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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => Other Reel Games => Topic started by: shortrackskater on April 03, 2015, 08:30:23 PM
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Yep I got it! I watched it a year on Ebay and decided I better act, before someone else does.
Now I got questions!
I got the back panel open. The aftermarket lock was easy to just twist off! Inside I found this thing... looks like it belongs somewhere on a coin chute I think - see picture 2.
Picture 3 and 4 shows the cash box and back of coin head. I'm not sure if they're original. The box looks old and "tinny," so I think it may be original. The back of the head is only held on by one screw and doesn't fit that flush but maybe that's how they were?
Does anyone (like Jackpot!) know if this had an award plate on it? It doesn't pay on one cherry on the left but does pay when there's two. I haven't played it much yet.
I have no idea how to get the back door off!
And... what is a "delayed pay unit" ??
What year is this? Serial number is 58774
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pics...
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The part in pic 2 does go on the coin chute, attaches just above the coin tube. Your cash box is original. If you remove the screw, carefully, on the back of the coin head... you may see that the other 2 screws were twisted off / broken... At least from your pic that's what I see. To gain access to the back, open the front panel (casting) and on the bottom of the base plate you should see a "locking slide" assembly .... look for a flat piece of metal that sticks up about 3/4" in the very front of the base... pull the locking slide bar forward. You should then, have access to the back "door" ...lift the back door up and off. (there should be a small "lift" tab on the back door.) I don't recall that particular machine having an award card. The future pay or delay pay feature was to get around gambling laws back then. You weren't exactly gambling if you knew that you were going to "win". Also, the Quality Mints feature is another attempt to get around the laws... you aren't gambling... you are buying a roll of mints. That particular machine probably had a side mint vendor attached on the right side of the cabinet. (check for slotted hole in the wood ) The old machines that you have are usually a 2/4 pay. 2 Cherries pay 2 / 2 cherries and Bell/Lemon pay 4. As you read on the front casting... "and..... Premium Checks"..... Originally they were set up to accept nickels.... and dispense "tokens" or (premium checks).... with holes in the token... "Good for 5c in trade". The nickel played would be diverted to the cash box and, if you played the tokens... they would go to the coin / pay tube to be recycled. It's along the same idea of today's arcade.... Play $5 in cash/ quarters and get a bucket full tickets you can trade in for a plastic spider ring !
Have fun with your new toy !
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Thank you for the information. I didn't even notice that the screws were broken off until I zoomed into my own picture! My camera is better than my own eyes.
NOTE ADDED: screws weren't broken, just gunk in holes!
And it seems to pay out perfectly too. It's bringing back some old memories of my grandfathers slot. :propeller:
Unfortunately I don't have the key for the front panel. It looks like an original lock so I'd rather not drill it out if I don't have to.
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Coin cover goes here. I just went thru a very similar mechanism as yours:
(https://newlifegames.com/nlg/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ramegoom.com%2Fjohn%2Fjennings_pace_butterfly_revamp%2Fcoin_cover.jpg&hash=b8e30e1afaae3a1790acc6da521aefbb1ed38ffc)
Most of the Jennings gooseneck mechanisms are similar to yours. I have done two of them so far, got them working perfectly, and now I'm working on a Mills gooseneck where the internals are very similar. I think back in the early 30's every manufacturer copied everyone else.
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I seen there's a similar, if not identical, machine on Phoenix Craigslist. What's the chance?
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Similar...not identical! That one has the round coin window. Mine (like my Grandpa's) had the square coin window. :applause:
I just installed a new lock on the back panel. I still have to figure out how to get the front panel off without killing the lock.
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Just a stab in the dark.....Can you get to the front from the back ?
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That front lock can be picked easily. Those Yale locks were simple 5 tumbler locks. I'm pretty sure that you would need to remove the front casting to access the lever that locks the back into place. But that's a moot point now that the back is not original.
