**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => Bally Electromechanical => Topic started by: David Walz on May 21, 2023, 03:48:50 PM
Title: Bally 831-4Z Full Restoration
Post by: David Walz on May 21, 2023, 03:48:50 PM
:banghead: OK here we go again, I just can't stay out of trouble.! Make: Bally slot machine Model: 831-4Z Serial number: TL-8493 Year of manufacture: 08-26-76 Denomination: 25¢ I couldn't pass this up, A old lady has a huge playroom in her basement, a coin operated pool table, the bar is exactly like the ones from the 1950's, all stocked, a sitting area with book cases. And one Bally slot machine 831-4Z which I grabbed.
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Post by: David Walz on May 21, 2023, 03:53:03 PM
Numbers are matching up. Photos:
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Post by: David Walz on May 21, 2023, 03:57:35 PM
As you can see the numbers are matching up on the parts. More aphotos.
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Post by: David Walz on May 21, 2023, 04:01:18 PM
The wiring looks good. The parts look nice. More photos.
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Post by: David Walz on May 21, 2023, 04:06:44 PM
One coil looks toasty.
More photos.
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Post by: David Walz on May 21, 2023, 04:09:04 PM
Here is the issue, the #3 is correct stamped, #1,#2 are not correct. I don't think that's a major issue. I need to start researching the reels. More photos.
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Post by: David Walz on May 21, 2023, 04:14:39 PM
M-645-144 is the number
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Post by: David Walz on May 21, 2023, 04:21:00 PM
I don't know if the belly glass is original or afterwards. More pictures:
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Post by: wolftalk on May 21, 2023, 08:19:17 PM
Here is the issue, the #3 is correct stamped, #1,#2 are not correct. I don't think that's a major issue. I need to start researching the reels. More photos.
p-584-[70, 72, 73] are correct.
the stamping may be those numbers (_/- dashes and the p), the code for a game the index discs were used on - e.g. 3LM-L-[1, 2A, 3B] - or rarely the game model number like you have.
the bottom glass was probaly not what originally shipped in the machine. The 4Z was a generic bally game, so it had a generic bally glass. Lucky you, since the bally glass is kinda boring.
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Post by: David Walz on May 22, 2023, 06:15:40 AM
Here is the issue, the #3 is correct stamped, #1,#2 are not correct. I don't think that's a major issue. I need to start researching the reels. More photos.
p-584-[70, 72, 73] are correct.
the stamping may be those numbers (_/- dashes and the p), the code for a game the index discs were used on - e.g. 3LM-L-[1, 2A, 3B] - or rarely the game model number like you have.
the bottom glass was probaly not what originally shipped in the machine. The 4Z was a generic bally game, so it had a generic bally glass. Lucky you, since the bally glass is kinda boring.
Cool.
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Post by: David Walz on May 22, 2023, 10:25:52 AM
Here is the issue, the #3 is correct stamped, #1,#2 are not correct. I don't think that's a major issue. I need to start researching the reels. More photos.
p-584-[70, 72, 73] are correct.
the stamping may be those numbers (_/- dashes and the p), the code for a game the index discs were used on - e.g. 3LM-L-[1, 2A, 3B] - or rarely the game model number like you have.
the bottom glass was probaly not what originally shipped in the machine. The 4Z was a generic bally game, so it had a generic bally glass. Lucky you, since the bally glass is kinda boring.
So the reels are 100% correct. One less issue I need to deal with, on to the belly glass.
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Post by: David Walz on May 22, 2023, 05:46:20 PM
More photos. The two glass pieces, door light bulbs.
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Post by: David Walz on May 22, 2023, 05:50:49 PM
More photos, door light bulbs, fuses, door switch.
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Post by: David Walz on May 22, 2023, 05:55:54 PM
More photos, bell, door plug, coin micro switch, handle release coil/switches.
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Post by: David Walz on May 22, 2023, 05:58:52 PM
More photos. Upper cabinet.
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Post by: David Walz on May 22, 2023, 06:05:13 PM
:yes:That's basically the overview of the slot machine, next is pulling down the hopper in detail, reel assembly, upper assembly, door assembly, cabinet assembly. It will be cleaning each part, removing the crud, wires, switches, coils, etc.
