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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S and S-plus Reel Games => Topic started by: leow on September 27, 2016, 11:45:55 AM
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after i resolve my 12 and 61 loop errors problem, i got new one - 41 :(
but it happens after a few right hand spins (with spin button, all works good)
as in manuals, i did input tests - all right, i switched reels connectors - the same error...
and after another ram clear, it's works again.
did about 100+ button spins - was alright.
but happened again on 7-10 right hand spin.
any ideas?
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You need to determine if it is the #1 reel assembly that is causing the problem, or something else. Swap the #2 reel assembly with the #1 reel assembly and see what happens. If the error moves to #2 position (error 42) then the problem is with the reel assembly you moved from the #1 position. You can also try cleaning the optic sensor on the reel control board. And make sure the spinning reel isn't rubbing against anything, in back and in front, especially with the door closed. Sometimes a loose cable or something else on the inside of the main door will rub the reel when the door is closed.
Here are some other suggestions:
http://www.ohiogaming.com/igterrorcodestroubleshooting.htm (http://www.ohiogaming.com/igterrorcodestroubleshooting.htm)
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Thanks, but i read it before and tried it all.
Helped clear only... :(
But i don't want to do reset 2-3 times per day :D
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Well, another option is to sell the machine to someone that's willing
to put in the necessary work and time to fix it. :garfield:
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not funny... :(
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Did you move the reel assembly 1 & 2 ? As suggested ?? And continue running your system until the error happens again.
Moving reels around won't fix anything......
However !!!!
If the error starts behaving as a 42 you know you have a bad reel assembly or perhaps faulty optics on the reel assembly.
If the error doesn't move then likely an issue with your MPU board.
There are 5 resistors on the corner of your MPU board for reels 1 to 5.
Yes we know that this has only 3 reels but IGT built it so the machine could handle 5.
From time to time these resistors burn out. The cheap fix is to take resistor 4 or 5 and put it at position 1.
Before you do this figure out if it's the reel assembly as suggested.
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Sounds like a loose wire or cold solder joint somewhere...Try activating the arm spin by using the micro switch only if you can...Maybe by pulling the arm it is causing a large vibration and therefor giving you the error 41
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If the error starts behaving as a 42 you know you have a bad reel assembly or perhaps faulty optics on the reel assembly.
I switched connectors from 1 to 2 and anyway error 41.
Also i did "input test" and optics work good on all reels.
... There are 5 resistors on the corner of your MPU board for reels 1 to 5. ...
Right resistors?
(See picture)
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with spin button, all works good
Does it behave the same as Spin Reels with the Play Max button?
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with spin button, all works good
Does it behave the same as Spin Reels with the Play Max button?
I don't know... will try
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i read almost all forum and found working solution...
1 power on
2 wait 41 error on window (don't close the door)
3 press once jackpot reset key (if reels spins slowly, it should to stop)
4 close the door and wait test spin
i alredy got 41 error 2-3 times, and all times with arm
Spin Reels and Play Max buttons works good.
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Check inside by the pull arm mechanism for wires being pinched or rubbed and grounding out.
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What those 5 pack of resistors ( R1, R2, R3, R4, R5) actually do is "hold" the stopped reels in their respective positions.
Those are usually okay but sometimes you can hold the MPU board up to a light source from behind and see which one has "browned" out the circuit board the most....that's usually the culprit chip or IC component that needs changing.
In this picture below I posted, the problem actually turned out to be one of the 16-leg SAA1042V reel chips at the U12 location on a 16Mhz MPU board.
It was horribly overheated and failed long before any of the resistors in the 5-pack.
You can see in the picture that legs 7, 8, 9 & 10 have turned crispy black and melted the leads right into circuit board!
I would visually check out the U1, U2, U10, and U11 IC locations on a 10Mhz MPU board to see if any of the SAA1042V chips are overheated and burned out.
I hope this helps you find the problem for your [41,42,43] error codes and maybe you can get somebody with micro-soldering skills to help you change out an IC component?
If not, our tireless, overworked moderator Darell at Slots4home, usually has a couple of working S+ MPU's laying around for sale.
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Stayouttadabunker, thank you for answer!