So, if you can remove the mechanism from the case, I would take the empty case to a locksmith, have it picked, then fit a new key to the lock. The tumblers can be removed and matched to an original ODJ key (look for a Jennings - Yale key that fits the lock) and then it'd be about as authentic as you can get.
There are reproduction castings available for the rear castings, both top and bottom. And if you are lucky, you might be able to find a genuine Jennings lock for the bottom casting as well. Original keys always make these machines more valuable.
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I don't think I can remove the mech from back unless I get the big back panel off which I thought I could only do if I get the front panel off, which has the lock with no key!
I did get some screws for the back of the coin head though... the holes looked at first like the screws had broken off in them. It was just gunk!
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Coin cover goes here. I just went thru a very similar mechanism as yours:
Most of the Jennings gooseneck mechanisms are similar to yours. I have done two of them so far, got them working perfectly, and now I'm working on a Mills gooseneck where the internals are very similar. I think back in the early 30's every manufacturer copied everyone else.
What does it do? Cover the coin yes... haha but mine works without it.
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Inside, there is a coin detector pin which passes thru the coin guide. This prevents the handle from being pulled without a valid coin in the mechanism. No doubt, someone tied the lever back with a cable tie or such, which would then give you a "free play" with the machine. However, without the coin tube filled by way of coins-in, should a win occur, there would be no payout. There should also be a "check" detector pin that routes the played coins into the coin tube to be won and replayed, where if it were a nickel, it'd be routed into the coin box. Checks look like a nickel with a hole drilled thru the center.
Kind of more fun with nickels. Especially when you win a match. And it'd be easy to convert back. I always keep a cup full of nickels on the machine for that reason.
You need to haul that machine to the locksmith shop, who will be able to find some of the hidden features.
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Thanks!
Still a little lost on that checks and coins part. It has nickels in it and pays them out fine. I think I'll understand better when I get that front cover off. I do remember my Grandpa had tied a string around to the back. I remember pulling it when I ran out of nickels!
And I'm still not clear what the coin covers purpose is.
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Without the cover, the coin could possibly fly out and drop into the cabinet. The coin cover keeps the coins within the chute that either fills the jackpot, or fills the coin box. Once the coins fill the tube, they route over the filled tube into a chute. That's where the cast brass part plays into the mix.
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That makes sense.
One of the members said this machine had the "delayed pay" system...
I just know noticed (duh) that this little meter gave the numerical win amount. Sometimes two cherries gives two coins and sometimes gives four. The meter seems to work fine.
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That makes sense.
One of the members said this machine had the "delayed pay" system...
I just know noticed (duh) that this little meter gave the numerical win amount. Sometimes two cherries gives two coins and sometimes gives four. The meter seems to work fine.
Delayed pay was a way around the law in some states; delay pay meant just that, you would not get what you won until you played the game one more time. See the win on the reels in your photo, it paid 8 coins but it didn't give them to you yet. To receive them you have to play the machine again, so this was an argument under the law that this was not really gambling. Because you knew what you would win on the next play---8 coins. If there was not a win on the reels the display would read "O", and that is what you would get on the next play "0" even if the reels said you would get paid 2, not until the next play.
Jackpot
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Yep I got it! I watched it a year on Ebay and decided I better act, before someone else does.
Now I got questions!
I got the back panel open. The aftermarket lock was easy to just twist off! Inside I found this thing... looks like it belongs somewhere on a coin chute I think - see picture 2.
Picture 3 and 4 shows the cash box and back of coin head. I'm not sure if they're original. The box looks old and "tinny," so I think it may be original. The back of the head is only held on by one screw and doesn't fit that flush but maybe that's how they were?
Does anyone (like Jackpot!) know if this had an award plate on it? It doesn't pay on one cherry on the left but does pay when there's two. I haven't played it much yet.
I have no idea how to get the back door off!
And... what is a "delayed pay unit" ??