This should more enjoyable to restore since the slot machine is complete, and the parts are original to the model number. :applause:
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Post by: David Walz on May 23, 2023, 04:24:10 PM
For the life of me I didn't think this was a casino slot machine, I actually thought it was a aftermarket belly glass. In doing the research on the Summa label this is where it came together.
"It remained the New Frontier until 1967 when billionaire Howard Hughes bought it and renamed it the Frontier, although by then little of the original building existed. In 1988, Margaret Elardi bought The Frontier from the late Howard Hughes company, Summa Corp. Elardi had previously been the part-owner of the Pioneer Club Las Vegas and the Pioneer Hotel & Gambling Hall in Laughlin. She closed the showroom, which had featured Siegfried and Roy, and down-scaled much of the hotel."
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Post by: David Walz on May 23, 2023, 06:50:20 PM
Taking things apart. The fuse paper has from left to right: 6 volts 8 amps, 50 volts 5 amps, line volt 8 amp. What I see is that someone changed the fuse sizes, I think it's most important to stick with the factory fuse.
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Post by: David Walz on May 24, 2023, 06:36:13 AM
Takedown.
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Post by: David Walz on May 24, 2023, 06:38:56 AM
Takedown.
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Post by: David Walz on May 24, 2023, 06:43:07 AM
Takedown.
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Post by: David Walz on May 24, 2023, 06:51:33 AM
Burnt coil, I believe I have one in my parts, an original Bally.
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Post by: David Walz on May 24, 2023, 09:44:06 AM
Take down. Not as dirty as my last two slot machines.
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Post by: David Walz on May 24, 2023, 09:46:48 AM
Takedown. The top of the cabinet has some duct tape that was sold. That was a PITA to remove. Over wiring condition is good, I have a few issues.
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Post by: David Walz on May 24, 2023, 09:52:03 AM
Takedown.
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Post by: David Walz on May 24, 2023, 09:55:34 AM
Takedown. Every screw has it's place.
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Post by: David Walz on May 24, 2023, 09:58:35 AM
Takedown.
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Post by: David Walz on May 24, 2023, 10:01:46 AM
Takedown.
Getting everything apart is the easy part. Assembly is what's going to take awhile cleaning everything. :banghead:
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Post by: David Walz on May 24, 2023, 05:33:33 PM
The cabinet, inner shell are actually in good condition. Very little dirt, cabinet had something sprayed on it, wine or beer, I have to glue a wood separation, the inner shell is in great condition, I got the interior cleaned up easy peasy. Compared to my last two slot machines this was really nice. The door frame cleaned up well, it's in good condition, the chrome is in good condition.
Looking at the overall condition of the slot machine, it's good. I have extra solenoid's so replacing burnt ones will be easy. I have extra square body meters, a lock coming in for the reset, the door lock is set up and ready to go, I use only the old 1970's Abloy locks on all of my slot machines.
Some s**t stuck gum in the coin drop and that was pretty pathetic. :hissyfit:
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Post by: David Walz on May 25, 2023, 09:39:27 AM
Digging in.
Handle mechanism assembly is relative clean.
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Post by: David Walz on May 25, 2023, 09:44:42 AM
More pics handle mechanism assembly.
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Post by: David Walz on May 25, 2023, 09:52:04 AM
Cabinet separation, glued, clamped, put a couple of screws inside of the shell.
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Post by: David Walz on May 25, 2023, 02:22:22 PM
More work.
The tower light was gross, it was horrible! It cleaned up nicely, and the wiring is perfect. No other holes were on the top. That's great news.
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Post by: David Walz on May 25, 2023, 02:31:21 PM
Next was the interior pieces. I found some stripped wood screws as usual, glue and toothpicks fixed it up. The rubber stops that are inside the pull lever mechanism, I always flip them around.
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Post by: David Walz on May 25, 2023, 02:33:42 PM
Inter metal pieces, cleaned and reinstalled.
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Post by: David Walz on May 25, 2023, 02:36:18 PM
The door shell cleaned up nicely, the lock is installed, the chrome polished, hinges are clean.
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Post by: David Walz on May 26, 2023, 09:35:09 AM
What a great find!!! The door wiring is pristine, nothing wrong with the wiring. All of the bulb sockets are working, I replaced all of the bulbs on the door.
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Post by: David Walz on May 26, 2023, 09:44:57 AM
Installing the wiring harness on the door. Everything fit perfectly.
