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S+ 61 loop
« on: March 25, 2022, 04:11:01 PM »
Hello everyone,
This is my first slot machine so I am learning. I bought it in AZ at a garage sale. They said it was working when it was put in storage but when they pulled it out it wasn't. It is a 25cent 2 coin slant top Haywire model GC36CI and IMO its in decent shape, I cant find anything missing or broken that would keep it from running.
So I turn on the power switch and the lights light up and the bill validator cycles then a 61 code comes up. At first when I pressed the self test button I would get a dong and a 61-1. Now I get no dong and another 61 and the candle flashes slow on top and fast on the bottom (meaning tilt/door open I think). When I close the door and turn the jackpot key the numbers go blank for about 3 or 4 seconds and the a 0 flashes briefly in the coins played window and a 61 appears and the candle flashes slow on top and the bottom light goes out (meaning tilt/door closed). Since the bottom candle light is going out I would assume the door optics are working.
I read somewere online that if you short the C34 capacitor next to the CMOS chip (powered off of course) you can sometimes get a 61-1, and believe it or not it works everytime I tried it. I would get a 61-1 after pushing the self test button but after closing the door and turning the jackpot key I would get a 61.
I went through everything looking for loose connections or bent pins and such but cant find anyting obvious.
I checked the BVD door switch and it is working fine. I do have a question about it though. The top half of the switch goes to the BVD and the way its wired the circuit is open when the door is closed (normally closed) and the bottom part of the switch the circuit is closed with the door closed (normally open). There are extra terminals on the back of the switch so you can change each half of the switch from open to closed. Is this the way its supposed to be wired? (see picture)
I have read that some people believe that too many people do a clear and set prematurely but I am wondering if that's what I have to do at this point.
My Game Prom is SP873 and the Reel Prom is SS4272 so which clear and set chips would I need?
Also there are no micro switches that I can find on any of the other doors. 
The battery voltage is fine and it appears it was changed at sometime.
I really appreciate any and all help from you guys!
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Re: S+ 61 loop
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2022, 05:31:57 PM »
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It's hard to tell what is going on with the wiring to the cherry switch. You probably need to start tracing those wires. Check the door/cabinet optics to be sure they are connected, no broken wires. IVC123, SET015 should work fine. I can send you chips. I also have SET026 used to set some options with that SP but you should not need that. PM me if you want chips.
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Re: S+ 61 loop
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2022, 06:08:53 PM »
On thing that people forget is that their is a door latch that slides so you can pull the pin to release the bottom door.
It has to slide back in the cover the pin position in order for the top door to fully close
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Re: S+ 61 loop
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2022, 08:39:20 PM »
Thanks slots4home,
I know exactly what you are talking about and the knee door latch is fully closed and the top door is fully latching. Like I said before I don't think the candle light on top would be going out if the door wasn't latching completely.

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Re: S+ 61 loop
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2022, 09:20:33 PM »
Your initial symptoms are consistent with what I have experienced many times with the S+ machine where you get in an infinite code 61 loop after a battery change. The problem is not with the MPU so clearing RAM does not help.  The problem is with the electrically erasable PROM (EE PROM) on the backplane (motherboard). My personal preference for fixing the problem (which has worked every time) is to temporarily or permanently replace the SP chip with one of another game family.  This forces the machine to write over the EE PROM.  Afterwards you can replace the SP (Game) chip with your original or leave in the replacement.  Since you have SP873 you could use SP779, SP934, SP1146, or the newer SP1274.  You will need to reinitialize the bill validator (BV) after doing this so will also need an S+ Set Chip to enable the BV and set the denomination.  So unless you have other compounding issues, this should fix it.

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Re: S+ 61 loop
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2022, 09:28:04 AM »
Thanks rslots,
I will try that first. Do you know where I can get a SP934?

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Re: S+ 61 loop
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2022, 09:54:55 AM »
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Re: S+ 61 loop
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2022, 10:39:01 AM »
PM sent. I can prove the chips needed.

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Re: S+ 61 loop
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2022, 11:06:04 AM »
731 / 1271 are the two most common chips, switching between them also do the trick.

I have however never had a Clear not work.
Depending on which clear you use it either formats to the old or new version.
The major difference between the two formats is the amount of accounting information.

There are actually two cmos chips - one is on the MPU (removeable board) - and the other is on the Motherboard (small fixed board) that the MPU plugs into.
These two chips need to be in sync - part of the integrity of the slot machine - You could have a power outage mid spin, power comes back it continues spinning, ditto with a payout. 1/2 out now, 1/2 out when power restored... etc etc.

When a battery goes low and sits that way for a while one of the cmos chips loses its registers and is no longer in sync with the other one. The way this gets corrected is with a Clear when both are brought back to factory reset. Switching between major series of chips will also re-write these registers.

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Re: S+ 61 loop
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2022, 11:28:18 AM »
I have gotten out of the 61 loop by changing from 731 to 1271.  :me_too:

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Re: S+ 61 loop
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2022, 12:05:00 PM »
Since he is running a type 2 game it is best to use a type 2 SP chip.  731/1271 are type 1.  That way you avoid getting a game type mismatch error. I personally prefer the newer series chips like 1271 (type 1)  and 1274 (type 2) for the 10 MgHz boards.

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Re: S+ 61 loop
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2022, 12:07:19 PM »
If your using the different series of chips to get out of the 61 loop - it really shouldn't matter. Once your out you switch back to the type II worst case is that you get another 61-1 to contend with at least your not stuck.

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Re: S+ 61 loop
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2022, 12:13:50 PM »
What I've noticed over the years is that by swapping the SP GAME prom chips, you don't lose the internal accounting of what was on the machine,
 and it sometimes gets the "stuck" logic data signal "[61] Loop"out of the system.

Using a IVC Clear chip however, is like dropping a nuclear bomb on everything...
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Re: S+ 61 loop
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2022, 12:46:34 PM »
Thanks Stayouttadabunker,
I am going to try swapping game proms first.

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Re: S+ 61 loop
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2022, 12:57:11 PM »
yeah..if you have an older SP chip like an 731 or 873, swap it with something newer like a 1271.
Once you do that, swap it BACK to the original chip you had in it.

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Re: S+ 61 loop
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2022, 03:02:52 PM »
Thanks Stayouttadabunker, you got it.

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Re: S+ 61 loop
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2022, 09:56:22 AM »
Hello everyone,
Once again I want to say thank you to everyone for all the help. The chips I ordered from member RB are arriving today so we will see how it goes. I do have one more question about using the set chip to re-enable the BV. I read the instructions posted on NLG but I don't understand how to program the BV for multi-denomination. My BV takes 1.00, 5.00, 10.00, 20.00, 50.00, and 100.00 but in the instructions it says to choose just one of those.

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Re: S+ 61 loop
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2022, 10:26:47 AM »
The bill validator will accept all the bills that the firmware in it supports.  The set chip simply enables or disables the validator and sets the denomination.  The denomination is set so the machine knows how many credits to give you for the bill it accepts.  If you set the denomination for a quarter and put in a dollar it will give you 4 credits.  If you set it for a nickel and put in a dollar it will give you 20 credits. 

The validator can be set to only accept certain bills by disabling them with through dip switches on the head.  Most home users leave them all enabled.

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Re: S+ 61 loop
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2022, 10:42:17 AM »
Oh, OK. I get it now....So your just setting what the machine plays like pennies or nickels or quarters, and like in my case it takes quarters and takes up to 2 credits?

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Re: S+ 61 loop
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2022, 10:48:08 AM »
That's correct. 

 

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