What year is this? Serial number is 58774
Your serial number: 58774 shows your machine was made between 1927 and 1929, you serial number is closer to the 1927 numbers then to the 1929 numbers, so I would guess late 1927 to early 1928. Quote: The box looks old and "tinny," Then I would say it is original. Quote: I found this thing... looks like it belongs somewhere on a coin chute , This is called a splash tube cover and information given below on it is correct. Quote: It doesn't pay on one cherry on the left but does pay when there's two. Then this could be a one cherry pay machine which is most likey right. Not sure about what this machine used for an award card, I will have to look into that.
Jackpot :cool_thumb_up:
Jackpot
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Coin cover goes here. I just went thru a very similar mechanism as yours:
Most of the Jennings gooseneck mechanisms are similar to yours. I have done two of them so far, got them working perfectly, and now I'm working on a Mills gooseneck where the internals are very similar. I think back in the early 30's every manufacturer copied everyone else.
What does it do? Cover the coin yes... haha but mine works without it.
It's a "cover I guess" but it is much more then that, these heads are really two parts, front part and back part, I think screws were missing because someone got a coin stuck and thought they could just pull the cover off. Well you cant, it is not that sample, you have to remove the entire coin head and take several more screws out before it will come apart in half.
Jackpot
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Thanks everyone again and thanks jackpot for the itemized answers as well.
With regard to the payouts, the machine does pay at the time of the "win." When it hit the two oranges and bar, the meter went to 8 and the 8 coins came out, no delay. :Scratch-Head:
Hopefully today I'll be taking it to a local locksmith to get s key for the front lock.
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Thanks everyone again and thanks jackpot for the itemized answers as well.
With regard to the payouts, the machine does pay at the time of the "win." When it hit the two oranges and bar, the meter went to 8 and the 8 coins came out, no delay. :Scratch-Head:
Hopefully today I'll be taking it to a local locksmith to get s key for the front lock.
OK....., no delay on payout, then your missing a small flat arm some hardware and a thin plate that fits under the cabinet base plate, and slides into the paycup casting to close it off, which holds the coins trying to go to the payout cup from the win to delay it, from dropping into the cup, the next play releases this arm, pulls back the slide, and allows the coins that dropped from the last win, to fall into the cup. This is a common missing assembly, and very hard to find, easy to install, but you have to find this missing assembly first. Later in life this future was not needed so the delay Assembly's were removed and dumped in the garbage. I think I have see two or three Assembly's for sale in the many years that I have been watching ebay. I might have this set, but I might of sold it also, I am just not sure. Look under you cabinet base plate inside the machine and you will maybe be able to see something is missing that would be attached under this plate and try to see a slot in the back of the payout cup at the top, just before the cup attaches into the base plate. If your missing this assembly and want me to see if I have it or look for this stuff, maybe take a photo of the area under that base plate or say above where the coin box sits but to the left and let me know. Your Yale lock might be easy to pick as some one told you, but if the locksmith has trouble with it, tell him this early Yale lock could have one or two mushroom pin tumblers in the lock, this makes it a very hard lock to pick, I know, I had one and you need to to pick it in a totally different way. It took me days but I did beat it.
Jackpot :thank_you:
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That would be nice to get the delay pay working at some point. :thank_you:
I called a locksmith that, over the phone, the rep said they could pick it and make a key. I thought it would be worth the $20 service call. NOPE! Stupid idiot young guy... didn't even drive any kind of car/van that signified "locksmith." He fussed with some picking tools and couldn't get it open.
I found what seems to be a reputable place nearby and I'm going to bring the slot in on Friday.
In the meantime, I carefully picked away some REALLY OLD newspaper behind the middle glass. I can see the top of the lock, but I have no idea if I can do anything from this area.
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When this lock gets opened could there be old coins inside that area? Not to be untrusting but if so you might want to be there while the locksmith opens it.
[that paper you found shown in photo #2 looks kinda like an old Canadian $10,000 bill] :wave:
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That's why the first shop, before I tried the mobile moron, lost my business since they said I couldn't watch!