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Post by: David Walz on May 26, 2023, 09:49:18 AM
While I was assembling the coin assembly on the door, the spring disappeared. Well I found it embedded in my shoe. :banghead:
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Post by: David Walz on May 26, 2023, 11:57:25 AM
So far, its great. The glass is beautiful, excellent condition. I polished up the metal and wow!
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Post by: David Walz on May 26, 2023, 12:07:09 PM
The wiring actually is in good condition overall.
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Post by: David Walz on May 27, 2023, 09:33:07 AM
Assembly of the wiring assembly.
These switches were bent to s**t. I spent time to get them straighten out.
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Post by: David Walz on May 27, 2023, 09:36:03 AM
Wiring assembly.
The fuses, the middle one was blown. I have a theory where it came from.
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Post by: David Walz on May 27, 2023, 09:42:44 AM
Wiring assembly.
I figured out why the second transformer is in place, the factory set up a wiring harness in the top for a lighted topper, sign.
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Post by: David Walz on May 27, 2023, 09:46:18 AM
Wiring assembly.
The door plugs are perfect, nothing wrong with them.
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Post by: David Walz on May 27, 2023, 09:50:11 AM
Wire assembly.
Overall, everything is correct, what is missing is the third meter, a white wire hanging from the 24 plug on the reels, to the hopper plug.
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Post by: David Walz on May 27, 2023, 02:33:16 PM
Working on several things.
Installing the wiring harness inside of the cabinet. no real issues, thankfully no one hacked/butchered the slot machine before I got it. Installing the lock assembly..
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Post by: David Walz on May 27, 2023, 02:41:37 PM
On the wiring harness, the reels 24 Plug, I have a 50 wire hanging out. I sourced it to the hopper #13 plug #50 wire. Now I have to trace that wire and see where it goes.
Resolved the issue, it's a extra wire used for the hopper. Thanks to Wolftalk for enlightening me. I am going to tuck it away. :thank_you:
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Post by: David Walz on May 27, 2023, 02:44:13 PM
The diverter coil looked toasty. I had a new one so I switched it around.
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Post by: David Walz on May 27, 2023, 02:48:42 PM
I have to review my photos to see where this needs to go, I forgot about it.
Update, its the upper glass bracket. :banghead:
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Post by: David Walz on May 27, 2023, 08:09:56 PM
Mail call. The National cam lock was missing, I installed a new one, same exact lock was used from the factory. :applause: :mail_2:
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Post by: David Walz on May 27, 2023, 08:20:04 PM
So far, I have the slot machine completely taken apart, cleaned, repaired, replaced the bulbs, replaced a coil, repaired a couple of thing, and overall it's really turned out fantastic overall.
On to the; hopper, reels, upper assembly. Those will need to be taken apart, cleaned up, replace whatever is needed. All three are in excellent condition. :Eating_Cookie:
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Post by: David Walz on May 27, 2023, 08:28:04 PM
I was able to source a few parts that I need.
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Post by: David Walz on May 28, 2023, 09:55:15 AM
The upper cabinet feature.
Some problems to sort out. Cut wires, burned solenoid, dissembling, cleaning, etc.
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Post by: David Walz on May 28, 2023, 10:02:53 AM
The upper cabinet feature.
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Post by: David Walz on May 28, 2023, 10:04:20 AM
The upper cabinet feature.
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Post by: David Walz on May 28, 2023, 05:01:43 PM
:soapbox_3: Reels are a real PITA, they have the most lubricant on them. When they start slowing down some village idiot pours lubricant on the reels. So I end up getting my hands dirty, cleaning them regularly.
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Post by: David Walz on May 29, 2023, 03:25:57 PM
I dismantled the reel assembly, it was grunged.
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Post by: David Walz on May 29, 2023, 03:28:46 PM
This was a extreme goop reels.
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Post by: David Walz on May 29, 2023, 03:30:31 PM
Everything looks great, just caked on grease.
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Post by: David Walz on May 29, 2023, 03:35:43 PM
Cleaning up the parts are kinda like mud wrestling, assembly takes a whole lot of time.
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Post by: David Walz on May 29, 2023, 03:38:33 PM
Do you know why C clips are referred to as Jesus clips, because they fly into the air and disappear.
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Post by: David Walz on May 29, 2023, 03:44:59 PM
Upper unit. I am trying to determine, with Wolftalk, to figure out where 4 wires go to, they were cut. These are more photos of the unit.