I already checked MPU with magnifier to a bad soldering and burned components.
And seems alright.
In particular all 5 motors drivers SAA1042V looks good.
Same looks good R1-R5 resistors...
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Well, it might be time for ya to start picking up some spare parts anyways.
I'd highly recommend getting a few things over time such as an MPU, a motherboard, door optics, etc.
Do you have other game chips you can try on this MPU?
Another machine maybe to test your board out on?
Swapping parts is always one of the fun things to do in this hobby! :)
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Swapping parts is always one of the fun things to do in this hobby! :)
Ahaha lol :D
But i told in other topic - I'm from Ukraine.
And I know just two crazy guys, who has home slots machines at here...
So, too hard to find parts or something else to play with swapping, etc.
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Um, I'm relatively new to this myself but, I can't see how it could be a MPU issue if it only happens with a handle pull and never with the spin buttons?
You didn't answer the post about checking the arm mechanism and micro switch wiring? I'd be looking there first and then follow the two wires back to the MB. If you don't see anything amiss, isolate and patch in a temporary switch at the MB to see if it still tilts.
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off-track, i'll try to use arm switch, when will have a time to access to it.
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Um, I'm relatively new to this myself but, I can't see how it could be a MPU issue if it only happens with a handle pull and never with the spin buttons?
You didn't answer the post about checking the arm mechanism and micro switch wiring? I'd be looking there first and then follow the two wires back to the MB. If you don't see anything amiss, isolate and patch in a temporary switch at the MB to see if it still tilts.
Good point but I think it was just a happenstance that the error [Code 41] occurred during a handle pull as both switches work in conjunction.
However, even with that said, it really doesn't hurt to see if something IS amiss with the handle wiring. ;)
I will note as well that a reel error [Codes 41,42,43] can also happen with a faulty motherboard too though not as frequent as for example...>>>
A). A part of the reel basket rubbing on a door light panel
B). Faulty IC components on an MPU circuit board.
C). Bad or misaligned door & cabinet optics
D). Somebody's knees pressing about 35lbs of force against the front door glass at such a weight induced angle that the belly glass is microscopically close to shattering! Lol I've actually seen this happen as someone was leaning heavily on a loose barstool and wondered why the reels kept tilting? haha
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Actually they do not work in conjunction...They both have individual inpust to the MPU board...However they are both part of IC RP6...Having said that, trying the arm switch without pulling the handle might tell us something-like maybe a cold solder joint that a vibration might cause or if maybe it is something on the MPU board or mother board that might be causing the problem...Maybe posting a video might help also...
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I still have not heard that you have moved the reels mech between position 1 & 2 to see if the error moved.
If the error moves it's something to do with the reel mech. If it doesn't move it's the MPU.
Speculating if vibration causes the issue leads towards a reel mec problem but until you do the above test you are really just poking around in the dark.
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I still have not heard that you have moved the reels mech between position 1 & 2 to see if the error moved.
lol
why i should to move the reels, if i can to switch connectors?
i switched connector from 1st reel to second one and second to first.
was the same, i wrote it in my first post.
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You're correct Dinoman...that's why I agree with checking all the wiring leading up to the pull handle...could be a crossed/shorted wire up in there that could cause mixed signals back to the MPU.
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The door optics should be checked too....use some masking tape on the outside of the door cabinet and door...making marks with a pencil as to the center of each optic ( transmitter optic and receiving optic ) , the marks should line up perfectly with each other when the door latch is in the fully down/locked position of a closed door.
It doesn't take much more misalignment to throw off a reel error code back to the MPU, especially if they're borderline positioned while the reels are spinning.
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Thank you!
Will look to the door optics and all wires...
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Seems i found an issue...
Today i burn a Set chip, and got 41 error after MPU replacement.
Reinstalling MPU solved this error
So, i think issue in connector between MPU and main board.
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Hopefully that was the issue...Vibration of the pull of the handle might have affected the connections...Have fun with it! :applause:
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You might want to take a white eraser and use it to clean the MPU contact strip.
I do concur that you would be wise to nab a shaped MPU or two which would all youto do some swap tonics to help you isolate issues like this.
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Yes, i'll to try to clear all connectors, and hope it will totally solved my problem.