Yes I absolutely will be present :yes:
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That's why the first shop, before I tried the mobile moron, lost my business since they said I couldn't watch!
Yes I absolutely will be present :yes:
Probably didn't want you to see their tricks of the trade, or how easy it actually is with the right tools & experience.
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You could just tell them you want to be present before it is opened, right after they get the lock to turn by picking it. I think they just don't want you to see how screwed up they are while picking it, trying to pick it. If that Yale lock has told stool or mushroom pins mixed in with the regular pins, you could be waiting a very long time.
Jackpot :drool04: :drool04: :drool04:
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That's why the first shop, before I tried the mobile moron, lost my business since they said I couldn't watch!
Yes I absolutely will be present :yes:
Did that mobile guy still charge the housecall fee after he couldn't open it?
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Yes he wanted the money. I think this entire company is a scam. I'll look it up and post the name later, to warn anyone else!
BUT... back to the matter at hand. No one commented on my reply #20. Does anyone know if I can do anything with the lock at that point? I posted pictures.
http://quicklocksmith247.com (http://quicklocksmith247.com)
NEVER use this company. SCAM. "Locksmiths" drive a CAR, NO tools but just a set of pick tools. I was expecting a VAN with locksmith stuff in it.
They're probably BURGLARS (or terrorists in training since he spoke Arabic on his cell phone the entire time) freelancing day jobs.
FRUSTRATING AS HELL.
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Yes he wanted the money. I think this entire company is a scam. I'll look it up and post the name later, to warn anyone else!
BUT... back to the matter at hand. No one commented on my reply #20. Does anyone know if I can do anything with the lock at that point? I posted pictures.
[url]http://quicklocksmith247.com[/url] ([url]http://quicklocksmith247.com[/url])
NEVER use this company. SCAM. "Locksmiths" drive a CAR, NO tools but just a set of pick tools. I was expecting a VAN with locksmith stuff in it.
They're probably BURGLARS (or terrorists in training since he spoke Arabic on his cell phone the entire time) freelancing day jobs.
FRUSTRATING AS HELL.
If you can't take it to a locksmith, then I wonder if you can break the lock by trying to pry the lock cylinder off or forward from the locks back, maybe by prying in that slot you see in your photo. Of course this would ruin the lock and you would have to look on ebay for an original lock or use an aftermarket lock.
Jackpot
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I have seen old slot key for sale before. Are there any makings / numbers on the face of the lock where you put the key into?
If so that number will help you in locating the correct key.
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Not really, just an old Yale lock from a slot machine and key will fit, the old original Yale locks have a longer cylinder then the reproduction locks, they may work OK but the key hole will be more recessed into the lock hole. A good old Yale lock might cost you around 60 bucks on ebay on average. if you decide to go that route you could send me the auction number and I'll be happy to take a look at it to see if I think it will work OK on your machine. Do you have any locksmith store fronts in your area that you could take you machine in to have them try to pick your lock?
Jackpot
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Thanks again everyone ...
I did find another local locksmith and I'm hoping to bring it to him this Monday. He spoke English too! And he's fine with me being there.
Ill post back Monday. Hope to get into this and get it running smoothly. I think it needs some oil or something. Occasional one reel doesn't lock on to the stop line. And it would be cool to get that delay working too. Heck... I need some fake mints for the front! :rotfl:
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Thanks again everyone ...
I did find another local locksmith and I'm hoping to bring it to him this Monday. He spoke English too! And he's fine with me being there.
Ill post back Monday. Hope to get into this and get it running smoothly. I think it needs some oil or something. Occasional one reel doesn't lock on to the stop line. And it would be cool to get that delay working too. Heck... I need some fake mints for the front! :rotfl:
Great! I have the fake mints also so let us know how Monday works out for you. You might tell the guy that this look could have a spool pin or tow in it, I remembered the proper name for that special pin some Yale looks use.
Jackpot :wave:
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I finally found a real locksmith, but he's tied up with a big job right now...so I wait.