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Post by: David Walz on May 29, 2023, 03:47:24 PM
More photos of the upper unit. I have a flasher, bulb in the unit.
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Post by: David Walz on May 29, 2023, 04:02:04 PM
The reel "clock Assembly" was in piss poor shape.
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Post by: David Walz on May 30, 2023, 06:15:10 AM
:thank_you: Just to give some credit for all of my slot machine repairs. Wolftalk is a great guy for helping me out. :thank_you:
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Post by: David Walz on May 30, 2023, 02:28:18 PM
Good news the reel assembly is complete. The electrical will need some work on cleaning.
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Post by: David Walz on May 30, 2023, 02:32:21 PM
110V cord installed, just like the old one, except that I solder the wires before I crimp the white wires.
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Post by: David Walz on May 30, 2023, 02:37:19 PM
Now my problem, the reels in the deepest cut out in the stop index wheel doesn't match up for the stop reels. For now I have everything back together, and once I find a solution then I will fix it.
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Post by: David Walz on May 30, 2023, 07:31:00 PM
I have the stop index wheels figured out.
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Post by: David Walz on May 30, 2023, 07:44:48 PM
Still working on the reel mechanism, aligning the wipers, everything is slick as snot. Keep on getting things put back together.
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Post by: David Walz on May 31, 2023, 10:17:52 AM
Using 831-ZE as a similar wiring diagram, this will help out a lot.
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Post by: David Walz on May 31, 2023, 01:44:56 PM
Reels cleaned.
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Post by: David Walz on May 31, 2023, 01:50:45 PM
Reels cleaned.
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Post by: David Walz on May 31, 2023, 07:11:18 PM
I pulled my meters out of my stash, and took them apart and repaired them. Two are now working excellent. :dancing_2:
The meter bracket is being shipped.
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Post by: David Walz on June 01, 2023, 10:42:06 AM
Hopper cleaning.
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Post by: David Walz on June 01, 2023, 10:44:38 AM
More hopper.
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Post by: David Walz on June 01, 2023, 10:48:31 AM
Hopper cleaning.
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Post by: David Walz on June 01, 2023, 10:52:31 AM
Hopper cleaning.
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Post by: David Walz on June 02, 2023, 06:39:53 AM
It's really awesome when you have a slot machine like this one with a hopper in excellent condition, the wiring not cut up, reels in excellent condition.
The only issue is that the upper unit wiring, that needs some work, however you really can't complain about it. The upper unit is in good condition overall, I am replacing the light bulbs as usual.
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Post by: David Walz on June 02, 2023, 04:50:36 PM
So, progress has been made. The USA made bulbs came in, so I'm switching them out. The bracket for the meters came in today. I have been plugging in the slot machine checking out different systems, bulbs, etc. One most important thing is replacing the old power supply most are dried up rubber.
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Post by: David Walz on June 03, 2023, 10:46:59 AM
Searching for the brown white wire for the cash box meter. I located it behind the reels, I ended up pulling new wire through the loom.
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Post by: David Walz on June 03, 2023, 02:53:39 PM
I’ve got the reels ready.
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Post by: David Walz on June 04, 2023, 02:30:05 PM
Just a short detour, Jan my wife, and I are our two day road trip to Fairbanks and back home in Wasilla. The Lincoln is our traveling car, it sits in the garage during the winter.
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Post by: David Walz on June 05, 2023, 06:24:55 AM
I have been working on the third wheel, getting it in line with the rest of the wheels. It's been a wild ride. At least I can work on it in my sunroom, relaxing. I am studying the payouts, how the work, the correct sequence, the payouts are not a issue, the hopper is 100% functional.
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Post by: David Walz on June 05, 2023, 10:31:28 AM
Sorting out the hopper payouts.The wire colors, hopper plug, reel plugs,
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Post by: David Walz on June 06, 2023, 06:49:57 AM
Still ferreting out issues.
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Post by: David Walz on June 06, 2023, 04:26:08 PM
Line step up unit gone over for bugs. Wolftalk was helping me out.
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Post by: David Walz on June 06, 2023, 04:30:11 PM
I've isolated the upper cabinet unit. I think it's has some mental issues. The coin lock out coil is activated all of the time. :banghead:
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Post by: David Walz on June 06, 2023, 08:55:46 PM
Well, I have gone through the top, everything looks good, moving on.
