LED are slightly lit at all times and light up fully when a winning combo hits.
On the backlight controller there are two LEDs one red and one yellow. with the door open and the machine powered up the red LED is on solid and the yellow one flashes like it is communicating with the I/O
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Is yours doing that also?
As RB mentioned yours is turned 90 degrees but you should still be able to see them. Mine has a metal cover on it but is not necessary
What’s also weird but I noticed a while back is when I was moving around some connections. I noticed if I pulled out the six prong Molex, the red light that you’re referring to would show up with the yellow blinking next to it but it really hasn’t changed anything. So can you confirm that all four of the white Molex plugs on the board are connected to a harness? I just have no idea about the wiring schematics since there are black ones that are empty. It’s confusing.
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Yes all of the white molex plugs are filled with connectors. none of the black ones are occupied.
if i power off the machine, never unplug anything on these machine when they are powered up, and unplug the 6 pin molex. when i power up the machine i have no backlights but the machine works fine and the red and yellow LED are on with the yellow one flashing.
So with that i would have to say there is a problem with your 6 pin molex not supplying power for the lights. did you meter it? should have both 12 volt and 25 volts as mentioned above.
Check that 6-pin cable it goes right up to the power supply connector. make sure your power supply is fully seated. might even remove the screw that holds it in and slide it back and then slide it forward with a little extra push to make sure it's seated.
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Yes all of the white molex plugs are filled with connectors. none of the black ones are occupied.
if i power off the machine, never unplug anything on these machine when they are powered up, and unplug the 6 pin molex. when i power up the machine i have no backlights but the machine works fine and the red and yellow LED are on with the yellow one flashing.
So with that i would have to say there is a problem with your 6 pin molex not supplying power for the lights. did you meter it? should have both 12 volt and 25 volts as mentioned above.
Check that 6-pin cable it goes right up to the power supply connector. make sure your power supply is fully seated. might even remove the screw that holds it in and slide it back and then slide it forward with a little extra push to make sure it's seated.
Will try that and get back shortly. Thanks. I am also wondering if the board is bad since it has been toyed with, there is not plastic protection for the circuitry on the back so not to contact the cabinet, etc.
Also, can you post a pic or video of your reels lit up and/or playing?
Plus what leds did you use for your reel lights?
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Yes all of the white molex plugs are filled with connectors. none of the black ones are occupied.
if i power off the machine, never unplug anything on these machine when they are powered up, and unplug the 6 pin molex. when i power up the machine i have no backlights but the machine works fine and the red and yellow LED are on with the yellow one flashing.
So with that i would have to say there is a problem with your 6 pin molex not supplying power for the lights. did you meter it? should have both 12 volt and 25 volts as mentioned above.
Check that 6-pin cable it goes right up to the power supply connector. make sure your power supply is fully seated. might even remove the screw that holds it in and slide it back and then slide it forward with a little extra push to make sure it's seated.
Yeah so it appears as it’s only getting the 25v but nothing on the red line
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here is a picture of the bulb i got them off eBay some time ago so i don't have a link. but like these
https://www.ebay.com/itm/121043584332?hash=item1c2ec2854c:g:U2IAAOSwqnBjUZoD&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4Jm%2FB8mO3xQZPZ5xULSNpzYMVP%2FBltyCLv76BpxyqawScYYPYsLaEyn4HTfpPDExRWnuZVdOlO2IR819ajkSLJZlhWYjiANaplEBVTushrm%2BjY3XJUDg1AmDAOmexZ1YsbTsKhGDhSIqOTRGAUQVP5jMAFD6fdlhvP%2BZez8vBo%2Fpm8L3sxXl9lYdOvsAK%2Bs80o17Xj0ISTR%2Fw80GCqR1nSvYTA6QBoRlxgHMi1%2BncRQ2ms9q%2BmuQuW6wlNmg%2FVDBxdcG1WEVZ3j2Gyw2r0q8NsOQkZV9ZzymnXnQPu0LeGXd%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_7NgtyaYg (https://www.ebay.com/itm/121043584332?hash=item1c2ec2854c:g:U2IAAOSwqnBjUZoD&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4Jm%2FB8mO3xQZPZ5xULSNpzYMVP%2FBltyCLv76BpxyqawScYYPYsLaEyn4HTfpPDExRWnuZVdOlO2IR819ajkSLJZlhWYjiANaplEBVTushrm%2BjY3XJUDg1AmDAOmexZ1YsbTsKhGDhSIqOTRGAUQVP5jMAFD6fdlhvP%2BZez8vBo%2Fpm8L3sxXl9lYdOvsAK%2Bs80o17Xj0ISTR%2Fw80GCqR1nSvYTA6QBoRlxgHMi1%2BncRQ2ms9q%2BmuQuW6wlNmg%2FVDBxdcG1WEVZ3j2Gyw2r0q8NsOQkZV9ZzymnXnQPu0LeGXd%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_7NgtyaYg)
Here is also a video of the machine.