In the meantime, I just noticed something that I can't believe I didn't notice before. My grandpas slot has a metal lower front. Mine is wood!
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Your family machine looks like it might be a cross between the "Dutch Boy" and the Mints of Quality. Appears to have the Dutch Boy lower front panel.
Many of the Jennings machines shared the same dimensions and even with the revamps, most parts were interchangeable. Even the gooseneck internals were interchangeable.
My guess is your original family machine was a hybrid.
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:thank_you:
Interesting to know!!
I sure wish I knew where my grandpa's machine ended up. Last seen was in Washington, somewhere. My cousin had a little substance issue so I have feeling it was probably traded for something smoked, snorted or drank!
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Keep an eye out for your machine. It probably wound up in a collector's den, and eventually will surface.
You realize that these machines multiply. One is never enough, once you start with them. And you have officially started.
Ask anyone here on the forum about their "addiction".
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The Jennings was slot number...17!!
The addiction started a while back. :drool04: I didn't count my Mills vest pockets yet. 3 that work, and a few more in various parts. If all goes well I'm selling a Game Maker and my loved/hated EVO soon. :applause:
It's been probably 30 years since that blurry picture was taken though. I'm okay in not finding it, now that I have something nearly identical. I think my grandpa and uncle would be happy.
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The Jennings was slot number...17!!
The addiction started a while back. :drool04: I didn't count my Mills vest pockets yet. 3 that work, and a few more in various parts. If all goes well I'm selling a Game Maker and my loved/hated EVO soon. :applause:
It's been probably 30 years since that blurry picture was taken though. I'm okay in not finding it, now that I have something nearly identical. I think my grandpa and uncle would be happy.
I live in Washington, I wish I could track it down for you, any idea of where in Washington it could have gone to?
Jackpot
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Hi jackpot
She appears to be in the Tacoma area, but I have no idea where she was when the slot "went missing." She's been in that area for many years though.
I remember asking my sister about her around ten years ago and that's when I found out that the slot had mysteriously disappeared. And THAT blurry picture is the only record of it that I know of.
I would play that machine for HOURS in my grandpas "rumpus room" in Pasadena when I was around 7 years old. Too bad my parents or grandparents never took a picture of me then!! Loved them all but they were all smoking and drinking in the house probably!
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Good to know, like you, I bet it is long gone but if someone has it and they run it in Craigs list or something I might see it, If I ever do, I'll be right there to let you know.
Thanks
Jackpot :cool_thumb_up:
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Good to know, like you, I bet it is long gone but if someone has it and they run it in Craigs list or something I might see it, If I ever do, I'll be right there to let you know.
Thanks
Jackpot :cool_thumb_up:
Thanks!
It would be funny if it shows up here... from a member, who bought it long ago, in an alley... :rotfl:
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If I remember correctly,
There were several Slot Machine makers in the Teens, 20's, 30's etc.
There were no Patents on the Machines or parts. I have a Mills $.25 Black Cherry with a Buckley Escalator, not Mills.
Many parts will fit in several different brands.
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Well three years and two months later... UPDATE
I've been in touch with a great man "Monti," from COINOPCOLLECTOR forum. I'd been working on a Mills Black Cherry I bought recently and completed it. Then I turned my attention back to this Jennings.
He recommended I an entry level lock picking kit, which I bought. I sat at Starbucks yesterday and fiddled around with it. It came with a cool clear lock to practice with. I found a website with some short videos showing the action of the basic lock. A few minutes later I was using different picks to open the clear lock. Apparently I found the right one. I inserted my torsion wrench and the pick, found the binding pin which moved the wrench a little. Then I just rubbed over the rest of the pins and the thing opened.
I finished my coffee, took my knowledge home and grabbed a "Master" padlock. I had that open in about three minutes.
So I went to my Jennings slot machine, inserted the torsion wrench and a pick. To my surprise - CLICK! I got it opened in about 40 seconds.