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Post by: David Walz on June 07, 2023, 04:33:08 PM
Onwards to restore the coin switch.
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Post by: David Walz on June 08, 2023, 08:20:15 AM
OK, I found the problem with the coin switch, the release switches, solenoid, were out of wack. Everything needed alignment, cleaning, adjustment. Actually, it looked like something may have been pushed up against the switches, they were twisted. :Scratch-Head:
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Post by: David Walz on June 08, 2023, 08:27:50 AM
The coin blocker was activated and wouldn't release. Wolftalk suggested to look at the key override micro switch. It was toast, Wolftalk once again, the man of the hour. :thank_you:
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Post by: David Walz on June 08, 2023, 08:30:34 AM
On to the next problem, checking out the flasher system. It's in the upper unit, I found some useful information here on the forum.
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Post by: David Walz on June 08, 2023, 08:47:48 AM
If you need a #455 flasher Marco has them.
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Post by: David Walz on June 08, 2023, 11:06:29 AM
Working on the candle the plastic is the original color, the wiring is factory. This is the original one supplied with the machine. It's nice to have everything together on a machine without sourcing for parts. :dancing_2:
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Post by: David Walz on June 08, 2023, 12:29:21 PM
So far, its coming along. More work needed.
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Post by: David Walz on June 09, 2023, 11:42:38 AM
Working on the reels. I'm trying to figure out the position of the pay outs. Someone goofed them up. It's been a lot of work deciphering everything. :Scratch-Head:
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Post by: David Walz on June 10, 2023, 07:00:03 AM
The next repair is the second and third line to pay out. :banghead: Everything works, the coin advancement, except the payout. I've been at this for awhile now.
:wav: :wav: So, what's working now: the hopper the reels are set and payout is correct the 3 coin advancement the lockout coil the lights the safety the meters the wiring is 100% correct in the door the wiring is 100% correct in the lower cabinet.
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Post by: David Walz on June 11, 2023, 04:50:38 PM
After 2 days of going through the machine, I found some cut wires in the reels. I've spent hours looking for the issues.
Update: Tracing each wire, the ones that are cut are the upper and lower wins. Unbelievable, this is going to be some work to figure out the correct sequence.
Update: I have learned a lot, Wolftalk educated me on the way the slot machines are manufactured. Seems that the factory has these wiring harness ready to install and they have extra wires they don't use so they tape them up. Then you have someone like me who is trying to decipher the wiring harness, and get lost trying to figure it out. So, the important thing is to review the wiring, look at everything, how the wires are soldered, factory or non factory.
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Post by: David Walz on June 13, 2023, 08:04:27 AM
Ok, A quick update. I have had my coffee, and some sleep. I determined that I have the #1 reel wiring is cut. It looks like #3, #2 are not missing anything. :Scratch-Head:
The wires are extra, again, Wolftalk educated me on the way the slot machines are manufactured. Seems that the factory has these wiring harness ready to install and they have extra wires they don't use so they tape them up.
I want to try and pass on this information, so others can understand that these machines have wiring quarks, and you need to keep working the problem. :nerd:
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Post by: David Walz on June 15, 2023, 05:27:39 AM
I am still working on the problem with the slot machine payout on the upper and lower line, the middle is working. So I have now checked out the wiring from the reels to the line unit disc, everything checks out. I have now started to check out the unit disc and the contact plate has a lot of wear, the wipers are not in middle of the contacts, the rotation is off. The actual parts are worn badly. This is most likely the issue.
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Post by: David Walz on June 15, 2023, 09:19:02 AM
After sifting through the unit disc, cleaning each contact, wipers, by hand, then I adjusted the wipers to be on center with the payout disc. So it seems that I straighten out the upper, center, bottom, payout. Its working 100%. All three lines work.
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Post by: David Walz on June 15, 2023, 09:27:03 AM
Hitting 7's produces a light on the top, and lights flashing on the top glass.
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Post by: David Walz on June 15, 2023, 09:29:38 AM
So now I have to see about the reels working correctly.
Update: I went and tested every BAR, BAR5, 7, and I found out that some of them had issues, dirty contacts, the wipers not making contact, adjustments were needed. After I eliminated all of the good contacts, I focused in on those problems. As of now, everything is working.