https://youtube.com/shorts/Bwg16e1cjz0?feature=share (https://youtube.com/shorts/Bwg16e1cjz0?feature=share)
Let me know if you need anything further
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here is a picture of the bulb i got them off eBay some time ago so i don't have a link. but like these
https://www.ebay.com/itm/121043584332?hash=item1c2ec2854c:g:U2IAAOSwqnBjUZoD&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4Jm%2FB8mO3xQZPZ5xULSNpzYMVP%2FBltyCLv76BpxyqawScYYPYsLaEyn4HTfpPDExRWnuZVdOlO2IR819ajkSLJZlhWYjiANaplEBVTushrm%2BjY3XJUDg1AmDAOmexZ1YsbTsKhGDhSIqOTRGAUQVP5jMAFD6fdlhvP%2BZez8vBo%2Fpm8L3sxXl9lYdOvsAK%2Bs80o17Xj0ISTR%2Fw80GCqR1nSvYTA6QBoRlxgHMi1%2BncRQ2ms9q%2BmuQuW6wlNmg%2FVDBxdcG1WEVZ3j2Gyw2r0q8NsOQkZV9ZzymnXnQPu0LeGXd%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_7NgtyaYg (https://www.ebay.com/itm/121043584332?hash=item1c2ec2854c:g:U2IAAOSwqnBjUZoD&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA4Jm%2FB8mO3xQZPZ5xULSNpzYMVP%2FBltyCLv76BpxyqawScYYPYsLaEyn4HTfpPDExRWnuZVdOlO2IR819ajkSLJZlhWYjiANaplEBVTushrm%2BjY3XJUDg1AmDAOmexZ1YsbTsKhGDhSIqOTRGAUQVP5jMAFD6fdlhvP%2BZez8vBo%2Fpm8L3sxXl9lYdOvsAK%2Bs80o17Xj0ISTR%2Fw80GCqR1nSvYTA6QBoRlxgHMi1%2BncRQ2ms9q%2BmuQuW6wlNmg%2FVDBxdcG1WEVZ3j2Gyw2r0q8NsOQkZV9ZzymnXnQPu0LeGXd%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_7NgtyaYg)
Here is also a video of the machine.
https://youtube.com/shorts/Bwg16e1cjz0?feature=share (https://youtube.com/shorts/Bwg16e1cjz0?feature=share)
Let me know if you need anything further
Thank you I appreciate the help you’re giving. Yeah so where do I go now knowing that it’s not getting one side of that current? It doesn’t appear there’s fuses like an S plus's. So does that mean I just need to find a power supply?
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did you try re-seating the power supply?
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did you try re-seating the power supply?
I have it out right now, but I’m going to put it back in just a moment. But there’s no fuses, correct
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there is one inside but it is for the whole supply not just one of the voltages it puts out.
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there is one inside but it is for the whole supply not just one of the voltages it puts out.
Yeah reseated no change. Tested wire harness and it’s good too. So power supply it is I guess. Is that the only part that gets the 13v is the backlit reels? Weird how just that one part would go bad. But maybe it happens.
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Well, thank you everyone on the solution was I needed a new power supply as the 13 V side was not working correctly. Now I have to just find the correct strips that are actually back lit compatible.
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Hello again,
I will also start a new post if no one replies here....But i am working on another S2000 where its backlits do not work. Not sure what the heck is going on and both of the S2000 i picked up have issues that include backligting....Either case, at least this one has BL Strips, so i really want to make it work. I checked the power supply as that was the issue on my other one that started this thread, and it is fine right up to the BL board. I do have another board i purchased but i noticed that this machine only has 3 connections not 4 like my other one.
1. Is that normal?
2. If not would that mean i have a harness missing or an incorrect one at least?
3. Can someone tell me what that connection is for and its route?
The plug is a 10 pin (5 on each row) that does not have a connection. Again, my other machine has that 10 pin connector and although its hard to trace it appears its going back to the MPU or backplane board (if that's the proper terminology).
Any help appreciated.
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The 10 pin is not used on a 3 reel machine. The problem is likely your SB chip. Use SB100050. It has support for backlit reels.
SB100001 does not.
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The 10 pin is not used on a 3 reel machine. The problem is likely your SB chip. Use SB100050. It has support for backlit reels.
SB100001 does not.
hmmm. Can you show me where the info is found so I can learn more? Is that chip you’re suggesting just a newer cigar game?
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The 10 pin is not used on a 3 reel machine. The problem is likely your SB chip. Use SB100050. It has support for backlit reels.
SB100001 does not.
hmmm. Can you show me where tfst I found so I can learn more? Is that chip you’re suggesting just a newer cigar game?
I don't know what tfst means. 100050 is Double Five Times Pay. Cigar is a clone.
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Typo. Corrected.
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jonbrew,
You can find your chips on this link...>>>
http://newlifegames.net/igt-game-bible/IGT/IGT-SpinningReel-S2K.htm (http://newlifegames.net/igt-game-bible/IGT/IGT-SpinningReel-S2K.htm)