FINALLY I got the front panel off!
First I noticed a lot of nickels. So far, all have been ones I inserted. The machine still works but the side chute is jammed and they're all just falling inside the machine.
Then I noticed two very nice original labels. One large on on the back panel which I slid off after unlatching it (from the front). The other, smaller one was on the inside of the cabinet.
Next I noticed a "check" that appears to have been used as a washer under a thumb screw.
I'm not exactly sure how to remove the mechanism. It doesn't lift and slide out like my Mills. It was getting late anyway last night.
The lock was made by Corbin. It looks old but I'm not sure if that's an original lock or not. I already had a replacement so it's on now. I don't think Corbin locks are all that expensive. If it is original I might have it rebuilt by Dave - the slot machine spring man.
There's more nickels under the mechanism, so I'm hoping I'll "hit the jackpot" and find an old one. I'll post back again, in less than three years. :Tongue_Out:
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More pictures...
Stuffed inside to cushion the front glass was some old newspaper, apparently put there around 1947 or so!
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I got the mechanism out. There were two screws in the coin head. I was wondering why that long plate was there on top... now it make much more sense.
Cleaned out all the fallen nickels. Most were the ones I put in but I did find a nice shiny "new" 1957 Jefferson nickel and a few others from the 50's. They came from the bottom so I'd say they've been there since then!
I looked at every nickel from the machine and there were probably 50 or more from 1964. So, at some point in time somebody must have had a roll and just played them into the machine.
I re-attached the coin cover (found laying in the back, by the cash box when I bought the machine) to the coin chute. Oddly enough I found two perfect brass standard screws in my miscellaneous screws box in my garage. :applause:
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Shortstacker; your getting good with these old guys! Also, I see you learning how to pick locks, it is fun and the more you practices, the better you get, just go lightly on the tension bar so you can feel it.
Jackpot
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Post where you got the lock pick - that clear practice lock sounded pretty cool.
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I used a company that was refereed to me by Monti (of Monti's slots). It, of course, came out of China so it took awhile - but I just found a zillion of the same things on eBay and a few are shipped out of the USA for the same price. It's basically a 16pc beginner set with the clear lock. The quality seems decent for the price. I don't have my clear lock here now so I've added a picture off Ebay.
Now, last night I had more trouble getting the Master back open! I thought I was using the same pick but had a hell of a time finding the first "binding pin." I was at at for at least 15 minutes. Finally I used a pick that looks like it has a mini snowman and, once I found the first binding pin, I got it open. Then I went to bed.
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The one i use the most and almost always is the second
One on the left. If it isn’t working for me i keep a tad of tenshion On it and reach for another.
Jackpot
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It definitely takes good "feeling skills" to do this. I was better off just closing my eyes to finally get the master lock open again. There's really no need to see.
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Hmmm... is lock picking THIS easy? I've done 5 different locks now including a fancy Illinois Lock Co lock that is "Duo wafer something." It had pins on both top and bottom but after seeing placement of the torsion wrench on a video, I got mine opened in just under three minutes! One of the others took about 4 to 5 minutes.
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Hey mark, I know this is a old post, Do you still have the mints of quality slot, if so im looking for a picture of the inside of the front door, mines missing mint roll holders and I would like to see what I need , thanks
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Sure do. In fact, I just recently got the fake mints to put in it. And just last year I got the missing parts for the delay pay mechanism too. I'm on my way home soon and I'll shoot a couple pictures for you.
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I'm posting a picture of some checks that I have for my mills blue bell for those that haven't seen them before.
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Here you go...
When I finally picked the front lock, I discovered a check was used as a washer! I just left it.
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Thank you!! Also just noticed they used a check for a washer too
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I believe the reason most of the Antique Slot Machines Mech. look similar is because there were never any Patients allowed?
Jennings can vary compared to Mills on the outside but the inside can be similar with the exception of the Chain Link Mech.
This doesn't represent Union or Management.