Diagnostic is when I put all of the BARS in one win line and nothing happens. Then I move the reel back and forth, the hopper starts working, then I know that a contact is being a turd and then eliminate the issue.
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Post by: David Walz on June 16, 2023, 09:38:35 AM
I am replacing the 25¢ Coin Mech slug rejector, seems all of my slot machines the slug rejector needed replacement. They must get the most wear of all. Go figure
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Post by: David Walz on June 17, 2023, 09:07:24 AM
:dancing_party: :dancing_party: :dancing_party: :dancing_party: :dancing_party: A lot of work has been done with the slot machine to ferret out the problems. When I picked it up it was basically a dead machine. I have been able to clean everything, down to each nut and bolt. Restore every part, repair the wiring, install new bulbs, a new power cord, missing parts, several solenoid, it's been a chore. To top off the repairs, I didn't have a proper wiring diagram for this machine, however the diagram I did use was helpful in restoration. The machine number 2131 is original to the Frontier Hotel and Casino, now the keys are stamped, matching the machine.
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Post by: David Walz on June 17, 2023, 09:11:46 AM
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More photos.
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Post by: David Walz on June 18, 2023, 07:29:51 AM
I am actively looking for a cabinet for the slot machine. Just like the other one. I have been running the slot machine without any issues.
Title: Re: 831-4Z Restoration
Post by: David Walz on June 25, 2023, 07:27:43 PM
Working on the cabinet for the slot machine. I would have preferred not to have refinished it, however it was a basket case.
Title: Re: 831-4Z Restoration
Post by: David Walz on June 26, 2023, 08:09:48 AM
Getting more work done on the cabinet, drilled the lock hole, put a backing to prevent spinning. Hinges are coming in USPS, they are something that is black, vintage, really nice. I'm now working on the door, I will have to run electrical 110V power to the cabinet, as usual. I've got the lock ready, rekeyed, it's the same as the machine.
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Title: Re: 831-4Z Restoration
Post by: David Walz on June 26, 2023, 01:46:53 PM
Well! We're zooming. Great paint, it levels out, semi gloss, just a real toned down black finish. I bought one a of the best paints, less issues, better spread, low luster. The door just had it's third coat, the cam lock is inset, and it looks good, I actually like it this way, when you put a plate on the back of the cam lock, the cam lock will not turn,. Bolted down the machine to the cabinet, using pre existing holes. The old ones look really good, I cut a 2" hole for the power cord and a 4" hole for coin drop. Made sure that the coins will not get caught dropping into the coin tray.
FYI: The coin tray I am using is from the salad bars, they are standard size, but the depth is different, and this one is is shallow. I purchased several of them and they are great for different projects.
Title: Re: 831-4Z Restoration
Post by: David Walz on June 26, 2023, 04:56:13 PM
Well, I got the door installed, and touched up the :duh: with the black paint. The striker for the cam lock isn't correct, I will have to manufacture another one just for this application. After 40 years locksmithing, you'd think that I could get it right on the first time, that's what you get when you scrounge around for a strike. :banghead:
Title: Re: 831-4Z Restoration
Post by: David Walz on June 28, 2023, 12:03:01 PM
When you live in Alaska, finding Bally EM is very difficult. So when one pops up you grab it. :drool04:
Title: Re: 831-4Z Restoration
Post by: David Walz on June 28, 2023, 02:21:12 PM
Finally I have sourced the missing parts. :cool_thumb_up:
After my email problem, I switched to a temporary email for KLAR and got the parts ordered.
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Title: Re: 831-4Z Restoration
Post by: David Walz on July 01, 2023, 06:28:11 PM
Just got my parts in the mail. :mail_2:
Title: Re: 831-4Z Restoration
Post by: David Walz on July 01, 2023, 07:58:01 PM
I installed the: in, out, meters, hopper cover and the coin chute. Fact is that I always get people telling me that the hopper cover is difficult to source since the casino's usually throw them out, so finding them is really great. :applause:
So, I'm getting it completed, just waiting on one more meter. The cash box meter. :cheers:
Title: Re: 831-4Z Restoration
Post by: Badbaud on July 01, 2023, 08:16:25 PM
With your OCD you should have it completely restored in a month or less.
I worked for the Elardies for 10 years, first downtown in the Pioneer Club then in Laughlin at the Pioneer hotel and gambling hall. Margaret was a person you did not lock eyes with or talk to. She hated blacks so much when the lightly - dark skinned maintenance worker, who she thought was from Puerto Rico, had his whole family come to the club to see him for a reunion. It became obvious that his black as coal skinned family members were not from Puerto Rico so she fired him the next day.
The same kind of racist attitude popped up when they moved into the Frontier in Las Vegas. She refused to sign the culinary unions labor agreement because it would include some black workers in her establishment. Daily picketing by the union was a normal at the Frontier. This last story came to me second hand by an employee that worked there at the time and had contact with her.
Title: Re: 831-4Z Restoration
Post by: David Walz on July 02, 2023, 05:39:27 AM
With your OCD you should have it completely restored in a month or less.
I worked for the Elardies for 10 years, first downtown in the Pioneer Club then in Laughlin at the Pioneer hotel and gambling hall. Margaret was a person you did not lock eyes with or talk to. She hated blacks so much when the lightly - dark skinned maintenance worker, who she thought was from Puerto Rico, had his whole family come to the club to see him for a reunion. It became obvious that his black as coal skinned family members were not from Puerto Rico so she fired him the next day.
The same kind of racist attitude popped up when they moved into the Frontier in Las Vegas. She refused to sign the culinary unions labor agreement because it would include some black workers in her establishment. Daily picketing by the union was a normal at the Frontier. This last story came to me second hand by an employee that worked there at the time and had contact with her.
That was a different world back then, positive and negative.
Title: Re: 831-4Z Restoration
Post by: David Walz on July 03, 2023, 06:38:43 PM
Got the machine in the house, it's a behemoth thing to move by yourself. :hissyfit:
Now, it's time to get any lasting bugs out of the machine. Basically I need to make sure everything is functioning at 100%. :dancing_party:
Update: July 4th I have been running the machine for awhile, the reels are spinning true, no rubbing, nothing. The payouts are perfect, center, top and bottom line, it's really awesome. I have noted that it gives more payouts on the top line, and I know it's random, especially when I restored the reels, springs, linkage, exactly like before it was disassembled, it's just spick and span now. The hopper is functioning properly, I replaced 25¢ slug reject or and now all of the quarters are accepted. All of the lights work, the handle is smooth.
Jan my wife was playing the slot machine, flawless absolutely flawless. The reels are spin like they are brand new. :clap:
You know that if it wasn't for Wolftalk and the forum these machines would NEVER have been restored. :thank_you: :thank_you:
Title: Re: 831-4Z Restoration
Post by: David Walz on July 06, 2023, 08:43:53 AM
So, the cabinet external hinges are the big issue. Well, I have a problem with the cabinet design that prevents me from installing internal hidden hinges. I ordered another pair of external hinges used for this type of cabinet that are better made, and secure enough to not loosen up from usage.
On external hinges, people think removing the hinges would be one way of getting into the cabinet which is true if no one puts in a interlock when the door closes. Kinda like a safe door having external hinges. I have been fabricating for decades, easy peasy work. Besides this casino theme is the old west, kinda like a strong box type, rugged. And I also have a skeleton key cover for the lock, giving it a old look.
More work to be done....
Title: Re: 831-4Z Restoration
Post by: David Walz on July 08, 2023, 07:58:58 PM
Up here in Alaska we are still having a coin shortage and the banks still are hoarding them. So I have to order them up from a coin collector, a total of five rolls of quarters for now.
Title: Re: 831-4Z Restoration
Post by: David Walz on July 11, 2023, 06:38:51 AM
I think I found a cabinet hinge that will work, it has been very difficult to figure out the correct hinge. The cabinet was made with a cutout making the door sit in a certain way. I know that it can be done, just takes time. :Scratch-Head:
Still working on the problem. :duh:
Title: Re: 831-4Z Restoration
Post by: David Walz on July 15, 2023, 10:33:50 AM
Really great enjoyable slot machines. No doubt it's a whole lot of work.
Title: Re: 831-4Z Restoration
Post by: David Walz on July 27, 2023, 05:44:48 PM
Completed the machine 100%. And if you don't like my slot machine base, well then.... :fryingpan:.
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Title: Re: 831-4Z Restoration
Post by: David Walz on August 20, 2023, 02:48:48 PM
Emily came over to our home with her family for a get together and the slot machine was the hit of the party.